One Ship Once A Month Smokefree

[beachbum53]

I think the time has come for Carnival, for that matter all cruiselines, to realize the attraction of a smokefree trip. Yes, it's been tried before. 20 years ago?? Raise the price a fair amount to compensate the Urban Myth of Bar and Casino Loss. Maybe their profit margin is so thin they can't afford to experiment. I'd be willing to go and try Carnival again. I would be in the Casino nightly, now on Carnival it's zero. I also understand they are experimenting with the smoke eaters but at what expense will it be? I also realize this is one of those touchy subjects but perhaps a civil discussion can happen. I am not in a smoke environment in my daily life so my expectations are to enjoy a smokefree vacation. In trade I would be willing to give up twice a day cleaning, chocolates on my pillow and tablecloths. But I draw the line at losing shrimp cocktail.

 

I don't think you've entirely thought this through. For the past 51 weeks leading up to your week of a non-smoking cruise, smoking has been allowed. Do you think the short amount of time between debarkation and embarkation would be enough time to clean and deodorize the casino, and other areas where smoking has been allowed, to make it acceptable to you and all of the other non-smoking passengers for your cruise? Although there would be no smokers in the casino with you for the week, what about the smell that would be in the carpet, the furniture, on the machines and on the walls? Would the lingering smell be a problem? I don't understand your remark about losing shrimp cocktail. To the best of my knowledge, shrimp cocktail is not served in the casino. It's only served in the MDR, and smoking is not allowed in the MDR.

[Purvis1231]

I hate smoking but I realize that smokers have the right to smoke at some places. As for the casino, smokers do spend more. This has been verified in several studies that is one reason it there are few smoke free land based casinos.

[faeriemom03]

Not sure how they would extinguish the biggest smoking object though; the funnel. Seems this doesn't bother you, or do you cruise in sailships?

 

Straw man argument. I'm pretty sure the ship doesn't have a nicotine habit. And you are not actively breathing that in, or in an enclosed space with it.

[boaterette]

I think the time has come for Carnival, for that matter all cruiselines, to realize the attraction of a smokefree trip. Yes, it's been tried before. 20 years ago?? Raise the price a fair amount to compensate the Urban Myth of Bar and Casino Loss. Maybe their profit margin is so thin they can't afford to experiment. I'd be willing to go and try Carnival again. I would be in the Casino nightly, now on Carnival it's zero. I also understand they are experimenting with the smoke eaters but at what expense will it be? I also realize this is one of those touchy subjects but perhaps a civil discussion can happen. I am not in a smoke environment in my daily life so my expectations are to enjoy a smokefree vacation. In trade I would be willing to give up twice a day cleaning, chocolates on my pillow and tablecloths. But I draw the line at losing shrimp cocktail.

 

You have that option now. For just a little more you can sail on Celebrity which has a smoke free casino. There are different lines offering different things that people like or want.

[OCruisers]

No way we would consider taking a cruise that had no areas where smoking was allowed.

[RuthlessBoss]

There is a guarantee that they were going to die some day.

I'm going to die some day. You'll die some day.

For me? I can only hope it's on my terms. Enjoying a smoke after my beer and bacon cheeseburger on a white sandy beach.

 

And those who spend their lifetime eating well and exercise to stay healthy die anyway. They just die of nothing!

[Saltz]

As much as I dislike the smell of cigarette smoke, we (dh and I) still go to the casino. We aren't big gamblers but we will stop by, walk around, and try a machine or two if we're not with the children. I would love if they'd do a night of a smoke free environment but I'd cruise with Carnival either way.

[ccruisequeen]

Princess gives up smoking in the casino on formal night. It's a good start

 

 

 

I no longer see carnival from my condo front porch :(

[bobsfamily]

Not sure how they would extinguish the biggest smoking object though; the funnel. Seems this doesn't bother you, or do you cruise in sail ships?

 

Straw man argument. I'm pretty sure the ship doesn't have a nicotine habit. And you are not actively breathing that in, or in an enclosed space with it.

 

I hear this all the time - Straw man argument..... uh huh...

 

Soooo a HUGE funnel that shoots out massive amounts of smoke into the air that when at rest floats down onto the ship - ask the residents of downtown Charleston and their lawyers, who have been fighting to stop a new terminal downtown for Carnival and are using that very argument - and all the cruisers. That smoke has all kinds of "evil" stuff in it as the fuel being burnt is of the cheapest kind made - bunker fuel.

 

I don't care about the smoking questions so much as I find it so crazy when you have this thing above you pumping out all kinds of "second hand smoke", that according to balcony cruisers can linger at full speed. So even at sea you have it "floating" down on your head whenever outside, wearing it inside and causing all your fellow cruisers to inhale 2nd hand smoke right off your clothes!

 

No straw man argument, just facts... the facts are that anyone who complains about 2nd hand smoke on a cruise SHIP is just fooling themselves if they don't count the biggest one right above them.

WindStar or another Sail Boat cruise would be the best for NO smoking....

[golfb4cruzing]

I've been busy all day and some great responses. We do cruise on Princess now for the last 4 years and will continue to do so for several reasons. While we aren't massive gamblers, when in Rome, as they say. We set a Casino limit and on those smoke free nights we are in there donating our budget and then usually some more. I hope the smoke eaters are everything promised. We lived in Maine for a couple of years and the local bowling alley made a small enclosed glass room for smoking. Truly a sight to see, wall to wall smokers. You could have gone in there and not lit up. But to each his own. If the cruiselines somehow separated the "smoke free" area, even better. But if you smoke, more power to you. The wife is in Oncology and you should research the cost of newest chemo drugs. At least you keep her employed and we keep cruising. Thanks for keeping this civil. I thought the answer from across the Pond was spot on. The Tobacco Lobbyists are strong but are losing more each year. Happy Cruising.

[cynalan]

And those who spend their lifetime eating well and exercise to stay healthy die anyway. They just die of nothing!

 

Well that has to be one of the most intelligent things I've read today (he said, tongue firmly planted in cheek.) lol

[johnlisac]

I've been busy all day and some great responses. We do cruise on Princess now for the last 4 years and will continue to do so for several reasons. While we aren't massive gamblers, when in Rome, as they say. We set a Casino limit and on those smoke free nights we are in there donating our budget and then usually some more. I hope the smoke eaters are everything promised. We lived in Maine for a couple of years and the local bowling alley made a small enclosed glass room for smoking. Truly a sight to see, wall to wall smokers. You could have gone in there and not lit up. But to each his own. If the cruiselines somehow separated the "smoke free" area, even better. But if you smoke, more power to you. The wife is in Oncology and you should research the cost of newest chemo drugs. At least you keep her employed and we keep cruising. Thanks for keeping this civil. I thought the answer from across the Pond was spot on. The Tobacco Lobbyists are strong but are losing more each year. Happy Cruising.

Wow what a good way of being sarcastic without being sarcastic. And being civil about the whole thing!!!

 

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[Je Souhaite]

"Dictating"- really don't you think that is just a tad over dramatic. OP was just tossing an idea out there. Even with his or her proposal there would still be plenty of opportunity to get your cancer stick on.

 

I don't smoke. My argument is knowing all my fellow passengers have habits that may irritate others, and that you are not sailing separated from them.

 

Straw man argument. I'm pretty sure the ship doesn't have a nicotine habit. And you are not actively breathing that in, or in an enclosed space with it.

 

First time I've ever seen nicotine brought into a second hand smoke discussion about smoking. But to think that you are not actively breathing it in, you should learn ship dynamics.

[Je Souhaite]

I don't understand why people think the two are comparable. They're not even close to the same thing and you can't even smell the ship exhaust since it's up so high and no one has to sit in an enclosed room with the funnel. If ships designed a smoking room up there with the funnel, I don't think anyone would complain. Great idea!

 

So when the ship is sailing at 22 knots, and there's a tailwind of 22 knots, what direction do you think the smoke goes?

 

You sound like you're one of those individuals that think smoke on a balcony goes aft as well.

 

And ever stand for up the pool, way up top, and look aft, and see the exhaust from the stack ripping sideways into a spiral, hitting the side of the ship as it wraps around?

[cruzeluver]

Just read both pages of this thread hoping something new has been brought to this well-worn topic. Oh well. Ever the optimist! :p

[tigresslea]

So when the ship is sailing at 22 knots, and there's a tailwind of 22 knots, what direction do you think the smoke goes?

 

You sound like you're one of those individuals that think smoke on a balcony goes aft as well.

 

And ever stand for up the pool, way up top, and look aft, and see the exhaust from the stack ripping sideways into a spiral, hitting the side of the ship as it wraps around?

 

No, I'm one if those who thinks smoke on balconies is now banned and I'm happier for it. All I know is, I never had an issue with the ship's smoke stack before but that's besides the point. If we want the ship to get where it's going, it's got to smoke. Smokers, on the other hand, are not going to stop working simply because they can't light up anywhere they want. Comparing the two is ridiculous.

[faeriemom03]

First time I've ever seen nicotine brought into a second hand smoke discussion about smoking. But to think that you are not actively breathing it in, you should learn ship dynamics.

 

It's still apples and oranges. I live next to a highway. I am positive that I'm breathing in exhaust emissions there too. But there is no discernible scent or visible smoke in the air. It is detrimental to the environment, but the personal impact on my health is low and slow. It may have an effect, but I do not notice it. Second-hand smoke, on the other hand (heh), is visible, has an odor, and physically makes me feel as though I am breathing in something harmful. When people are outside it has less of an impact to me personally, but in an enclosed space, like a casino, it impacts everyone in the area. I do not gamble, but to walk past a smoke filled casino, I have to hold my breath. Second hand smoke is actively and immediately dangerous to human beings. (So is first hand smoke!! And Third!) carbon emissions have less of an immediate impact. (I watched my mother die a not-peaceful death thanks to her 40 year smoking habit. That was a direct consequence of cigarette smoke. Not carbon emissions.) if you want to speak scientifically, then do it, but to so causally compare cigarette smoke to smokestack emissions is still, and will always be, a straw man.

 

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/

[klfrodo]

First time I've ever seen nicotine brought into a second hand smoke discussion about smoking. But to think that you are not actively breathing it in, you should learn ship dynamics.

 

It's still apples and oranges. I live next to a highway. I am positive that I'm breathing in exhaust emissions there too. But there is no discernible scent or visible smoke in the air. It is detrimental to the environment, but the personal impact on my health is low and slow. It may have an effect, but I do not notice it. Second-hand smoke, on the other hand (heh), is visible, has an odor, and physically makes me feel as though I am breathing in something harmful. When people are outside it has less of an impact to me personally, but in an enclosed space, like a casino, it impacts everyone in the area. I do not gamble, but to walk past a smoke filled casino, I have to hold my breath. Second hand smoke is actively and immediately dangerous to human beings. (So is first hand smoke!! And Third!) carbon emissions have less of an immediate impact. (I watched my mother die a not-peaceful death thanks to her 40 year smoking habit. That was a direct consequence of cigarette smoke. Not carbon emissions.) if you want to speak scientifically, then do it, but to so causally compare cigarette smoke to smokestack emissions is still, and will always be, a straw man.

 

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/

 

I read your study, hope you'll consider reading the other side.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/12/12/study-finds-no-link-between-secondhand-smoke-and-cancer/#6d358754623f

[faeriemom03]

I will have to do more digging into that, thank you. But it's hardly "the other side". In fact, it bolsters my position. I never said the only thing to worry about was lung cancer. I also have a daughter with asthma. I am taking her on her first cruise next year. We will have to be careful to avoid the casino and the surrounding area. If we were on land, that would be less of an inconvenience, but on a ship, where there is only so many places to go to avoid it, it becomes a bit harder.

 

Smoking is not a right. It is not a need. (I'm not talking about addiction.) No one is forced to start smoking in the first place. If the consequences affected those who choose to smoke exclusively, then I couldn't care less what they did. But it affects people around them as well. So at what point do we finally say "your desire to smoke while gambling doesn't trump this person's desire to gamble without having an asthma attack." I don't expect anyone to ban smoking. There's too much money in it. But they can say "if you choose to smoke, step outside, then come back in and gamble." Inconvenient for smokers, sure, but you wouldn't close yourself in a room with someone doing something dangerous that may affect you on purpose. At least that's what logic tells us.

[RWolver672]

I guess all of the people that complain about smoke in the casino on ships have never been to a land based casino. You can smell cigarette smoke the instant you open the door at the casinos around here.

[faeriemom03]

I guess all of the people that complain about smoke in the casino on ships have never been to a land based casino. You can smell cigarette smoke the instant you open the door at the casinos around here.

 

I haven't. Though you make a good point. I would be pleased if they put doors on the casinos. Then the people who don't want to be around smoke could choose not to go in. As it is now, we still have to walk through.

[golfb4cruzing]

You are correct, we do not do land Casinos. We have a brand new one in Cleveland but smoking is allowed. The difference is I can avoid it and not spend a thousand dollars for a week. Some ships there is no choice but to go through the Casino. Smoke is not contained within it's four walls and travels the corridors and even up a level. If I can avoid it, fine. If not, then I have something to say. Instead of cigs, what if it was C4.?

[tigresslea]

I guess all of the people that complain about smoke in the casino on ships have never been to a land based casino. You can smell cigarette smoke the instant you open the door at the casinos around here.

 

It's true. I was just walking through one here yesterday. Green Valley Ranch, it's a very nice one but the smoke walking through just to get to the restaurant is horrible. There's no way around it. But, as bad as it was, it's still in a big, open, well-ventilated area... unlike the small, poorly ventilated casinos on a ship.

[RuthlessBoss]

I will have to do more digging into that, thank you. But it's hardly "the other side". In fact, it bolsters my position. I never said the only thing to worry about was lung cancer. I also have a daughter with asthma. I am taking her on her first cruise next year. We will have to be careful to avoid the casino and the surrounding area. If we were on land, that would be less of an inconvenience, but on a ship, where there is only so many places to go to avoid it, it becomes a bit harder.

 

Smoking is not a right. It is not a need. (I'm not talking about addiction.) No one is forced to start smoking in the first place. If the consequences affected those who choose to smoke exclusively, then I couldn't care less what they did. But it affects people around them as well. So at what point do we finally say "your desire to smoke while gambling doesn't trump this person's desire to gamble without having an asthma attack." I don't expect anyone to ban smoking. There's too much money in it. But they can say "if you choose to smoke, step outside, then come back in and gamble." Inconvenient for smokers, sure, but you wouldn't close yourself in a room with someone doing something dangerous that may affect you on purpose. At least that's what logic tells us.

 

You are losing credibility in your statements. What do you mean by "there are just so many places you can go?" Why would you take an asthmatic child on a cruise you think is so bad? Was the asthma caused by someone smoking around her? Why should a smoker step outside because someone else has a breathing problem? Sounds to me the affected person should just avoid the casino. You have 90 to 95% of a ship smoke free.

[countrygirlcruiser1234]

I don't understand why people cant be happy with 95% of the ship non smoking. What makes you so selfish that your rights are more important than another persons. Smoking is legal. We smoke where we are aloud to smoke yet this is not good enough...non smokers want more more more. you sit in chairs on the smoking side of outdoor decks and then complain about the smoke. you wanted non smoking balconies and now you have them and when smokers go to the casino to smoke you complain about that. It must be exhausting to complain that much, besides how much of your life you waste by complaining. Be happy, learn to let things go.