E cigs question?

[NLH Arizona]

I have a friend who sells vaping equipment. Some of the flavors sound awfully sweet. I have heard they can be offensive but I wouldn't know.

 

I have first hand information on this. I was in Las Vegas, I was playing at a bank of about 4 or so slots. All were filled except for one and a young lady sat down. She started vaping and the smell was so putrid and there was so much smoke, that it ran those of us that were playing nearby away. I'm an ex-smoker and would (and do) sit next to a cigarette smoker, before I will sit next to a vaper again. Edited September 30, 2015 by NLH Arizona

[ala1017]

So what's the point? Serious question. I get the idea of vaping as an alternative nicotine delivery system from tobacco, and I get the idea of reducing the nicotine levels to ween off the addiction, but once you're off the stuff why continue?

 

 

I smoked for 20 years and the vaping helped me come off the cigarettes. I started with a higher lever of nicotine or the equivalent to a full flavored cigarette and made my way down to zero nicotine. Now it's just a complete mental thing. I don't like the different flavors I get menthol vape liquid. I am also considerate...It's not like I'd sit in a movie theater vaping or at my table in a restaurant.. Or in the hospital where I work. I still obey most rules. If I am in my hotel room...I do vape, I would never have smoked. Vaping does not leave an odor like a cigarette does. We used to smoke in the house and you could tell. I still vape in the house but if you came into my home you would have no idea...trust me..my mother in law doesn't complain anymore and if my MIL can't tell...certainly no one can. Since quitting smoking, even though I'm vaping, I can actually run again. I am running 3 miles a day, whereas when I smoked, I couldn't have even run down my hallway without wheezing. While I appreciate that everyone has an opinion, which is just that, having lived through smoking and switching to vaping, you can't tell me that vaping is worse or just as bad as smoking..I will just simply disagree in an adult fashion without arguing

[nyfltraveler]

On our cruise last year I was in my balcony cabin and must have exhaled directly toward the ceiling smoke detector because it went off. My steward came rushing into the room, quickly sized up the situation, told me to hurry and hide all my vape stuff (chargers, juice, etc) because security would be coming to the room any second. I quickly threw everything into a drawer and security came to the room not a second later. I tried to look innocent and told them I had no idea why the smoke detector was going off...They looked around the cabin, were very polite, said it must be the humidity, and left. We had been vaping in our cabin for several days so this was an anomaly. We were very cautious about our vape exhale after that!!:eek:

 

Why do this in the first place? The smoke alarm goes off, causing an unnecessary situation using security resources. What would have happened if the sprinklers went off? Its one thing to smoke in designated areas, but to violate policy by doing this in the room?

[BirdTravels]

While I applaud and congratulate any smoker who makes the conversion to vaping it is still an intrusion to others.

 

I go to a lot of baseball games. Twice I recall folks directly in front of me were vaping. The cloud they exhaled limited my view of the field. It was certainly like cig smoking in appearance. Both times the offender was told no vaping allowed.

 

Another time a guy was getting take out and I was eating in a booth. He blew a huge cloud right into my space. I had no idea what that vapor contains as it wafted over my meal.

 

I have a friend who sells vaping equipment. Some of the flavors sound awfully sweet. I have heard they can be offensive but I wouldn't know.

 

On a cruise ship? Vaping isn't really smoking and it really isn't non-smoking. It seems to be somewhere in limbo.

 

Case in point, vaping is in infancy as far as in the masses. Time will tell.

 

On a NCL cruise ship, vaping is restricted to smoking areas of the ship. It is not allowed in any non-smoking spaces (including cabins and balconies). It's very simple. Follow the rules.

[BirdTravels]

we are on this sailing as well and in the same situation. I hope perhaps they have a lounge where the hubby's can go and vape, because i for sure would rather my husband vape than smoke.

 

Make sure your DH follows the NCL restriction that "If you smoke regular or electronic cigarettes, you can do so in designated [smoking] areas only."

[DMH15]

On a NCL cruise ship, vaping is restricted to smoking areas of the ship. It is not allowed in any non-smoking spaces (including cabins and balconies). It's very simple. Follow the rules.

 

Of course I agree. It was more a philosophical question rather than of facts. I certainly did not mean to imply anyone should ignore rules of NCL's or any line's contract.

[triptolemus]

Here's a thought...

 

White drugs... like cocaine and methamphetamine, are not easily discovered when boarding a ship. Leaving one, perhaps, but boarding one? You can carry on pretty much anything under MARSEC 1 in a US port.

 

Most folks who choose to consume these things do so in the privacy of their cabin and understand the possession and consumption of same are prohibited.

 

To put that in context, e-cigs are prohibited. So, much like a pile of coke, you wouldn't, as a reasonable person, consume either on, say, the pool deck. As with anything, proper discretion can get many things accomplished.

[imakemistaeks]

Here's a thought...

 

White drugs... like cocaine and methamphetamine, are not easily discovered when boarding a ship. Leaving one, perhaps, but boarding one? You can carry on pretty much anything under MARSEC 1 in a US port.

 

Most folks who choose to consume these things do so in the privacy of their cabin and understand the possession and consumption of same are prohibited.

 

To put that in context, e-cigs are prohibited. So, much like a pile of coke, you wouldn't, as a reasonable person, consume either on, say, the pool deck. As with anything, proper discretion can get many things accomplished.

 

Can you direct me to the designated "cocaine snorting" section of the ship? Is it portside?

[triptolemus]

Can you direct me to the designated "cocaine snorting" section of the ship? Is it portside?

 

Well... if you're on Pearl, that'd be Bliss Lounge, Deck 7, aft.

 

Edited September 30, 2015 by triptolemus

[OHCruiser]

I've always held that people can do to themselves whatever they choose--I am not my brother's keeper when it comes to someone doing something that may be harmful to their person, but, when what they choose to do has ANY effect on me, well, that's another story.

 

It's easy to minimize something when you don't know what it does to others [or even yourself] or, worse, don't care what it does to others [or yourself]. You can just dismiss sources that don't agree with you, bully people who don't agree with you, or circumvent rules that you don't like and don't want applied to you--we all remember middle school.

 

There IS evidence that secondhand vapor isn't just water, but instead, a new source of

Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) and ultrafine/fine particles in the environment. And, if the vapor contains nicotine, vaping produces thirdhand exposure to nicotine released from ESD aerosol that deposits on indoor surfaces--on the bedding, rugs, remote controls, etc......

 

http://no-smoke.org/pdf/ecigarette-secondhand-aerosol.pdf

 

Please, vape where you are allowed to vape--so the rest of us can see it and get away from it. Don't hide it from those of us who might have a reaction to it when unexpectedly confronted with vapor, particulates, or nicotine. We didn't sign up for the exposures that you've chosen.......

[Trynity]

Is that the new Jersey Shore Science?

 

possibly, as inspired by Einstein, the Princeton Professor

[LrgPizza]

I just think it looks stupid. I'd be embarrassed to walk around sucking on an e-cig. I'd just as soon hang out in a smoking area sucking on a Victory candy cigarette, as long as we are looking stupid. Either smoke, or quit.

 

[dd2355]

Since quitting smoking, even though I'm vaping, I can actually run again. I am running 3 miles a day, whereas when I smoked, I couldn't have even run down my hallway without wheezing. [...] you can't tell me that vaping is worse or just as bad as smoking..I will just simply disagree in an adult fashion without arguing

 

Thanks for the forthright answer. I was genuinely curious and thought it might be just the activity habit even after kicking the nicotine addiction. I'm not judging, it has to be less unhealthy than smoking tobacco.

 

Congrats on the running, it really does help in all aspects of life. Especially when you find you can walk up several decks of cruiseship staircases faster than waiting for the elevator and end up barely breathing hard... :D

[NLH Arizona]

I've always held that people can do to themselves whatever they choose--I am not my brother's keeper when it comes to someone doing something that may be harmful to their person, but, when what they choose to do has ANY effect on me, well, that's another story.

 

It's easy to minimize something when you don't know what it does to others [or even yourself] or, worse, don't care what it does to others [or yourself]. You can just dismiss sources that don't agree with you, bully people who don't agree with you, or circumvent rules that you don't like and don't want applied to you--we all remember middle school.

 

There IS evidence that secondhand vapor isn't just water, but instead, a new source of

Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) and ultrafine/fine particles in the environment. And, if the vapor contains nicotine, vaping produces thirdhand exposure to nicotine released from ESD aerosol that deposits on indoor surfaces--on the bedding, rugs, remote controls, etc......

 

http://no-smoke.org/pdf/ecigarette-secondhand-aerosol.pdf

 

Please, vape where you are allowed to vape--so the rest of us can see it and get away from it. Don't hide it from those of us who might have a reaction to it when unexpectedly confronted with vapor, particulates, or nicotine. We didn't sign up for the exposures that you've chosen.......

 

I remember when regular cigarettes were "safe" and there were even ads saying "physician tested, approved". Those that manufacture e-cigarettes are going to be biased and say that they are safe, those against e-cigarettes are going to be biased and say they are not. So who do we believe, I prefer to believe someone I trust.

 

Here is what the Mayo Clinic says about e-cigarettes:

 

Manufacturers claim that electronic cigarettes are a safe alternative to conventional cigarettes. However, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has questioned the safety of these products.

 

When the FDA analyzed samples of two popular brands, it found variable amounts of nicotine and traces of toxic chemicals, including known cancer-causing substances (carcinogens). This prompted the FDA to issue a warning about potential health risks associated with electronic cigarettes.

 

Until more is known about the potential risks, the safe play is to say no to electronic cigarettes. If you're looking for help to stop smoking, there are many FDA-approved medications that have been shown to be safe and effective for this purpose.

Edited September 30, 2015 by NLH Arizona

[cole]

It is my understanding that the information is not printed in the boarding materials, just in the FAQ section on the web. How can they hold people accountable if they are not informed of the restrictions. Don't get me wrong - I support the non-smoking rule.

Cole

[triptolemus]

possibly, as inspired by Einstein, the Princeton Professor

 

Well played. :)

[gerapau]

It is my understanding that the information is not printed in the boarding materials, just in the FAQ section on the web. How can they hold people accountable if they are not informed of the restrictions. Don't get me wrong - I support the non-smoking rule.

Cole

 

Where I live e-cigs are banned in all the same areas that regular cigarettes are banned. My understanding is that this is how they are currently treated in most areas so anyone using them should know to follow cigarette rules or at least ask before using them. It sounds from some of these posts that some users don't feel these rules apply to them though. Not surprising really.

[Demonyte]

It is my understanding that the information is not printed in the boarding materials, just in the FAQ section on the web. How can they hold people accountable if they are not informed of the restrictions. Don't get me wrong - I support the non-smoking rule.

Cole

 

From the NCL's Guest Ticket Contract:

 

"The Guest agrees to abide by the rules of the Carrier, including, but not limited to, the rules and regulations particularly set forth below, and to follow the lawful instructions of the vessel's officers and crew, at all times. The Guest accepts that failure to do so constitutes a material breach of this Contract which may subject the Guest, as well as any accompanying Guest(s), to involuntary disembarkation without liability whatsoever to the Carrier for any refund or any other related loss or expense to the Guest, and any accompanying Guest(s)."

 

From NCL's Guest Conduct Policy:

 

"

SMOKING

As the health and well-being of our guests and crew is of the utmost importance, Norwegian Cruise Line will institute changes to its smoking policy for

all sailings on or after November 1, 2014

. The specific changes prohibit smoking on stateroom balconies and limit smoking in the casino to players. On Norwegian Getaway and Norwegian Breakaway, smoking on The Waterfront will be permitted on the starboard side, except by the outdoor dining areas. Public areas throughout all our ships are smoke-free. If you smoke regular or electronic cigarettes, you can do so in designated areas only."

 

The Guest Conduct Policy is definitely available for reading onboard.

[OHCruiser]

I remember when regular cigarettes were "safe" and there were even ads saying "physician tested, approved". Those that manufacture e-cigarettes are going to be biased and say that they are safe, those against e-cigarettes are going to be biased and say they are not. So who do we believe, I prefer to believe someone I trust.

 

Here is what the Mayo Clinic says about e-cigarettes:........

 

Yes, back in 2013 at the headwaters of this issue, that is what the Mayo had to say.

 

The source I quoted is from 2015 and is packed with the more recent research findings SINCE 2013--and not "shabby" sources of research, either....New England Journal of Medicine, WHO, NIOSH, Journal of Clinical Oncology, American Public Health Association, etc.

 

So, we've learned a lot in just 2 years on this hot-button issue--and what we've learned is not good, either for the vaper OR those exposed to the vapor................

[perditax]

Research links please.

[NLH Arizona]

Yes, back in 2013 at the headwaters of this issue, that is what the Mayo had to say.

 

The source I quoted is from 2015 and is packed with the more recent research findings SINCE 2013--and not "shabby" sources of research, either....New England Journal of Medicine, WHO, NIOSH, Journal of Clinical Oncology, American Public Health Association, etc.

 

So, we've learned a lot in just 2 years on this hot-button issue--and what we've learned is not good, either for the vaper OR those exposed to the vapor................

I'm sure that is why today on their website, Mayo doesn't recommend using them.

[dd2355]

Research links please.

 

I haven't dug into the matter as I really don't care, I don't do e-cigs and nobody in my family does (that I know about).

 

However, I was glancing at Mayo Clinic's guidance on counseling patients on e-cigs and saw their references link, should be able to get you started.

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(14)00989-6/references

[perditax]

I haven't dug into the matter as I really don't care, I don't do e-cigs and nobody in my family does (that I know about).

 

 

 

However, I was glancing at Mayo Clinic's guidance on counseling patients on e-cigs and saw their references link, should be able to get you started.

 

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(14)00989-6/references

 

 

Thanks. On that first page I found this one:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25303892?dopt=Abstract

[OHCruiser]

Research links please.

 

Thirty references at the bottom of the pdf. All easily searchable for additional information not provided in the article.

 

http://no-smoke.org/pdf/ecigarette-s...nd-aerosol.pdf

[dd2355]

Thanks. On that first page I found this one:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25303892?dopt=Abstract

 

Yep. That abstract echos what I believe to be many people's thoughts, that the things are at least less harmful than smoking tobacco. It also echos many people's concerns, that "the health effects of long-term use are as yet unknown"

 

What percentage of people vaping aren't dosing themselves with nicotine?