Why Ban e-Cigarettes?

[Langley Cruisers]

[quote name='mm1251']Thanks. NOW it's clear.[/quote]

It wasn't clear before? :):D:p Serious.

[mein18]

[quote name='brigittetom']I thought the whole problem was that some people were sensitive to cigarette smoke and non smokers didn't want to be subjected to second hand smoke....hence the new smoking rules.

How exactly does E-cig smoking in cabins and balconys affect other passengers? More importantly, why are people so intent on restricting others when it has no effect on them?[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, many non-smokers will intentionally make sure they are in direct line with smoke from a cigarette just so they can complain. Some people are not happy unless they have something to complain about. Now, we e-cigs, a non-smoker complain-a-holic will see the fake cigarette and almost kill themselves trying to get to the smoke so they can complain. RCI decided that more will be harmed because of the "must complain addiction" and figured it easier to just ban all types of cigarettes.

[DrD]

[quote name='LMaxwell']The science is still out on that. Until there are studies corroborated and verified by the FDA, and they carry an approval from the SG, RCI is probably electing to err on the side of caution. The substances in E-cigs have been found safe to ingest whole, but not as a vapor.

I'm not saying they are as bad as or worse than cigarettes. I am just saying that any negative effects to bystanders is not fully understood yet.[/QUOTE]

We all know it's a moot point as e-cigs can be and are used in cabins as they leave no smell or residual toxins ("third-hand smoke.")

So there's no way someone on their balcony or in their cabin would get "caught" smoking.

[orville99]

[quote name='LMaxwell']

I'm not saying they are as bad as or worse than cigarettes. I am just saying that any negative effects to bystanders is not fully understood yet.[/QUOTE]

Can't speak to any negative effects on bystanders, only the effects on me. A pack+ a day for 40 years before my doctor convinced me to try a pv. Within a month, my heart rate was doen to normal, my lung capacity doubled, I stopped having sinus infections, and my blood oxygen levels are at 99%. I haven't had a cough in three years. I'm up to a half mile in the pool, and the only negative is I've put on 10 pounds:)

[orville99]

Unfortunately, many non-smokers will intentionally make sure they are in direct line with smoke from a cigarette just so they can complain. Some people are not happy unless they have something to complain about. Now, we e-cigs, a non-smoker complain-a-holic will see the fake cigarette and almost kill themselves trying to get to the smoke so they can complain. RCI decided that more will be harmed because of the "must complain addiction" and figured it easier to just ban all types of cigarettes.

 

More than a grain of truth here:)

[Charles4515]

More than a grain of truth here:)

 

Only in the mind of paraniod smokers.

[orville99]

Only in the mind of paraniod smokers.

 

Or you could just remove the word smokers and insert the zealot of your choice. Paranoia is nondenominational

.:rolleyes:

[xpcdoojk]

I thought the whole problem was that some people were sensitive to cigarette smoke and non smokers didn't want to be subjected to second hand smoke....hence the new smoking rules.

 

How exactly does E-cig smoking in cabins and balconys affect other passengers? More importantly, why are people so intent on restricting others when it has no effect on them?

 

Because they are smarter and holier than those who smoke. IE they are on a mission from G... as Dan Aykroyd said in the Blues Brothers.

 

jc<--- I still don't smoke, but the way people want to control others behaviors is so annoying....

[xpcdoojk]

Can't speak to any negative effects on bystanders, only the effects on me. A pack+ a day for 40 years before my doctor convinced me to try a pv. Within a month, my heart rate was doen to normal, my lung capacity doubled, I stopped having sinus infections, and my blood oxygen levels are at 99%. I haven't had a cough in three years. I'm up to a half mile in the pool, and the only negative is I've put on 10 pounds:)

 

Congrats. Attaboy!

 

Seriously, good job

 

jc

[Paul65]

Because they are smarter and holier than those who smoke. IE they are on a mission from G... as Dan Aykroyd said in the Blues Brothers.

 

jc<--- I still don't smoke, but the way people want to control others behaviors is so annoying....

 

With one or two exceptions in this thread, nobody is really trying to "control others' behaviors" with regard to e-cigarettes. In fact, there's been a fair amount of support among non-smokers for RCCL reconsidering lumping e-cigs together with cigarettes.

 

The complaint of wanting to "control others" is an oft-repeated attempt to smear those who are in favor of restrictions on smoking, but most who are in that category really just want to be able to go about their normal lives without being subjected to smoke. It's not so much about controlling others.

 

pc<--- I don't smoke either, but the way people want to demonize others is annoying....

[flczr]

Guess who owns cigarette manufactures . The large tobacco companies

[tiessa]

Guess who owns cigarette manufactures . The large tobacco companies

 

 

I'm confused. Who else would own them?

[Silverman]

This is a contentious topic but the one indisputable fact is that from Jan 1 2014 you will not be able to use any smoking device in area that have been banned unless you are willing to risk being taken of the ship at the next port ,

There is Likely to be fines incurred as well so if you wish to go right ahead but don't say you weren't warned .

 

 

This wont happen unless you or other people are going to play e cig police. I could be standing next to you and be using mine and you would never know it. Sure it goes up to my mouth but nothing comes out. How does that happen? LOL Stealth vaping!! The only way you would know if I used it in my room is if you walked in right when I exhaled. Then there would be a cloud for about 5- 10 seconds. Then its gone! No smell no nothing. On my last cruise. I spoke to quite a few crew members about it. I was surprised how many are using them. I had about a 10 minute discussion with a dealer in the Casino about them. He was happy I was using one. I was glad he was using one. My doctor is glad Im using them too. But wants me off the nicotine. Im working on it. As far as the smell goes its only there on the exhale. Even then the smell is gone in a few seconds. It doesnt linger like cigarette smoke.

[beachnative]

This wont happen unless you or other people are going to play e cig police. I could be standing next to you and be using mine and you would never know it. Sure it goes up to my mouth but nothing comes out. How does that happen? LOL Stealth vaping!! The only way you would know if I used it in my room is if you walked in right when I exhaled. Then there would be a cloud for about 5- 10 seconds. Then its gone! No smell no nothing. On my last cruise. I spoke to quite a few crew members about it. I was surprised how many are using them. I had about a 10 minute discussion with a dealer in the Casino about them. He was happy I was using one. I was glad he was using one. My doctor is glad Im using them too. But wants me off the nicotine. Im working on it. As far as the smell goes its only there on the exhale. Even then the smell is gone in a few seconds. It doesnt linger like cigarette smoke.

 

Your statement is full of contradictions: I could be standing next to you using mine and you wouldn't know it vs. there would be a cloud for about 5-10 seconds .... no smell no nothing vs. as far as the smell goes it's only there on the exhale.

[medic123]

Your statement is full of contradictions: I could be standing next to you using mine and you wouldn't know it vs. there would be a cloud for about 5-10 seconds .... no smell no nothing vs. as far as the smell goes it's only there on the exhale.

 

He is talking about stealth vaping in the first sentence. It is when you hold the vapor in your mouth or lungs for 5-10 seconds and then there is no vapor left to exhale. Vapor totally dissipates in 10 - 12 seconds. Normal vaping you inhale and then exhale a large (or small depending on the device) cloud of vapor.

[orville99]

Guess who owns e-cigarette manufactures . The large tobacco companies

 

 

Not quite true. Tobacco companies are just now entering the market. Up until Lorillard acquired Blu, virtually all of the PV manufacturers were overseas companies (mostly China, where the technology was invented). The cigarette manufacturers have, IMO, not done the PV community any favors by entering the market with products that look (for the most part) exactly like the analog cigarettes that they are intended to replace. All that accomplishes is putting a visual in front of an anti-smoking audience that "looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck" - therefore it must be a duck.:(

[mein18]

Because they are smarter and holier than those who smoke. IE they are on a mission from G... as Dan Aykroyd said in the Blues Brothers.

 

jc<--- I still don't smoke, but the way people want to control others behaviors is so annoying....

 

Because some people are not happy unless they have something to complain about or can make someone elses life as misserable as their own. They will spend most of their cruise hunting and searching for something to complain about or for someone they can stick it to. They feel they are perfect and they do no wrong and are entitled to be treated better than anyone else. They are self-centered complain-a-holics.

 

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[RevSmith]

Not quite true. Tobacco companies are just now entering the market. Up until Lorillard acquired Blu, virtually all of the PV manufacturers were overseas companies (mostly China, where the technology was invented). The cigarette manufacturers have, IMO, not done the PV community any favors by entering the market with products that look (for the most part) exactly like the analog cigarettes that they are intended to replace. All that accomplishes is putting a visual in front of an anti-smoking audience that "looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck" - therefore it must be a duck.:(

Except it's a computer generated version of a duck, that looks, quacks and waddles like a duck but is NOT a duck! End of an attempt at Logic! Sorry.

Rev

[Paul65]

Except it's a computer generated version of a duck, that looks, quacks and waddles like a duck but is NOT a duck! End of an attempt at Logic! Sorry.

Rev

 

Orville was just arguing that it is counter-productive for the manufacturers to make them look so much like a real cigarette. He was making the same point as you, namely that it is "NOT a duck." But the more it looks and quacks like a duck, the more misunderstanding there will be.

[evelyn51]

Congrats. Attaboy!

 

Seriously, good job

 

jc

 

The swimming in time will remove the 10+! My mother-in-law was just recognized this summer. 100+ pounds loss through Tops and Swimming!

 

Congratulations! :)

[RevSmith]

Orville was just arguing that it is counter-productive for the manufacturers to make them look so much like a real cigarette. He was making the same point as you, namely that it is "NOT a duck." But the more it looks and quacks like a duck, the more misunderstanding there will be.

Oh, sorry. Sometimes the written word is difficult to totally understand.

[baycruiser]

I can't remember the last time coffee contained cancer causing agents that were of the same concentrations and created a smoke/vapor. Anything to justify an addiction though, right.

 

I find it ironic that CC will allow several threads indirectly complaining about these policy changes but will not allow posters to disagree with smoking itself.

 

High usage of caffeine will do extremely bad things to you, and if you are exhaling after drinking coffee, then I will get second hand caffeine. This is your argument about ecigs.

 

I make my own juices and can guarantee none of the ingredients I use are carcinogens. That would defeat the purpose, although I can see how someone prone to exaggeration would get all nuts about the same ingredients used in a hospital air purification apparatus.

[medic123]

http://www.cigbuyer.com/inside-e-cigarette-liquids-and-vapor/

Here is some good info.

[Folk Singer]

Since this question seemed to come up frequently in the other thread about the upcoming changes to the smoking policy on RCCL, I thought it might deserve a separate thread.

 

I'm not anti-e-cigs, but I thought I'd at least give my opinion on why they might be lumped in with cigarettes:

 

- The safety of e-cigs is not that well known. What little study has been done has shown that at least some of the cartridges used in these devices contain hazardous and carcinogenic chemicals. It is not just water vapor, as many people believe. Some also contain nicotine derived from tobacco and containing many of the same chemicals found in cigarettes (but not the tars). I think this is likely the primary reason.

 

- Unless you're looking closely, smoking an e-cig looks about the same as smoking a regular cigarette. There's probably some consideration for not wanting to deal with the hassle of complaints about smoking leading to staff having to check to see if it's really smoking or e-smoking.

 

Of course, I don't know what went into RCI's decision making, this is just my speculation on the reasons.

 

 

I didn't know that was the case.

[medic123]

http://www.cigbuyer.com/inside-e-cigarette-liquids-and-vapor/

Here is some good info.

 

Read this article for some truth about e-cigs. I promise you my e-cig looks nothing like a real cigarette. I make my own juice hand it has no nicotine, so my vapor is the same as stage fog with a little odor in it.