Smoking in cabins

[CtheW0rld]

The past tense of smell is smelled, not smelt.

 

 

even though we're not supposed to be discussing grammer/speeling, actually smelt is a past tense of smell:

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/smelt

 

smelt3

vb a past tense and past participle of smell

[CtheW0rld]

The official report never mentions the speculation of a teen starting the fire:

 

From Page 47: "The fire started on the balconies in the vicinity of staterooms C316 and C318, on deck 10, and was probably ignited by a cigarette end discarded elsewhere."

 

http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Star%20Princess.pdf

 

and it couldn't say that it was a cigarette for certain, either. we'll never know.

 

there's been more engine room fires resulting in sinkings, would you advocate removing the engines?

[dmwnc1959]

and it couldn't say that it was a cigarette for certain, either. we'll never know.

 

there's been more engine room fires resulting in sinkings, would you advocate removing the engines?

 

Yet the OFFICIAL report (not a Wikipedia entry by an anonymous source) never gave a single other reason, possibility, or probable cause of how the fire got started. NONE. Zero. Zip. Nada. Not a lightning strike, electrical outlet spark, faulty wiring, flaming fireball from the skies, spontaneous combustion, unattended iron, appliance, or over used extension cord. Nothing. Sure, the word 'probably' was used in reference to the discarded end of a CIGARETTE, but the fact that NO other cause or reason was given narrows it down substantially, i.e. 99%.

[Kini12]

It's also a simple past tense of "smell" to many English speakers from various parts of the world, including the U.K.

 

Thanks for weighing in on behalf of the ugly American contingent.

Thanks for your very kind enlightment. Oh, and have a nice day.

[cruisin'girl]

Most smokers will tell you it is now almost impossible to keep a cigarette lit even when you are smoking it, much less if you lay it down. Most tobacco companies changed the manufacturing method and paper used several years ago and they burn out on their own if you don't puff on it constantly.

[IRL_Joanie]

Most smokers will tell you it is now almost impossible to keep a cigarette lit even when you are smoking it' date=' much less if you lay it down. Most tobacco companies changed the manufacturing method and paper used several years ago and they burn out on their own if you don't puff on it constantly.[/quote']

I do have a slight correction for you, it is no longer MOST Companies, but ALL!! It is a US Federal Law now that cigarettes that are not "puffed" on for at maximum of 2 minutes MUST in some way be extinguishable on their own.

 

Not sure how it is done, but sure can be frustrating when you are trying to type something like this reply and your blasted cigarette goes out on you.

 

Joanie

[james90210]

The past tense of smell is smelled, not smelt.

 

 

It is one thing for my original question to get taken over by some against smoking.

Picking at grammar is something else.

I know I am new to the boards, but i really do feel its unnecessary and rude for some to pick at others grammar etc.

Especially when I used the correct word in the correct context...

Thank you to the poster who posted the defintion of smelt...

[dockrocker]

Thanks for your very kind enlightment [sic]. Oh, and have a nice day.

 

Karma has a way of working out, doesn't it? :)

[dockrocker]

The past tense of smell is smelled, not smelt.

 

Both are simple past tenses of smell. The former is preferred in North America. We shouldn't have to tell a Canadian that North America is not the entire world, nor inform him or her that the English language did not originate in Canada.

 

Do you also "correct" people from the U.K. who say "burnt" and "dreamt"?

[chrispb]

the cause of the princess fire was never solved. it was also speculated that an irate teen started the fire on purpose.

 

as for wiki - the content is user-created. i could go out there right now and change it.

Now that's a good idea:cool: I think we're all a bit fed up with the same Princess fire that keeps being harped on about. I'm surprised that any of us smokers still have houses standing!

[vbmom87]

This is exhausting, isn't it? I just want to CRUISE. I just want to have fun. Will it be okay if I puff on an occasional cigarette on my balcony? I'll do my best to make sure there is no one downwind who will suffer the consequences. I will never smoke in undesignated areas. I'll try and follow all the rules. I'll try not to complain too much and try to dress appropriately for the dress code. I'll try not to wear too much perfume or be too loud or butt in line or complain too loudly (I doubt I'll be complaining). I just really want to have a fun, relaxing time, which I what I'm paying for. Will do my best not to interfere with your right to have the same. :)

 

I am sure we can both have a great time on our respective cruises. I have been on two cruises so far and was concerned about smokers but it was a non issue on both cruises. I happen to have asthma that is triggered by smoke and other odors. Not a fun way to have to live, let me tell you. Once the car rental triggered my asthma and really put a damper on the rest of our vacation. The car wreaked of some kind of cleaning solution that triggered my allergies and asthma within 20 minutes or less.

 

On cruises I just stay alert and if I am on the promenade and see a smoker, we quickly walk away. Only once on our last cruise to Alaska did we have to leave a lounge because of the smoke. They were smoking in a designated area but it happened to trail and I had to leave. I was okay with that. They had right to be there, so we just left and found another place to hang out. We don't book balconies, so no issue there for me. The only time I can think of that I would be bothered would be if the smoke from the next cabin made its way into mine through the duct work. That would not be a good thing for my asthma and would be very difficult to escape from at night.

 

I have had several very close people to me who were smokers and I understand how difficult it is to stop. I think if we are all just considerate of each other on cruises, we can all have a great time. You sound very considerate. I am sure you will have a great time.

[suek113]

I don't smoke and have some breathing problems being around too much smoke. That said, I have no problem with people smoking in open areas and inside the cabins they have paid to use. We are all on vacation and why is my comfort more important then anyone elses on the ship. So I do my best to be decent to those who smoke and 99% of the time they do the same. Vacation should be about fun, lets all try and have some!

[silverado44]

Both are simple past tenses of smell. The former is preferred in North America. We shouldn't have to tell a Canadian that North America is not the entire world, nor inform him or her that the English language did not originate in Canada.

 

Do you also "correct" people from the U.K. who say "burnt" and "dreamt"?

 

Yes

[james90210]

Yes

 

Well I am from England and I speak English. You have been shown that you are wrong about the word smelt. no humility at all. annoys me really.

Yea I know its only a forum. but i always try to be respectful of others, and can be frustrating when not all same.

[dirtgirl]

Well, here's one Vancouverite that grew up with smelt, burnt, dreamt, favour, doughnut, etc, so don't despair.;)

 

I also know what a chesterfield, runners, and toques are. I sometimes do have to translate.

 

I don't say 'aboot' or 'eh', though.:p

[jkrislc]

Just to chime in on the Star Princess fire. After the Splendor fire, I did a lot of research on cruise ship fires and was actually quite amazed at how many ships I had previously sailed on that had a history of catching fire and even sinking (although the cruise line official says that its ship never sank). From what I've read, the Star Princess fire was most likely attributed to a cigarette, but was also the result of a number of other things including the lack of sprinklers on the balconies, lack of smoke/heat detectors on the balconies, the "birthday cake" design of the balconies where lower balconies extend out further than upper balconies, potentially flammable balcony furniture, etc. Of course, all of this is speculation based on the news accounts I've read, and there's no way to no after the fact. However, keep in mind that the ship was seriously damaged and that a passenger last his life, which is the bigger issue.

 

Personally, I'm a non-smoker and could careless if smoking was allowed on the balcony or not, although it makes more sense to me for it to be allowed on the balcony than in the cabin. However, I don't think fire is a big concern of mine given that Disney launches fireworks from their ships and simply requests that you not keep you balcony door open and that your remove all personal articles from the balcony during the display. Thus, I think the whole flammability on balconies has been addressed.

[CalGal777]

Just returned from sailing on the Zaandam RT San Diego-Hawaii. Smoking was allowed in cabin,on balcony, In the Crow's Nest in an area behind the bar. In the casino and the casino bar. on the starboard side of aft Lido pool deck(lots of table and chairs for smokers) Also saw ashtrays affixed to railings on starboard side.

[startwin]

And I`m a Brit-Canadian and can also attest that `smelt`` `burnt` and `dreampt` are all perfectly correct as well as `smelled``burned`and `dreamed` as past-tense.

 

Loosen up.

[james90210]

Well, here's one Vancouverite that grew up with smelt, burnt, dreamt, favour, doughnut, etc, so don't despair.;)

 

I also know what a chesterfield, runners, and toques are. I sometimes do have to translate.

 

I don't say 'aboot' or 'eh', though.:p

 

 

This made me smile :)

[Marty170]

Hi James. Maybe someone has already answered your question, but I can´t be bothered to go through all the usual tedious replies re smoking. I have just got off the Westerdam and yes you can smoke in interioir cabins. The cabin did NOT smell of stale smoke all the time and caused no inconvenience to anyone. I even asked non smokers next to me if they could ever smell smoke, they couldn´t! Smoking on the rest of the ship is limited with a small area by the pool bar, and the Sports Bar and Casino. The bars were pretty quiet but the casino was always packed. I will never undetand why cruise lines cater to those who go to bed early and don´t spend anything in the bar! I totally understand the issues of people who don´t smoke but surely with all the bars on board, it shouldn´t be too much of a problem to have one for smokers.

[james90210]

Thank you MArty for your reply mate.. :)

 

Seems there is a poster who started a thread saying he just went on HAL and the smell of smoke in his stateroom was terrible..

It does seem VERY rare tho from what I have heard for anyone to smell it from previous guests in there stateroom.

So his thread won't help us smokers tho.

[startwin]

Hi James. Maybe someone has already answered your question, but I can´t be bothered to go through all the usual tedious replies re smoking. I have just got off the Westerdam and yes you can smoke in interioir cabins. The cabin did NOT smell of stale smoke all the time and caused no inconvenience to anyone. I even asked non smokers next to me if they could ever smell smoke, they couldn´t! Smoking on the rest of the ship is limited with a small area by the pool bar, and the Sports Bar and Casino. The bars were pretty quiet but the casino was always packed. I will never undetand why cruise lines cater to those who go to bed early and don´t spend anything in the bar! I totally understand the issues of people who don´t smoke but surely with all the bars on board, it shouldn´t be too much of a problem to have one for smokers.

 

I don't see the connection between people who go to bed early, people who don't spend anything in the bar - and smoking.

[woody14h]

and it couldn't say that it was a cigarette for certain, either. we'll never know.

 

there's been more engine room fires resulting in sinkings, would you advocate removing the engines?

 

We were anchored next to the Star Princess in Montego Bay the day after the fire. I have got to say the outside of the ship was a blackened mess. Even though not proven, it clearly emanated from a stateroom. Get's one wondering about smoking policies. Non smoking on Celebrity didn't detract from full ships. Smoking should be contained in areas easily accessible to fire equipment. We have seen on several occasions, people flipping butts over the rail of their verandas. This can be dangerous. I don't understand why HAL always distribute a smoking/nonsmoking questionnaire on each cruise if they are not going to make changes. I'm not pro or con smoking; I am for safety on board the ship I sail. And this is a safety issue.

[PirateShark]

Can I just get this off my chest please? As smokers are tired of falsehoods about their habit, please STOP with the canard that non-smokers go to bed early, don't drink and don't gamble. For those who don't believe me, they can kindly pay my on board account next cruise for our bar tab and DH's bingo/craps escapades and see for themselves.

 

OK...back to the usual rants :)

[chrispb]

I don't see the connection between people who go to bed early, people who don't spend anything in the bar - and smoking.

 

Not sure, but what I think he means is that there are empty bars/lounges while smokers are outside or in their staterooms instead of using those nice comfy seats. Even though I don't gamble or drink much, I do remember looking enviously at those unoccupied areas when en-route to outside decks. Seems like a wasted space to me.

It's not that difficult to keep one indoor areas for smokers, surely?