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It is not just packing for a few months. It is also about how and where you travel. We certainly do not want to lug, nor can we, filled to the brim 26 inch suitcases onto trains, ferries, lift the in and out of rental cars or carry them up two flights of stairs. We started to cut down based on necessity. It soon changed to doing based to ease of travel and preference after a trip or two.

 

For many this is not just about how long they travel. It is about where they travel, how they travel, and what they can physically handle on their own.

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I don't know if I'm a member of the so-called 'style police' or not, but I do know that I can't manage more than one suitcase.

I fly to ports, including those on far-flung continents, for cruises ranging in temperatures from very hot & humid to frigid Antarctica on the same cruise. For periods up to 39 days (so far).

 

I have separate wardrobes for daytime and evening, in (a-hem) larger sizes).

I know for a fact that dressing appropriately for the occasion can be done, if one wants to.

 

Ruth, you are absolutely, positively spot on here. Also, your comments about charity shops are on the money ... no pun intended. When people suggest that to cruisers not wanting to buy an item that they might never use again, they are being helpful not snarky.

 

(By the way, shortly after we were married my husband took me on a business trip to Europe that we added two weeks of vacation onto. We were going to be attending business dinners, sightseeing tours, etc. As I prepared to pack, he wisely told me “you can take anything that you can carry your self! Call Tatian by the way, shortly after we were married my husband took me on a business trip to Europe that we added two weeks of vacation onto. We were going to be attending business dinners, sightseeing tours, etc. As I prepared to pack, he wisely told me “you can take anything that you can carry yourself!’ Since then I have always been able to pack everything I need for all locations in one suitcase. It can be done without a lot of effort!

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We have just booked our 7th cruise with Holland America. I remember doing so much research prior to our first cruise about clothing and what was permitted. We have 4 children and have to fly so are limited to how much luggage we can take. (and are willing to take!!) Our first cruise I packed numerous dressy clothes for all of us for the dining room. I think maybe we wore 1/4 of what we took. I stressed about keeping the clothing police happy. I must say, after that cruise, we scaled way back and now travel carry on only! We do not care what others think and find we often chose to eat at the buffet many evenings. We take dockers and a golf shirt for our sons and a sundress for our daughter incase we do decide to go to the dining room a time or two. It is a fancy dining room and we wouldn't feel comfortable in jeans and t shirts but we have seen others even in tattered jean shorts and t shirts. Wear what you are comfortable in and enjoy your trip!

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Your boys will need a collared shirt. Tee shirt (short or long sleeved) are not allowed.

 

The Main Dining Room on HAL is considered to be a fine dining restaurant by HAL.

 

In the dining room you will have white table clothes, china, and fresh flowers on every table. Service will be impeccable.

 

 

This. ^^^^

 

The following was shared with me by a friend whose husband is a bridge officer: It's a very appreciated sign of respect for the ship, crew and officers when passengers dress well.

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Agree. We think that the entire clothes discussion is much ado about nothing. Who really reads or cares about all the comments about attire? I would suggest very, very few. And an even smaller number of cruisers actually bother reading this post. It is akin to spitting in the wind.

 

When we started traveling with our children there was one rule which we both have always followed. You pack it, you carry it. It worked wonders with our daughter.

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It is not just packing for a few months. It is also about how and where you travel. We certainly do not want to lug, nor can we, filled to the brim 26 inch suitcases onto trains, ferries, lift the in and out of rental cars or carry them up two flights of stairs.
This is a good point. We could splurge and have a black car take us to the airport, but Atlanta traffic is so bad that it would take twice as long as taking mass transit. So we have to be able to maneuver our luggage out of the parking garage, through the turnstiles, up onto the platform, and then into the train, being sure to have a place for it so others can use the train for commuting to work.

 

You literally never know the path others have taken to get to where you personally encounter them.

 

Who really reads or cares about all the comments about attire? I would suggest very, very few. And an even smaller number of cruisers actually bother reading this post. It is akin to spitting in the wind.
Perhaps, but I think you're not being fair to the folks that other posters have referred to as the "style police". I don't doubt their sincerity. They really do believe what they post, and care very much about others abiding by their preferences. They may be way off-base, but I wouldn't doubt that they think that they're in the right.

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Exactly. Those people who cannot seem to understand why anyone would travel with carry on only should try running for a train in Italy when the elevator is usually broken. You need to go up and down the steps of the subway in order to get to the next platform. Then hoist your bag on to the rail car and/or up into the baggage area. Or lifting you bag in and out of fast ferry speed boats or long tail boats in Thailand in order to get to your destination.

 

It is not always airport baggage carts, taxis, porters, four star plus hotels, or the ability to check your bags.

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Exactly. Those people who cannot seem to understand why anyone would travel with carry on only should try running for a train in Italy when the elevator is usually broken. You need to go up and down the steps of the subway in order to get to the next platform. Then hoist your bag on to the rail car and/or up into the baggage area. Or lifting you bag in and out of fast ferry speed boats or long tail boats in Thailand in order to get to your destination.

 

It is not always airport baggage carts, taxis, porters, four star plus hotels, or the ability to check your bags.

 

So true iancal, we are both in our mid 70’s and when we travel 24+ hours to get to the other wide of the world, we don't just go on a cruise, we see and do as much as we can. That includes trains, planes, coaches, ferries and foot. Last time it was for 10 weeks which included a 22 day cruise, therefore 4 gala nights. We wore the basic HAL suggestion. Collared shirt and slacks for DH and slacks and glittery top for me.

For some, the Gala nights seem to be the highlight of their cruise, not for us. It is just another meal with covered chairs and an extra course on the menu. We are not complaining, HAL is what we choose and we are happy. It seems that the style police are the ones that are not happy that we don't lug a tux and ballgown around for 10 weeks to wear on just 4 nights.

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To each his or her own;I do dress up-maybe not to evening gown and tux levels(sorry fashion police) but there has been a lot of "this is special." It is;sorry,it WAS..we're not in the 19th century anymore

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I do dress up-maybe not to evening gown and tux levels(sorry fashion police) ....

There is quite a range between 'gown and tux' and the smart casual requested by the cruise line.

 

Gala nights are the only nights that some people can bring themselves up to even the smart casual level. Some people can't even manage it then. That's more of what you call the 'fashion police' are referring to.

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I’m not the fashion police. When I retired, I wanted no part of suit and tie. But I understand that looking better than a t shirt and jeans shows respect for fellow diners, and respect for the cruising experience. If we need a more casual experience after a busy port, or because we just feel like we don’t need the more formal multi course spread in the MDR, there’s always the Lido. I thought that when HAL changed to smart casual, similar to many work environments, it was an improvement, and recognition of changing norms. There are other losses of cruise tradition, like specialty nights in the MDR and waiters on the Promenade deck. But, we keep cruising HAL because of the balance. Mostly what people wear is their own business, but I do think that a little effort goes a long way to show respect for fellow table mates.

 

 

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For MANY years, I wore the gowns and DH , the tuxedos NOT now. I would not dream of lugging a gown to a ship these days. Now, at the most, a cocktail dress, silk or crepe pants or skirt. tasteful blous,e, top, n ice shoes. and evening bag. Works fine for me and seems to be satisfactory to most.

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I’m not the fashion police. When I retired, I wanted no part of suit and tie. But I understand that looking better than a t shirt and jeans shows respect for fellow diners, and respect for the cruising experience.
I think you've got the matter of respect backwards. One cannot legitimately expect respect if they aren't willing to give respect, and that respect we all must give includes acknowledging the actual dress code and what it actually requires, and as a result acknowledging that, for example, someone wearing brand new jeans in the dining room on smart casual night *is* showing respect for fellow diners, and respect for the cruising experience.

 

I wear slacks and a button down dress shirt on smart casual nights. Those wearing jeans aren't underdressed. I am overdressed.

 

 

 

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The dress code police are a legend /authority in their own minds..and only exist on the HAL boards here.

 

 

 

Ha! Check out Cunard's discussions sometime! Lord have mercy!

 

 

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Ha! Check out Cunard's discussions sometime! Lord have mercy!

 

 

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I can believe that;there are a few(operative word being "few', but they're vocal)that would have HAL be a clone of Cunard. No thanks.;)

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I can believe that;there are a few(operative word being "few', but they're vocal)that would have HAL be a clone of HAL. No thanks.;)

 

 

HUH ?:confused:

 

 

 

" HAL b e a clone

 

 

of HAL ? "

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Thank you to those of you who simply stated HAL's policy without interjecting your opinion.

 

And the really cool thing about this is that you could have found this same information yourself on HAL's website, and in their 'Know Before You Go' booklet. ;)

 

 

Doing this (simple) research yourself would have avoided stirring up the 'wrath' of folks on these boards... as this topic always does.

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And the really cool thing about this is that you could have found this same information yourself on HAL's website, and in their 'Know Before You Go' booklet. ;)

 

 

Doing this (simple) research yourself would have avoided stirring up the 'wrath' of folks on these boards... as this topic always does.

 

 

 

I have seen no 'wrath' in this thread, and wonder about the reference to such?

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Dress code threads *absolutelty*set people off.Holy Berzerk button,Batman! I don't doubt that a simple question about dress codes has scared a lot of people off as a result.

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And the really cool thing about this is that you could have found this same information yourself on HAL's website, and in their 'Know Before You Go' booklet. ;)

 

 

Doing this (simple) research yourself would have avoided stirring up the 'wrath' of folks on these boards... as this topic always does.

Given the fact that there is frequently a difference between the rules that HAL publishes on its website and their application/interpretation aboard ship, I'd argue that the OP was wise to seek additional information on CC to establish the current reality of the situation.

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Given the fact that there is frequently a difference between the rules that HAL publishes on its website and their application/interpretation aboard ship, I'd argue that the OP was wise to seek additional information on CC to establish the current reality of the situation.

 

I'd say it's a double edged sword, at best.Around here, there IS such a thing as a "stupid question":confused:

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I wear slacks and a button down dress shirt on smart casual nights. Those wearing jeans aren't underdressed. I am overdressed.

 

No one will ever be considered overdressed when wearing slacks and a button down shirt unless acting in a porn movie. ;p;p;p

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Given the fact that there is frequently a difference between the rules that HAL publishes on its website and their application/interpretation aboard ship, I'd argue that the OP was wise to seek additional information on CC to establish the current reality of the situation.

 

Good point - with the vagaries of "suggested" as opposed to "required" attire - and the unlikelihood of enforcement, "field research" conducted by polling people with experience makes sense.

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No one will ever be considered overdressed when wearing slacks and a button down shirt unless acting in a porn movie. ;p;p;p

 

Great. Now, whenever I see someone in slacks and a button-down shirt, I will be thinking boom-chicka-wow-wah.

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I have seen no 'wrath' in this thread, and wonder about the reference to such?

 

It's in the tone of several posts in this thread, not difficult to see at all.

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^This. Another dress code thread, and the opinions come out..and boy are they..opinionated.Nothing new.Nothing to see here.Heh.

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It's in the tone of several posts in this thread, not difficult to see at all.
I agree.

 

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Given the fact that there is frequently a difference between the rules that HAL publishes on its website and their application/interpretation aboard ship, I'd argue that the OP was wise to seek additional information on CC to establish the current reality of the situation.

 

Yeah, like one can hang their hat on the 'additional information' they read on these threads, as if it was gospel...right.:rolleyes:

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A busy Thread, I see. Just got off the Eurodam on Saturday, surely saw all dress codes worn in the MDR, even the Pinnacle. Saw one person wearing jean shorts, flip-flops and polo shirt to dinner. Fine with everyone it seemed....

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I think that some people have a real problem with jeans in particular jeans in the dining room.

 

Perhaps they don't get out much or do not live in an urban area and have the opportunity to see the changing styles.

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Denim tends to stretch between washings. Jeans fit and look different after wearing a few times than they did right after they were washed and dried. They’re not such a great choice for travel. Other types of trousers are more consistent in how they look and fit between washings.

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Yeah, like one can hang their hat on the 'additional information' they read on these threads, as if it was gospel...right.:rolleyes:

 

A busy Thread, I see. Just got off the Eurodam on Saturday, surely saw all dress codes worn in the MDR, even the Pinnacle. Saw one person wearing jean shorts, flip-flops and polo shirt to dinner. Fine with everyone it seemed....

As I said, there's what HAL says on its website (that some apparently take as Gospel) and then there's the reality of what passengers actually experience aboard.

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Some t-shirts for the kids are just as dressy nowadays as polos. There are nice striped and dressier t-shirts that many kids have worn in the MDR without a problem. The kids sometimes leave the MDR after they are done eating to go to the kids area so having to change out of really dressy clothes is a waste of time and effort. It is a vacation so no need to make the kids uncomfortable wearing something they wouldn't normally and possibly ruining your night. Let the kids be kids and enjoy their vacation as well. Have a wonderful trip!

 

FYI-You will get eye rolls just for having a kid on a Holland America cruise as we have many times before so it really doesn't matter what they wear :)

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This is my first cruise and I was really looking forward to gala night, I even bought a new long evening dress for it. Now I'm wondering if it is even worth packing it!

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This is my first cruise and I was really looking forward to gala night, I even bought a new long evening dress for it. Now I'm wondering if it is even worth packing it!

 

If that is what you were planning to do take it. Much depends on where you are going. I am going to Alaska and it sounds as if not as many people dress up real fancy. Go for it. Even where I live, casual Maui, we see all types in fine dining places. Some dress really fancy, and others look like they just came off of the beach. Lol

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No one will ever be considered overdressed when wearing slacks and a button down shirt unless acting in a porn movie. ;p;p;p

 

A classic example of the 'fashion police'... I rest my case..:rolleyes:

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I will be thinking boom-chicka-wow-wah.

 

Huh?!:confused::rolleyes:

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Saw one person wearing jean shorts, flip-flops and polo shirt to dinner. Fine with everyone it seemed....

 

Need more context here in terms of where, when and on which night.:confused:

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Perhaps they don't get out much

 

What? Care to elaborate on this comment a bit further?:o:rolleyes:

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As I said, there's the reality of what passengers actually experience aboard.

 

And since 'what passengers actually experience aboard' is suspect by definition (i.e. subjective), one should first discount these observations outright (as not true 'reality'), than try to whittle out what represents true reality, which is somewhere in the middle.

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