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Waste of space? Actually just the opposite. On STAR and DAWN Spinnakers was moved to where the shops used to be and the shops moved to where the nightclub used to be. If anything they determined the nightclub was a waste of space. STAR and DAWN have no dedicated nightclub or a Bliss Lounge. They could have made the aft space into a Bliss Lounge like on the newer Jewel Class ships, but they realized that Bliss is simply not versatile enough to qualify as a secondary lounge.

 

Personally I think we will see a much larger show lounge on Project Breakaway that is far more versatile as well as a Spinnakers (or similar secondary lounge). The current showlounge on EPIC is fairly useless for anything but Blue Man Group, and it lacks versatility. Also because it's so small it means more performances must be scheduled which can be challenging for performers. Not a big deal for Blue Man Group but once that contract expires there could be challenges finding a suitable replacement for the venue.

 

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ps - I would be willing to bet Cirque is history. Overall it has not been that well received. Again it creates a challenge on EPIC because it's a dedicated space and NCL will have to figure out what to put there next.

 

Spinnakers on the Dawn and Star were considered a waste of valuable space because it had great sight lines to the ocean. Now they are gone in favor of more revenue producing staterooms of larger size. Moving Spinnakers to somewhere else in the ship versus creating a Bliss Lounge was not convenient on the Dawn and Star because Bliss requires the addition of a bowling alley. That's too much modification for a drydock. On the Epic, Bliss definitely qualifies for a secondary show lounge as it served as a venue for all the adult shows like the Spinnakers did on the Dawn and the Jewel. Bliss can definitely work and the decor is more in line for it being used as a versatile lounge. On Epic, Bliss has a stage too.

 

As for finding another group to replace Blue Man Group when the contract is up, I'm sure NCL could do it. The BMG has a nice plan where on port days they don't perform which means they're ashore having a grand ole time and relaxing. Other performance cast companies would like that I'm sure so it would draw good quality performers onboard. The problem is figuring out what entertainment to have. The Epic Theater was not custom built for BMG but it definitely as more room to accomodate larger productions should they choose to do that and go more Broadway. I don't see NCL doing that though. It doesn't line up with their outside the scope business model.

 

Cirque Dinner may be eliminated from the new builds but a cirque-style show I'm sure will remain somewhere onboard. People are big into Cirque shows right now but it's unknown if this is just a fad that will die away when theatrics comes up with something new or if it will eventually trump the bigger Broadway numbers. Personally, I'll take a Broadway show and dinner over a Cirque show ANY DAY! :D

 

Ah the speculation!!

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Spinnakers on the Dawn and Star were considered a waste of valuable space because it had great sight lines to the ocean. Now they are gone in favor of more revenue producing staterooms of larger size. Moving Spinnakers to somewhere else in the ship versus creating a Bliss Lounge was not convenient on the Dawn and Star because Bliss requires the addition of a bowling alley. That's too much modification for a drydock. On the Epic, Bliss definitely qualifies for a secondary show lounge as it served as a venue for all the adult shows like the Spinnakers did on the Dawn and the Jewel. Bliss can definitely work and the decor is more in line for it being used as a versatile lounge. On Epic, Bliss has a stage too.

 

As for finding another group to replace Blue Man Group when the contract is up, I'm sure NCL could do it. The BMG has a nice plan where on port days they don't perform which means they're ashore having a grand ole time and relaxing. Other performance cast companies would like that I'm sure so it would draw good quality performers onboard. The problem is figuring out what entertainment to have. The Epic Theater was not custom built for BMG but it definitely as more room to accomodate larger productions should they choose to do that and go more Broadway. I don't see NCL doing that though. It doesn't line up with their outside the scope business model.

 

Cirque Dinner may be eliminated from the new builds but a cirque-style show I'm sure will remain somewhere onboard. People are big into Cirque shows right now but it's unknown if this is just a fad that will die away when theatrics comes up with something new or if it will eventually trump the bigger Broadway numbers. Personally, I'll take a Broadway show and dinner over a Cirque show ANY DAY! :D

 

Ah the speculation!!

 

 

I still don't think NCL saw Spinnakers as a waste of space, otherwise they would not have rebuilt the lounge elsewhere on the ship. NCL did decide that the location of the original Spinnakers would produce more revenue as suites, although personally I don't support the decision. Having just sailed on NORWEGIAN PEARL to Alaska last month, I could not imagine the ship without that great observation lounge.

 

I'm also at odds with your reasoning as to why the "new" Spinnakers was not turned into a Bliss Lounge. Surely Bliss could have been built in the space without the bowling lanes, perhaps to be added at a later date. If Bliss operates as well as you say as a secondary lounge then this would have been the better decision. It would have provided a nightclub (which the ships are now lacking) along with a secondary lounge for shows, etc. Personally I'm guessing NCL felt that Bliss is not really an ideal secondary lounge. More evidence of this is that the Manhattan Dining room on EPIC is used for shows that normally a secondary lounge would be used for. It seems Bliss is not quite suitable for all purposes of a secondary lounge. While on the subject, I also don't think the Manhattan Room will be repeated on Project Breakaway. Great concept but perhaps in practice not ideal. It creates a lot of work for the staff changing out tables etc. and of course there are limitations on when it can be used as a lounge (outside dining hours). The set up being flat also has limitations as to what can be performed there. Those sitting in the back don't have much of a view.

 

Regarding BMG it's great they can do so many shows in a day. The fact is that this is just not possible with many types of productions, which is why I feel a much larger show lounge will be built on Project Breakaway. Personally I'm not a fan of Cirque shows or BMG, or Howling at the Moon which is perhaps one reason why EPIC has not appealed to me all that much. I can see them all in Orlando just a few hours away, but even so they are just not the types of shows I personally enjoy. Like you, I love a great dinner and broadway show. Seeing Hairspray and Chicago on OASIS and ALLURE was a real treat. The quality and calibre of performers on both shows was as good as anything I've seen on Broadway or the West End. They are actually 'scale' performers.

 

I think one thing everyone can agree will NOT find it's way to Project Breakaway, is the plastic skating rink that was a total failure on EPIC. LOL It's not even on EPIC anymore.

 

The speculation is fun, and it will be interesting to see which of our predictions actually come true.

 

Ernie

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Countdown!!!!

 

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OMG...I LOVE THIS! LOL Someone as twisted as I am. LOL :D

 

Ha ha... I knew that'd be in this thread some where! I spend a few days away being busy with life and discover you already stalking a ship that doesn't even have it's keel laid yet! :eek::D

 

You betcha! :) :p

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ps - I would be willing to bet Cirque is history. Overall it has not been that well received. Again it creates a challenge on EPIC because it's a dedicated space and NCL will have to figure out what to put there next.

 

 

I'm just wondering why you think Cirque has not been well-received? We couldn't get in for 3 nights, even with Concierge working on it.... because it was sold out.

 

 

 

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I still don't think NCL saw Spinnakers as a waste of space, otherwise they would not have rebuilt the lounge elsewhere on the ship. NCL did decide that the location of the original Spinnakers would produce more revenue as suites, although personally I don't support the decision. Having just sailed on NORWEGIAN PEARL to Alaska last month, I could not imagine the ship without that great observation lounge.

 

I'm also at odds with your reasoning as to why the "new" Spinnakers was not turned into a Bliss Lounge. Surely Bliss could have been built in the space without the bowling lanes, perhaps to be added at a later date. If Bliss operates as well as you say as a secondary lounge then this would have been the better decision. It would have provided a nightclub (which the ships are now lacking) along with a secondary lounge for shows, etc. Personally I'm guessing NCL felt that Bliss is not really an ideal secondary lounge. More evidence of this is that the Manhattan Dining room on EPIC is used for shows that normally a secondary lounge would be used for. It seems Bliss is not quite suitable for all purposes of a secondary lounge. While on the subject, I also don't think the Manhattan Room will be repeated on Project Breakaway. Great concept but perhaps in practice not ideal. It creates a lot of work for the staff changing out tables etc. and of course there are limitations on when it can be used as a lounge (outside dining hours). The set up being flat also has limitations as to what can be performed there. Those sitting in the back don't have much of a view.

 

Regarding BMG it's great they can do so many shows in a day. The fact is that this is just not possible with many types of productions, which is why I feel a much larger show lounge will be built on Project Breakaway. Personally I'm not a fan of Cirque shows or BMG, or Howling at the Moon which is perhaps one reason why EPIC has not appealed to me all that much. I can see them all in Orlando just a few hours away, but even so they are just not the types of shows I personally enjoy. Like you, I love a great dinner and broadway show. Seeing Hairspray and Chicago on OASIS and ALLURE was a real treat. The quality and calibre of performers on both shows was as good as anything I've seen on Broadway or the West End. They are actually 'scale' performers.

 

I think one thing everyone can agree will NOT find it's way to Project Breakaway, is the plastic skating rink that was a total failure on EPIC. LOL It's not even on EPIC anymore.

 

The speculation is fun, and it will be interesting to see which of our predictions actually come true.

 

Ernie

 

Mahattan Room works nicely on the Epic and I loved the concept of it. I would really like NCL to carry this over to their new builds. It flows and it adds something that has been taken away from dinner on recent cruise ships. People used to be serenaded by music on old ocean liners and Manhattan Room is a step back to that era IMHO. I like it a lot. I can still wear what I want but have a bit of nostalgia mixed in.

 

I don't want to have to walk a mile to see a Broadway show either. Allure and Oasis are just too big. A nice Broadway show would be great but something more off the hook then Phantom of the Opera or Chicago. It has to be something geared towards the younger market. STOMP would be a nice production to bring to the sea. Maybe they could do that on their new builds. It'd be right up the alley of their business model.

 

A cruise ship doesn't need an ice skating rink on it. That's another thing RCI can keep. It was a stupid idea to put that on a ship at sea. I'm happy it didn't work on Epic. If I want ice I'll go to Alaska or stay home all winter. An ice skating rink is a waste of space. If NCL is considering that for their new builds then I hope they turn the space into a disco instead. It'll produce more revenue as that and cost them less (no need for more performers)! :)

 

One thing is for sure... the new ships will have STUDIOS and those I LOVE LOVE LOVE!!! :D

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Mahattan Room works nicely on the Epic and I loved the concept of it. I would really like NCL to carry this over to their new builds. It flows and it adds something that has been taken away from dinner on recent cruise ships. People used to be serenaded by music on old ocean liners and Manhattan Room is a step back to that era IMHO. I like it a lot. I can still wear what I want but have a bit of nostalgia mixed in.

 

I use to love the "shows" they would put on while eating dinner. All of the dancing waiters were great. I especially loved the night they had the flaming volcano thingy ma-jig. (Can't remember what it's called at the moment). There was a different theme every night and really neat. I just don't miss having to dress up and sit in an assigned seat with the same people during the cruise. :rolleyes:

 

STOMP would be a nice production to bring to the sea. Maybe they could do that on their new builds. It'd be right up the alley of their business model.

 

OH MY!!! What a wonderful idea. Hopefully they are considering something like this as well! That would be perfect!

 

A cruise ship doesn't need an ice skating rink on it. That's another thing RCI can keep. It was a stupid idea to put that on a ship at sea. I'm happy it didn't work on Epic. If I want ice I'll go to Alaska or stay home all winter. An ice skating rink is a waste of space. If NCL is considering that for their new builds then I hope they turn the space into a disco instead. It'll produce more revenue as that and cost them less (no need for more performers)! :)

 

One thing is for sure... the new ships will have STUDIOS and those I LOVE LOVE LOVE!!! :D

 

I agree about the ice skating rink. I don't think I really seen anyone use it when we were on the Epic last year. Thank goodness they didn't invest in a "real" one.

 

I do however like the bowling alley. Nothing like trying to get your bowl on while on a moving ship. :eek: It made an interesting game and I did have an "excuse". ;)

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I agree about the ice skating rink. I don't think I really seen anyone use it when we were on the Epic last year. Thank goodness they didn't invest in a "real" one.

 

I do however like the bowling alley. Nothing like trying to get your bowl on while on a moving ship. It made an interesting game and I did have an "excuse".

 

I can come up with good ideas every now and again... STOMP is one of them. I'd like to see STOMP on a cruise ship more so than BMG. I've seen both quite a few times and actually like STOMP better than BMG. Both could easily fit on a cruise ship though with little to no storage of props and sets.

 

The bowling alley is part of Bliss Ultra Lounge and several other places so I'm good for it staying because I like the concept of Bliss on Epic. It was the first time I'd been on a ship with a Bliss. The bar actually could have been a little bit bigger in Bliss on Epic though (hear that NCL... giving you a hint on how to make more $$)... it was easier to get to the bar if you just stood in the wait staff area to get a drink! I think I was on a very BUSY week though (Spring Break).

 

I really hope Spice H2O makes a come back. The dancing under the stars is INCREDIBLE! It so much reminded me of the charter companies. The music wasn't quite right (except White Hot Party... the hottest one on the Epic YET... and yes I will take partial credit for that... ha ha). :p:D

 

Now about your bowling... hmm... are you sure the ship was rocking and it wasn't you? :p:rolleyes::D

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My new Norwegian ship wish list: The Manhattan room, promenade deck, lots of big name entertainment, Epic-style buffet design -- no lines and lots of space, and O'Sheehan's. But most of all don't send both new ships to the Caribbean with the other 5000 ships! We need more ships sailing Seattle to Alaska. Almost forgot. Add Sitka and Icy Strait Point to the itineraries. Amen. :):):)

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My new Norwegian ship wish list: The Manhattan room, promenade deck, lots of big name entertainment, Epic-style buffet design -- no lines and lots of space, and O'Sheehan's. But most of all don't send both new ships to the Caribbean with the other 5000 ships! We need more ships sailing Seattle to Alaska. Almost forgot. Add Sitka and Icy Strait Point to the itineraries. Amen. :):):)

 

I agree about adding the Promenade Deck (which they've done based on renderings) and keeping the Manhattan Room. I think variety of entertainment will also stay on this ship. Don't know if the casino will be as big of a space taker as it is on Epic (hoping not or at least better aired out). As for new ship deployments, I also hope they will not go to the Caribbean out of Miami but instead homeport out of other locations including NYC (if they'll fit). I doubt they'd ever send one up to Boston. I'm dreaming if I think they would do that!! :eek::D

 

Alaska is the last place I'd expect a mega ship to go to. They're starting to increase capacity back there but ships of that size just don't seem to fit the scene up there very well. :cool:

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Very excited about the announcements.. We don't go on Epic til next year and I'm already looking forward to a new ship to plan for.

 

No Spinnakers and those fab chairs to sit in and watch the world float under me makes me sad.. Such a great space. They need those chairs somewhere surrounded by glass, I literally could sit there for hours on our Pearl Cruise.. :)

 

One thing I hope never changes on NCL is the true Freestyle feel the whole ship has. There is no pressure or stress to be anywhere and I felt completly comfortable walking into one of Simon's game shows after it had started or lingering over dinner with the hubs a little bit too long and then wandering into Sharkbait after it started.. :) On the Disney cruises, there was constant stress to get to places on time and even stand in line ahead of time to make sure the shows were given the proper due...... Takes away the fun of being on vacation, ya know.

 

Everytime I've been on a cruise I've been at a different place in my life....... I needed something different from our getaway. People are always evolving so our Cruise lines should to.

 

Can't wait! :)

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My new Norwegian ship wish list: The Manhattan room, promenade deck, lots of big name entertainment, Epic-style buffet design -- no lines and lots of space, and O'Sheehan's. But most of all don't send both new ships to the Caribbean with the other 5000 ships! We need more ships sailing Seattle to Alaska. Almost forgot. Add Sitka and Icy Strait Point to the itineraries. Amen. :):):)

 

I've seen these kind of statements frequently and I don't get it. There are no NCL ships in the Caribbean in the summer months. For those of us stuck with summer time sailings, I am quite disappointed that NCL has NONE. Go to the ncl site and try to find a 2012 summer sailing for the caribbean - it is completely grayed out. Yes, it is probably too hot to be much fun but until I have no children and can cruise in Oct-April, I will not be able to pick NCL in the summer unless I continue to do the Bahamas/Fl route. Flying all of us across the country or to the Mediterranean is out of my budget.

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I've seen these kind of statements frequently and I don't get it. There are no NCL ships in the Caribbean in the summer months. For those of us stuck with summer time sailings, I am quite disappointed that NCL has NONE. Go to the ncl site and try to find a 2012 summer sailing for the caribbean - it is completely grayed out. Yes, it is probably too hot to be much fun but until I have no children and can cruise in Oct-April, I will not be able to pick NCL in the summer unless I continue to do the Bahamas/Fl route. Flying all of us across the country or to the Mediterranean is out of my budget.

 

I totally agree with you. We love NCL, but are kind of forced to go with the other cruise lines. We have done Alaska, Bahamas, Bermuda ... and had a wonderful time. We want to cruise more often so Europe is out of the question for right now. We love the Caribbean .... we really don't take into consideration the ports.....just the climate and the ocean.

 

I think why some of the ships are not in the Caribbean is because the summer time (May - June through October - November) is hurricane season.

 

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.....There are no NCL ships in the Caribbean in the summer months. For those of us stuck with summer time sailings, I am quite disappointed that NCL has NONE. Go to the ncl site and try to find a 2012 summer sailing for the caribbean - it is completely grayed out....

 

That's weird. I didn't believe you at first, then went to the NCL site and you're quite correct. I wonder what NCL is doing? Obviously they've had Caribbean cruises in the summer; we've been on them, and we're on the Spirit out of New Orleans for the Western Caribbean next month.

 

I can't see NCL abandoning a very lucrative market. I have to guess they are still not sure about which ships they are putting in the Caribbean in 2012, although I'd think they would want their itineraries setup fairly soon.

 

Have you called NCL and asked about summer 2012?

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I think Europe is in for an over correction. The market over there has gone soft and with the Euro debt crisis throwing everything into turmoil it'll be interesting to see just how long the cruise lines hold out before sending some back to the Caribbean to ride out the hurricane season? They're already having problems filling the Epic because there is a large RCCL ship turning around on the same day making airfares to and from Barcelona crazy. They've had to accomodate by allowing passengers to board at other cities along the itinerary to fill it. That'll only last so long and then somoene somewhere is just going to say, FORGET it and come back state-side until then... NCL has nothing in 2012. I would expect a shift after this season's done IMHO.

 

Getting back to the new builds and where they'd go. Probably to the Caribbean year round. There is simply no room for that much capacity anywhere else at this time. Airlines are crippling the industry and cramping the growth with high fares and insane baggage fees. Driving to the port is a good thing but then ships need to be put in major population areas (eg. NYC). If the ship fits, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see one of them home ported in NYC.

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I'd like to see the new ships go somewhere besides rotating between the Eastern/Western Caribbean and Europe.. I know lots of people do the Eastern/Western over and over and over again, but that just does not interest me, at all.... Once is more than enough. I just like to go on the new, 'cool' boats so I'd like them to rotate into doing something different every once in a while..

Southern Caribbean would be nice.. :)

Mexican Riviera would be nice.. :)

Panama Canal would be nice.. :)

 

I know size is an issue, especially the PC route..

 

There is a great 10-day round trip for the Panama Canal (Princess, I think) from Ft. Lauderdale, but the ship is small & old, so I couldn't get excited about it..

 

There is also a great Southern Caribbean with RCI that leaves from Puerto Rico that includes Bonaire or Curacuo that I'd love to do, but again an old boring ship so it just doesn't interest me..

 

And am I wrong or does NCL not have a Mexican Riveria route?? I need to do the Love Boat Route.. :)

 

I have admittedly been dying to go on the Epic, but after that I promised DH we'd do Oasis/Allure and then the new NCL ships, so PLEASE send them somewhere else.. :)

 

I'd also like to see an occasional 10-day route on new ships.. I know it messes up the 7-day ones, but they could do one every few months and then do a 4-day to fill up the week and that would give those that can't afford or have the time to do a 7-day cruise a chance to see the new cool ships..

 

Our 10-yr is in 2014 and I want to do something cool on one of the new ships, PLEASE!!!!!

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That's weird. I didn't believe you at first, then went to the NCL site and you're quite correct. I wonder what NCL is doing? Obviously they've had Caribbean cruises in the summer; we've been on them, and we're on the Spirit out of New Orleans for the Western Caribbean next month.

 

I can't see NCL abandoning a very lucrative market. I have to guess they are still not sure about which ships they are putting in the Caribbean in 2012, although I'd think they would want their itineraries setup fairly soon.

 

Have you called NCL and asked about summer 2012?

 

I agree. They probably have just not decided which ships are going to be there. They obviously sail all summer in the Caribbean. We are going on one this summer. We were on one last summer. It would be foolish to pull out of the caribbean when it's more affordable and everyone wants to go there (especially first time cruisers). :confused:

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i would hope they might expand the solo cabin idea and have the dedicated area for all singles on the ship

 

some singles might travel together and room together...but it would be great to join in with others. NCL can truly capture this "niche" if they try...

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I would be willing to bet Cirque is history. Overall it has not been that well received.

 

I disagree Ernie. I have read lots of positive reviews about the show and I saw it recently on-board - it was excellent (much improved from the original version).

 

I would have thought that the ice bar, the Spiegel Tent, the Blue Man Group, Legends and the number of dining options are all Epic's unique selling points. Mind you they are obviously not all going repeat the entertainment on the new ship.

 

By the way, I spoke to the Theatre Manager on-board and he said the 'Epic Theatre' was very much designed with the Blue Man Group in mind. And yes it needs to be bigger!

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I don't think it has anything to do with changes to the fleet. Isn't this pertaining to the "FREESTYLE DASH" sale that they are running June 21-24? Although a Studio Balcony sounds awsome.

 

Norwegian to Launch “Freestyle Dash” Promotion on June 21

June 19, 2011 7:28 PM

Norwegian Cruise Line will launch its “Freestyle Dash” limited-time offer, which offers shipboard credit, on June 21. Guests who book a Norwegian cruise by June 24 will receive up to $250 per stateroom, based on cruise length and category. The promotion also reduces deposits fleet-wide.

In addition, guests who book a cruise on Norwegian Epic by July 31 will receive up to $300 to spend on board. Norwegian Epic’s Western Mediterranean sailings from Barcelona Spain visit Naples, Rome (Civitavecchia), Florence (Livorno), Nice (Villefranche), and Provence (Marseille), France.

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I don't think it has anything to do with changes to the fleet. Isn't this pertaining to the "FREESTYLE DASH" sale that they are running June 21-24? Although a Studio Balcony sounds awsome.

 

Norwegian to Launch “Freestyle Dash” Promotion on June 21

June 19, 2011 7:28 PM

Norwegian Cruise Line will launch its “Freestyle Dash” limited-time offer, which offers shipboard credit, on June 21. Guests who book a Norwegian cruise by June 24 will receive up to $250 per stateroom, based on cruise length and category. The promotion also reduces deposits fleet-wide.

In addition, guests who book a cruise on Norwegian Epic by July 31 will receive up to $300 to spend on board. Norwegian Epic’s Western Mediterranean sailings from Barcelona Spain visit Naples, Rome (Civitavecchia), Florence (Livorno), Nice (Villefranche), and Provence (Marseille), France.

 

 

No. Project Breakaway is the code name for the 2 new builds. The EPIC's codename was F3.

 

The teasers start tomorrow (21st) even though sailing isn't until April 2013...providing the world doesn't end in December 2012 (or October 2011 for that matter). :)

 

 

 

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That's weird. I didn't believe you at first, then went to the NCL site and you're quite correct. I wonder what NCL is doing? Obviously they've had Caribbean cruises in the summer; we've been on them, and we're on the Spirit out of New Orleans for the Western Caribbean next month.

 

I can't see NCL abandoning a very lucrative market. I have to guess they are still not sure about which ships they are putting in the Caribbean in 2012, although I'd think they would want their itineraries setup fairly soon.

 

Have you called NCL and asked about summer 2012?

 

NCL pulled it's ships from the summer Caribbean several years ago when Alaska got so popular and the European market opened up. That is where the demand was and as a bonus, there is no hurricane activity.

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