NCL Smoking Ban

Isn't the cigar lounge pretty small tho? And seems I saw somewhere that cigars only were permitted there.

I was going to mention that too but didn't want to start a different argument (cigarettes vs cigars). I do hope that it is only for cigars though.

I also do not understand what many have complained about with the lingering smell of smoke in areas around the casino. I just don't understand how they would design a ship like this and not have a state of the art smoke removal system. I'm not saying it's not true but i am curious to see for myself (the end of August :D) if it's really that bad or it's some people just more sensitive to it than others. The last ship i was on had a very small cigar lounge, I sat in there with a book to have a cigar and there was maybe 5 or 6 others smoking at the time. You could see the smoke rising from the cigar right into the smoke eaters. If you walked into the room blindfolded I'd be willing to bet that most people would not have even known they were in a cigar lounge. If they could do that with cigar smoke I'd like to think they can do it with cigarettes.

I was going to mention that too but didn't want to start a different argument (cigarettes vs cigars). I do hope that it is only for cigars though.

On the Dawn, in January, the cigar lounge was essentially unusable due o the amount of cigarette smoke.

No problem...Its real easy to be an active slot player without losing much more then 10 cents on a penny slot when smoking

I'm not sure that's how it's gonna pan out that only active players can smoke. I gamble every day the casino is open so that would not effect me. But what would effect me is if they make most of it non smoking. If the machines I like are in a smoking section and I can get to play it I'm good to go. What I'm worried about is there will be someone sitting at a machine and playing a penny at a time just to smoke and really have no interest in playing.

I'm not sure that's how it's gonna pan out that only active players can smoke. I gamble every day the casino is open so that would not effect me. But what would effect me is if they make most of it non smoking. If the machines I like are in a smoking section and I can get to play it I'm good to go. What I'm worried about is there will be someone sitting at a machine and playing a penny at a time just to smoke and really have no interest in playing.

Probably...But not likely. Most smokers I know like to gamble.

I heard that these changes are most likely to be industry wide due to updated regulations that would require ships to refit smoke detector and fire suppression systems, as well as other enclosure modifications onto all balconies in order to comply, or simply introduce a no smoking policy on all balconies. Certainly the case of burning cigarettes being sucked back into the ships ventilation system is a good example of the dangers. I was told by my cousin who does marine engineering work, that a lot of this stems from the fire on the Star Princess and the subsequent analysis, investigation and their conclusions. I do not understand why it would take more than 8 years to implement a change in regulations; though I suppose everything in large industry and the bureaucracy moves rather slowly.:rolleyes:

It came from my nicotine patch that I left on the hard surface...Are you really that naive or just a troll wanting to start trouble?

No, just responding to the comment that it was not detectable. Most likely they would not, but if an issue did arise they could. Not much of an expense either.

A friend of mine manages a large hotel. When it comes down to a debate about a violation of their smoking policy that is exactly what they do. Nicotine will get deposited on the surfaces. Vertical or horizontal. Hard to leave your nicotine patch on the mirror on the wall. Biggest issue with using e-cigs inside a cabin is physical transfer of nicotine, since it is absorbed via skin contact.

I don't have an issue with e-cigs used outside, but inside there are issues with Nicotine and nm sized particles, even in well ventilated space. Does not take many to get the nm particle level into the unhealthy level.

e-cigs are substantially better than regular cigarettes, but still impact those around the user inside.

Just curious, how would the steward know? I have a friend who uses one in her tiny mini cooper & I never smell anything when we ride together. Please understand, I'm not challenging you, I am truly curios.

Thanks

The one on my carnival cruise never had a clue so I am guessing the steward on an NCL ship also wouldn't have a clue

Just off the Breakaway... my hubby is a cigar smoker. There is a cigar lounge on Deck 8 with outdoor seating, as well for smokers with a bar. Also in Spice H2O, in the back by the bar there is a designated smoking area. BTW, I do not smoke and the Casino was not a smoke cloud!

Glad to hear that. Didn't know it had an outdoor section. I am very mindful of the people around me when i have the occasional cigar and even in a smoking section sometimes I will not do it but I'd much rather be out on deck than cooped up in the lounge. Would you happen to know if it was open late at night (the outdoor bar part)?

No, just responding to the comment that it was not detectable. Most likely they would not, but if an issue did arise they could. Not much of an expense either.

 

A friend of mine manages a large hotel. When it comes down to a debate about a violation of their smoking policy that is exactly what they do. Nicotine will get deposited on the surfaces. Vertical or horizontal. Hard to leave your nicotine patch on the mirror on the wall. Biggest issue with using e-cigs inside a cabin is physical transfer of nicotine, since it is absorbed via skin contact.

 

I don't have an issue with e-cigs used outside, but inside there are issues with Nicotine and nm sized particles, even in well ventilated space. Does not take many to get the nm particle level into the unhealthy level.

 

e-cigs are substantially better than regular cigarettes, but still impact those around the user inside.

Yep...Too bad nicotine is no more harmful then caffeine. Also I fill my tank daily...I could spill liquid nicotine on said hard surfaces and guess what...that isn't against the rules. And no its not hard to leave a nicotine patch on the wall they are adhesive you know ROFL :)

Just curious, how would the steward know? I have a friend who uses one in her tiny mini cooper & I never smell anything when we ride together. Please understand, I'm not challenging you, I am truly curios.

Thanks

 

Edit: I didn't read far enough, so I see people are already discussing this, sorry for the interruption...carry on

Just curious - did your friend's have nicotine in it? I would think if it contains nicotine, it would leave a trace, no?

Just curious - did your friend's have nicotine in it? I would think if it contains nicotine, it would leave a trace, no?

Yes it does have nicotine, but there is no smell at all, & the vapor doesn't hang in the air like cig. smoke does

Yes it does have nicotine, but there is no smell at all, & the vapor doesn't hang in the air like cig. smoke does

That's interesting. I thought that since there was nicotine, it would leave residue. Pretty cool that it doesn't.

Yep...Too bad nicotine is no more harmful then caffeine. Also I fill my tank daily...I could spill liquid nicotine on said hard surfaces and guess what...that isn't against the rules. And no its not hard to leave a nicotine patch on the wall they are adhesive you know ROFL :)

I hope your actual handling of the liquid is far more careful than your attitude in posting about nicotine.

The number of calls to poison control centers for nicotine poisoning from e-cigarettes has risen dramatically in recent years, U.S. health officials reported Thursday.

Calls related to poisoning from the liquid nicotine used in these devices were running at a rate of roughly one a month in 2010, but jumped to 215 in February of this year, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Even more troubling, more than half (51 percent) of the poison calls involved children aged 5 and younger, while 42 percent involved people aged 20 and older.

And this was only from poison control reports.

That's interesting. I thought that since there was nicotine, it would leave residue. Pretty cool that it doesn't.

Well to be clear, I'm not sure if we are using "smell" & "residue" to mean the same thing. I can personally say there is no smell at all, and when I say tiny mini cooper, I feel like we are sharing one seat, LOL. However, I don't know if you mean some traces of nicotine that can be swabbed like CSI, LOL. My only experience is that nothing is damp or sticky, and remember I'm sitting really close, and her car never smells

Well to be clear, I'm not sure if we are using "smell" & "residue" to mean the same thing. I can personally say there is no smell at all, and when I say tiny mini cooper, I feel like we are sharing one seat, LOL. However, I don't know if you mean some traces of nicotine that can be swabbed like CSI, LOL. My only experience is that nothing is damp or sticky, and remember I'm sitting really close, and her car never smells

No, no - not CSI LOL Just in general. If you walk into a smoker's home - one where they actually smoke inside, other than the smell, you can actually see the residue sometimes. That's what I meant. My brother was looking into an e-cig to help him quit smoking. I just thought they were water ... and used more for the feel of having a cigarette in your hand w/out actually smoking. I didn't know they contained nicotine until a few days ago.

That's interesting. I thought that since there was nicotine, it would leave residue. Pretty cool that it doesn't.

nicotine does not have an odor. However, it is still present in the air along with nm particulates and the nicotine will leave a residue on surfaces when used in an indoor space and will also be inhaled by people in the surrounding area when it is being used. The amount is dependent upon the concentration of the liquid and the number of people vaping in the area.

The following is a recent study measuring actual impact on air quality.

Use of electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) impairs indoor air quality and increases FeNO levels of e-cigarette consumers

Wolfgang Schobera, Corresponding author contact information, E-mail the corresponding author, Katalin Szendreia, Wolfgang Matzena, Helga Osiander-Fuchsb, Dieter Heitmannc, Thomas Schettgend, Rudolf A. Jörrese, Hermann Frommea

Despite the recent popularity of e-cigarettes, to date only limited data is available on their safety for both users and secondhand smokers. The present study reports a comprehensive inner and outer exposure assessment of e-cigarette emissions in terms of particulate matter (PM), particle number concentrations (PNC), volatile organic compounds (VOC), polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH), carbonyls, and metals. In six vaping sessions nine volunteers consumed e-cigarettes with and without nicotine in a thoroughly ventilated room for two hours. We analyzed the levels of e-cigarette pollutants in indoor air and monitored effects on FeNO release and urinary metabolite profile of the subjects. For comparison, the components of the e-cigarette solutions (liquids) were additionally analyzed.

During the vaping sessions substantial amounts of 1,2-propanediol, glycerine and nicotine were found in the gas-phase, as well as high concentrations of PM2.5 (mean 197 μg/m3). The concentration of putative carcinogenic PAH in indoor air increased by 20% to 147 ng/m3, and aluminum showed a 2.4-fold increase. PNC ranged from 48,620 to 88,386 particles/cm3 (median), with peaks at diameters 24–36 nm. FeNO increased in 7 of 9 individuals. The nicotine content of the liquids varied and was 1.2-fold higher than claimed by the manufacturer.

Our data confirm that e-cigarettes are not emission-free and their pollutants could be of health concern for users and secondhand smokers. In particular, ultrafine particles formed from supersaturated 1,2-propanediol vapor can be deposited in the lung, and aerosolized nicotine seems capable of increasing the release of the inflammatory signaling molecule NO upon inhalation. In view of consumer safety, e-cigarettes and nicotine liquids should be officially regulated and labeled with appropriate warnings of potential health effects, particularly of toxicity risk in children.

In the long run, doesn't really matter what is said here.

NCL will make their decision/announcement. People can choose to go or not go on a cruise. Some choose to go to the casino to gamble and smoke. Others choose not to go there.

Too bad there is some nastiness here when most NCL threads are really very friendly and little personal attacks.

So...tomorrow we'll know the new rules...whatever they are.

Our data confirm that e-cigarettes are not emission-free and their pollutants could be of health concern for users and secondhand smokers. In particular, ultrafine particles formed from supersaturated 1,2-propanediol vapor can be deposited in the lung, and aerosolized nicotine seems capable of increasing the release of the inflammatory signaling molecule NO upon inhalation. In view of consumer safety, e-cigarettes and nicotine liquids should be officially regulated and labeled with appropriate warnings of potential health effects, particularly of toxicity risk in children.

I figured as much since they are pretty much banned anywhere that smoking is banned. They may even be worse than smoking a cigarette.

No, no - not CSI LOL Just in general. If you walk into a smoker's home - one where they actually smoke inside, other than the smell, you can actually see the residue sometimes. That's what I meant. My brother was looking into an e-cig to help him quit smoking. I just thought they were water ... and used more for the feel of having a cigarette in your hand w/out actually smoking. I didn't know they contained nicotine until a few days ago.

That residue is not from nicotine it is from the smoke...You have the same type of residue if you have a fireplace or wood burning stove in your home

All the nastiness aside, one of my guilty pleasures during a cruise is to wake up early grab a cup of coffee and have a smoke on the balcony watching the sun rise.

Balconies are now not worth the money.

I figured as much since they are pretty much banned anywhere that smoking is banned. They may even be worse than smoking a cigarette.

No they arent, and not by a long shot for the vaper or the bystanders

NCL has just granted me another reason to quit.

All the nastiness aside, one of my guilty pleasures during a cruise is to wake up early grab a cup of coffee and have a smoke on the balcony watching the sun rise.

 

Balconies are now not worth the money.

Just spring for an interior as you will now hardly ever be in your room

I guarantee you that Mr Sheehan and many other people and consultants have thought this through and have been doing so for quite a while now.

Absolutely.

It's true! Just call NCL and they will confirm no smoking starts November 1st.

You are indeed correct. I just called and they confirmed both the policy and the news release date being tomorrow