caroltovt Posted July 10, 2020 #1 Share Posted July 10, 2020 carnival has announced that 13 ships will be gone from the fleet. does anyone expect one of them to be from Cunard? or will the new ship be delayed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemarble Posted July 11, 2020 #2 Share Posted July 11, 2020 I don't expect any of the Cunard ships to be included in the 13 ships Carnival is selling or "recycling". I think we have a pretty good handle on 6 of those 13 ships. They are mentioned in the Cruise Critic article Carnival Corporation to Dispose of 13 Cruise Ships, Eyes Restart in Italy. Those 6 ships are Costa Atlantica Costa Mediterranea Costa Victoria Oceana Pacific Aria Pacific Dawn I've been reading some of the speculation concerning the other 7 ships. An article from a few weeks ago on another travel website (which I might not be able to mention here) makes a case that these other 9 ships within the Carnival brands could be the most vulnerable. Please keep in mind this is only speculation at this point. Carnival Fantasy Carnival Elation Carnival Inspiration Costa neoRomantica Maasdam Veendam Pacific Princess Sun Princess Sea Princess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiband Posted July 11, 2020 #3 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Have a few million stashed in a bedroom safe? You could pick up a bargain: Cruise ships for sale The names have been photoshopped out but with a little research you can figure out which ones are to be unloaded. I don't know who is buying except perhaps China. It makes financial sense to sell off older ships especially since it may take a while for bookings to return to their pre-covid levels. As a ship ages the maintenance increases. (QE2, though dearly loved, had become a money pit for Carnival.) It is unfortunate for those who may have wanted to take a final voyage on their favorite ship because now they won't have that opportunity. And yes, the new ship is delayed. The same report stated that 2022 newbuilds are pushed back to 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted July 11, 2020 #4 Share Posted July 11, 2020 7 hours ago, BlueRiband said: Have a few million stashed in a bedroom safe? You could pick up a bargain: Cruise ships for sale The names have been photoshopped out but with a little research you can figure out which ones are to be unloaded. I don't know who is buying except perhaps China. It makes financial sense to sell off older ships especially since it may take a while for bookings to return to their pre-covid levels. As a ship ages the maintenance increases. (QE2, though dearly loved, had become a money pit for Carnival.) It is unfortunate for those who may have wanted to take a final voyage on their favorite ship because now they won't have that opportunity. And yes, the new ship is delayed. The same report stated that 2022 new builds are pushed back to 2023. It states in Carnival's statement that new build ships in 2022/23 will be delayed so expect Cunard's new build due in 2022 to be delayed until 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiband Posted July 11, 2020 #5 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 hours ago, majortom10 said: It states in Carnival's statement that new build ships in 2022/23 will be delayed so expect Cunard's new build due in 2022 to be delayed until 2023. Eh...isn't that what I wrote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemarble Posted July 11, 2020 #6 Share Posted July 11, 2020 13 hours ago, BlueRiband said: Have a few million stashed in a bedroom safe? You could pick up a bargain: Cruise ships for sale The names have been photoshopped out but with a little research you can figure out which ones are to be unloaded. I've taken a look at the ships listed on that "Cruise Ships for sale" website and I think I have been able to identify all of the larger ones. Of interest to this discussion is both the Maasdam (1993: $120 Million) and the Volendam (1999: Call for Price) appear to be listed for sale there. The Veendam (1996) is not listed that I can see. I haven't found other Carnival brand ships listed on that site yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted July 11, 2020 #7 Share Posted July 11, 2020 There is a few websites where cruise ships are supposedly for sale but are shipping agents touting for commission the one I have seen has a Princess ship on and is Sun Princess class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemarble Posted July 15, 2020 #8 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Some news on Holland America ships that have been sold, from an article this morning in the Maritime Executive: Holland America Sells Four Cruise Ships in Carnival's Downsizing "The first two sister ships, the Maasdam and Veendam, will be delivered to their new owner in August 2020. While the details of the buyer were not announced, the ships have been sold as a pair." "In the fall, the Rotterdam, built in 1997 and the Amsterdam, built in 2000, will also be delivered to what was described as another company. As with the other sister ships, these two are reported sold to one buyer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare foodsvcmgr Posted July 16, 2020 #9 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Rotterdam and Amsterdam have been sold to Fred. Olsen, presumably to replace the nearly 50 year old ex-Royal Viking twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemarble Posted July 16, 2020 #10 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, foodsvcmgr said: Rotterdam and Amsterdam have been sold to Fred. Olsen, presumably to replace the nearly 50 year old ex-Royal Viking twins. Thanks. I see that now on Cruise Industry News about Fred. Olsen acquiring Amsterdam and Rotterdam. "The vessels will be renamed MS Bolette and MS Borealis". Edited July 16, 2020 by bluemarble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemarble Posted July 17, 2020 #11 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now catching up on this morning's news concerning the sale of a Carnival brand cruise ship. Costa neoRomantica has been sold to Celestyal Cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare rafinmd Posted July 18, 2020 #12 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Maasdam and Veendam sold to a startup, Blue Seas Cruises. MANY Carnival Group ships much older than any Cunarder. Roy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Ranger Posted July 22, 2020 #13 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Hopefully the Carnival ships will be scrapped with the passengers still on them. Just kidding !! 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemarble Posted July 24, 2020 #14 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Carnival finally confirmed yesterday that the Fantasy and Inspiration have been sold. Carnival did not disclose the buyer, but indications are they are heading to be scrapped at the Aliaga, Turkey ship breaking yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemarble Posted September 15, 2020 #15 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I've just been reading today that Carnival will be selling 5 more of their "less efficient ships" bringing their total fleet reduction to 18 ships. No word yet on which 5 additional ships they will be selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemarble Posted September 19, 2020 #16 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Here's the list I'm seeing of the cruise ships Carnival has sold so far. This accounts for 17 of the total 18 ships that Carnival has said they were going to sell. The sale of the two Princess ships was confirmed yesterday. Costa Atlantica Costa Mediterranea Costa Victoria Costa neoRomantica Amsterdam Rotterdam Maasdam Veendam Oceana Carnival Fantasy Carnival Inspiration Carnival Imagination Carnival Fascination Pacific Dawn Pacific Aria Sun Princess Sea Princess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakesregion Posted September 20, 2020 #17 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Looks like there may be a few ships available for when the virus panic goes away. Hopefully someone will start up a formal line. Maybe all first class with strict formal standards or attire and general decorum. Plus top of the line food and service etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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