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MorganMars

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Wow! Thanks for the link. Also, was happy to see a new post since the last time I checked this thread was locked.

 

Here is another link with more information: http://www.corriere.it/english/12_luglio_03/fiorenza-sarzanini_c641440a-c52e-11e1-a141-5df29481da70.shtml

 

Fire doors

Safety regulations stipulate that watertight doors should remain closed unless permission for them to remain open has been issued by the harbour office. Although Costa has applied for permission, it is not thought to have been granted. The ship’s officers confirm that the doors were open because, as Simone Canessa, who was on the bridge, says in his statement, “this was standard practice during navigation to make it easier for those who were working to come and go”.

Recordings from the operations rooms show that the doors were in fact left open. It is no coincidence that forty minutes after impact, Staff Captain Ciro Ambrosio ordered the watertight doors to be shut. The order could not be carried out because the switches were not working, perhaps because the Martec system was out of service. The shouts of officer of the watch Giovanni Iaccarino just after the impact ring dramatically clear: “Water is getting in through the fire doors, water is still getting in through the fire doors”.

 

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MorganMars

 

http://www.news.com.au/world/costa-concordias-black-box-failed/story-fndir2ev-1226416228028

 

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with all the lack of safety controls for costa and this ship. how culpable is the corporation (aka. carnival ) for such cost cutting that basic safety equipment is in dis-repair or out of date?

 

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http://www.news.com.au/world/costa-concordias-black-box-failed/story-fndir2ev-1226416228028

 

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with all the lack of safety controls for costa and this ship. how culpable is the corporation (aka. carnival ) for such cost cutting that basic safety equipment is in dis-repair or out of date?

 

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THE black box on the crashed Italian cruise ship the Costa Concordia was faulty, investigators have been quoted as saying in a new report.

 

The Italian ship, which crashed in January killing 32 people, was sailing with its sealed doors open, unapproved maps and faulty instruments, a newspaper reported yesterday, citing investigators.

 

The black box was also reportedly out of action at the time of the impact, meaning investigators have to rely on a computer that was switched off at 11.36pm and may never be able to piece together the exact events of that night.

 

"The Vdr (Voyage Data Recorder) has broken down for the umpteenth time... The situation is becoming unbearable," Costa Crociere's technical director Pierfrancesco Ferro is quoted as telling a repair firm in an email.

 

Costa Crociere, Europe's biggest cruise operator, defended itself against the charges telling Corriere della Sera: "The black box signalled only an error code which absolutely did not mean that the Vdr apparatus was not working."

 

"There is no law or international convention that means that in a situation like this the ship could not sail."

 

Some of the technical apparatus on board the Costa Concordia had been broken since January 9 - four days before the tragedy on the Italian island of Giglio, the Corriere della Sera said, citing leaked documents from the inquiry.

 

The report quoted a response from ship owner Costa Crociere saying that it was not aware the sealed doors were open, that the maps were the captain's responsibility and that the glitches did not stop the ship from sailing.

 

A court hearing is due on July 21 at which the full results of technical analysis will be revealed. Captain Francesco Schettino and eight others including three executives from Costa Crociere are under investigation.

The giant ship hit rocks off Giglio on the night of January 13 with 4229 people from dozens of countries on board. Cpt. Schettino is accused of delaying the evacuation and then abandoning ship before everyone had been rescued.

 

Emails cited by Corriere della Sera showed the ship had been due in for repairs on its technical instruments after it reached port on January 14.

 

An officer on board questioned by investigators also reportedly said sealed doors were open at the time of the impact as "this was a practice used during the navigation to ease the flow of people who were at work."

 

It also said that ensuring the ship was equipped with all the maps required for its route was Cpt. Schettino's responsibility after a cartographer questioned by investigators said that digital maps on board were not authorised.

 

"The ship should have never sailed so close to the coast," the company said.

 

Now that's what I'm talkin about..................:rolleyes:

If it walks like a cover up and talks like a cover up, it's probably a cover up. ;)

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This just in from Seatrade Insider: Fincantiere has been awarded the contract to build the 30 watertight steel boxes that will be made into the sponson to help raise the hulk.

 

http://www.seatrade-insider.com/News/News-Headlines/Fincantieri-wins-steelwork-contract-that-s-key-to-Concordia-removal.h

 

It seems as if progress is being made and work is ahead of schedule.

 

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We have been lucky enough to be on the Bridge of the Ruby Princess on 2 occasions and both times the Captain was the same English one, I recall being told on both visits that while paper charts were no longer required due to technology that Princess insist that they are carried and are used while the ship is sailing. I find it hard to understand that charts are the responsibility of the Captain to provide them!

 

How come there is no law prohibiting a ship from sailing with faulty instruments ?

 

It is also strange that the watertight doors were not closed below the waterline while Concordia was sailing! assuming of course that when the ship is raised it can be proved that they were not closed! albeit that some likely could not be closed due to damage sustained.

 

Also odd is how the ship went down at the Stern first while heeling over to the Starboard side? maybe aa a result of all the Watertight doors forward of the hole being closed.

 

So Fincantieri are building the boxes, likely the ship will go to one of their yards when raised.

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"Nautical charts have also been in the investigators’ cross-hairs from the start since the ones used are reported not to indicate the shoal on which the Concordia ran aground"

 

Proof that Schettino was telling the Truth over this but we will have to wait for the details from July 21st regarding the Black box details.

 

"The ship should have never sailed so close to the coast," the company said .... but they had approved the route the ship was sailing apart from the Final half mile! if Instruments were faulty then this could account for the ship being the half mile off course.

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Uniall

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Strange i thought this thread was about the Concordia! ... :eek:

 

Yes that's true but once a year, on July 4, we are required to remind our British cousins, wherever we may find them, of why we had to politely tell them the party was over and gently ask them to go home in 1776. :D

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Uni ... while old traditions are exactly that .. Old, i still fail to see what this has to do with Costa? unless of course there were Italians fighting with the English in 1776 .... ;)

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Yes that's true but once a year, on July 4, we are required to remind our British cousins, wherever we may find them, of why we had to politely tell them the party was over and gently ask them to go home in 1776. :D

 

The party may have ended but you still and will always speak English.

 

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Uni ... while old traditions are exactly that .. Old, i still fail to see what this has to do with Costa? unless of course there were Italians fighting with the English in 1776 .... ;)

 

I has to do with the variances of law from country to country that evolved the patch work quilt that we now know as maritime law.

 

When "Britania ruled the waves" they made maritime law. Eventually, they were eclipsed by the US.

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Sidari, that explains why we didn't see anything on the *viewing side* of the ship this early morning.

With this news, I feel a bit vindicated. I had asked a while back if the rock would have to be broken up to be removed and was made to feel like it was a stupid question.

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