Is muster drill on Oasis realistic?

[AmazedByCruising]

What if the fire knocks out the tv or Wi-Fi in the cabin?

 

Then you are in your room waiting for instruction from?

 

 

That would be extremely unlikely. First we hit an iceberg (1 in a billion), then the TV doesn't work either (another 1 in a million).

 

 

Going to the muster station is the best way to get info to a lot of people at once and to corral them to safety. Sorry if you don't like crying babies, but I'd like to avoid being drowned in my cabin.

 

Drowning in your cabin adds another one in a million.

 

Anyway, a TV is a perfect way to give out information to everyone on a ship. Not having screaming babies around so you can actually hear the message would be nice as well.

[chengkp75]

Thank you again for your further explaination.

 

Not the PA, the TV. The same TV that knows what drink I bought 5 minutes ago should be able to tell me what t do.

 

 

To be certain, whatever happens to a ship (fire. iceberg, crazy Captain), we're always talking about hours to evacuate?

 

By no means. How long does muster drill take? A half hour? Add about 30 minutes to get everyone into the boats and launched. Now, should the muster be called long before this 1 hour evacuation window? Definitely, but the process should not take more than 90 minutes.

 

Some people will be 5 minutes late because they needed to find their passport. Some will run to any lifeboat. However, I expect the majority to listen to the Captain, and it would be as smooth as a normal disembarkation.

 

Again, here is your fallacy, disembarkation takes hours, not an evacuation. And disembarkation doesn't require a group to wait until everyone in many different parties gets to the gangway before they can leave the ship. Could you load lifeboats just as people show up? Sure. Does this aid in knowing who is in each boat to determine who is missing if a boat is not found or whatever? No. Does this aid in knowing who is still on the ship? No. And don't think that "technology" like card readers is going to solve this problem, because some will not have their cards, readers may not work, and anyway, the data is stored on the ship, which is being abandoned.

 

There's no difference with the usual procedure? Even if one passenger doesn't show up, every cabin needs the same checking. With just 100 crew, 1500 cabins, 30 seconds per cabin (I guess the button to open every door would be pressed) that's less than 10 minutes.

 

There is no "button" to open all the doors (this isn't Alcatraz). The crew have grand master key cards (this emergency set is kept in the Captain's safe until sent to the evacuation teams in an emergency). In the normal procedure, the cabins are empty and the passageways are empty, in your case, they are not only checking the cabins, but herding the passengers along, and also double checking to see that no one slips around and goes back for that passport.

 

Knowing the location of the muster station is one thing that is forced on us, but you cannot expect passengers, people simply expecting a floating hotel as their vacation, thinking of places where a fire could break out and figuring out what alternative routes would lead to safety.

 

In the final analysis, the person most responsible for their own safety and survival is the one who looks back at them in the mirror in the morning. If people don't care to take the time to think about their own safety, then they will have to live with potential consequences. The crew are well trained, and will do what is necessary to try to ensure that everyone gets out okay, but there will always be passengers who do the stupid thing, or the crew that despite training will not perform well in an actual emergency (no one ever knows how they will respond in a life threatening emergency until you actually face one). There is also a unique aspect of triage in a shipboard emergency. Land fire fighters are trained to drop what they are doing and get victims out of the fire as a first priority. That's because there is a place for people to go out of the fire (outdoors). On a ship, there really isn't any place to go (until a minimum of an hour to get everyone into the boats), so the fire teams are taught to find a victim, call for backup to get the victim out, but to continue to deal with the fire as their priority, as this benefits thousands of people, rather than just one. These are the cold, hard facts of emergencies on ships, and if people don't realize that, then maybe they shouldn't be cruising. Thinking of a cruise ship as simply a "floating hotel", while I'm sure extremely common, is incredibly naive. My suggestion is for those who take their own safety seriously, and that of their family. Those who simply want to party will be those who delay the muster and evacuation, and will cause hardship for the crew in completing their emergency duties in trying to save these same people from themselves.

[chengkp75]

That would be extremely unlikely. First we hit an iceberg (1 in a billion), then the TV doesn't work either (another 1 in a million).

 

 

 

 

Drowning in your cabin adds another one in a million.

 

Anyway, a TV is a perfect way to give out information to everyone on a ship. Not having screaming babies around so you can actually hear the message would be nice as well.

 

How does the TV signal get to your cabin TV? By cable. From where? A central communications center, frequently near the bridge. How did the Carnival Splendor and Carnival Triumph manage to lose all power from a fire in one of two separate engine rooms? Because the fire in one engine room burned the cables carrying power from the other engine room to the central switchboard room where the power is distributed. Is this a one in a million chance? Nope, it was bound to happen given the design of the ship. So, if the TV central is in fire zone 1, and the fire is in zone 2, what is to keep the fire from burning the TV cables that lead through zone 2 to the rest of the ship aft of the fire? Why use "low tech" PA systems for announcements? Because they are low power, unlike thousands of TV's, and can and do have a battery backup so that if the power goes out, there is still power for this. And how do you ensure the TV is turned on, so the people in the cabin can get the information?

[S.A.M.J.R.]

Well, not advocating. But I'm sure they already can for a percentage by using Wifi data, and it would surprise me if they aren't using that to extract patterns from passenger behaviour. "People who exit the theatre on port side will find a bar on their way to their room and order 10% more drinks". "John has visited the casino but didn't play. Send him an invite to the lottery." When the technology is cheap enough, on a ship already filled with cameras, I'm sure they will use that data. I have no illusions anymore about not being tracked 24/7. Stores recognize my phone and know I was there a year ago and bought new shoes. No way cruise lines are not going to use such technology (or already are).

You're missing my point. The purpose of the muster stations is to do a head count... to know where the passengers are and that they're all accounted for. According to you, they can use the security footage. The problem is you're not going to use the security footage until you know who you're looking for. Sure, they may know "30% of passengers go to the Schooner Lounge after a show", but they're not going to know "John Smith went to the Schooner Lounge" unless they're specifically looking for John Smith.

 

So, how do they know they need to look for John Smith? If he doesn't appear at his muster station. So, let's say the muster station is the room. You have to give time for everyone to get to the rooms before you start your count. Otherwise, you look at room 1020, everyone is there,, 1021, no one is there. 1022 has two out of three, 1023 has three out of five. Now, are those missing people truly missing, or just haven't gotten back to their room yet? Do you have to keep rechecking the rooms to see if they showed up? Or do you notify the bridge "we need to find John and Jane Smith, George Jones, Suzanne Gonzalez, and Jennifer O'Malley"? By the time they pull up the security footage, John Smith and George Jones showed up at their rooms.

 

With a central muster station, you can start checking people off as they arrive.

 

I get it, you're trying to make things easier on the passengers. But that doesn't mean it's the most efficient way of doing things. And in an emergency, efficiency is best.

[SRF]

And families will tend to group together in one cabin, even if there are multiple.

 

This is a science, and had been studied, modeled, and even tested MANY times.

 

They do know what they are going.

 

As for people doing what they are supposed to watch this -

 

These are people in the cabin, evacuating after a crash in Dubai. Hmmm, how many are trying to actually exit the plane, versus those trying to gather up all their belongings.

[geomancer]

Too many people making the false assumption that passengers will listen to instructions. :')

 

 

What do all these photos have in common... Life and death situations where seconds matter. And they've taken the time to grab their luggage and delay the people behind them.

 

I'm not so sure sending people to their cabins is the best idea.

 

 

[ryano]

go away.

 

 

lol! :'):'):')

[CarpeCerevisi]

 

Dealing with passengers is like herding cats. Yet, if you can get all the cats from the hoarder's house into one room, you have a better chance of capturing them all, in a shorter time, than if they are scattered around the house. Having the passengers in relatively small areas allows for better coordination of the emergency teams and for better control when things go sideways (remember von Moltke) and you have to start improvising on where to move folks to keep them safe.

 

 

No plan survives contact with the enemy.

 

 

 

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[island lady]

Not done for passenger convenience, but to allow another deck of balcony cabins above the boats. This also places the boats outboard on the ship and more vulnerable to damage in heavy weather. Oasis damaged the first boat on each side on her maiden crossing, and this led to the addition of a "fairing" in front of the boats to deflect seas away from the boats.

 

Ahh..thanks. Good point. And as always...I also appreciate your very good information. :)

 

And didn't Allure then brag that they were "larger" then first sister Oasis when they did that. ;)

 

BTW: Love the "herding cats" reference. Sooo true!! ;)