Dress code enforcement

[RevNeal]

A BEAUTIFUL horse.
One that doesn't need beating, no less ... and thank God!

[ger_77]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][B]RevNeal:[/B] I'm not trying to kiss up to the clergy or anything, but I think some chest hairs peeking out of an unbuttoned shirt are sexy. And if there is an abundance of hair and it spills over a neckline, well I don't have the right to tell another they should wax it off. People don't make a big deal out of hairy arms, (have you seen Robin Williams in short sleeves?) why are people getting their panties in a twist over chest hairs??? [/FONT]

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Just my 2 cents worth.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Smooth Sailing! :) :) :)[/FONT]

[lougee1043]

[quote name='dakrewser']I believe - at least as I read it - that Lou suggested you might be more comfortable on a more casual ship. I thoughty it was a friendly remark. But, perhaps, you're just easily offended.

It's your emphasis on following the dress code only in the dining room which I find offensive. The dress code speaks of the dress for the evening, not just for dinner. That's like saying I obey the speed limit on my street only...[/quote]


thank you dakrewser for reading my post exactly as i meant it --- totally agree with your comment about the dress code is for dinner only and the heck with the rest of the rule------------interesting that its ok to mention that they dont follow the hal dress code but nobody posts that they wear jeans to the office where the dress code is suits only --- selective appllication of rules----

[RevNeal]

Thank you ger, I appreciate it on both counts.
I think she was just looking for something to bash me on, and that one came to her eye. I'm hairy enough that I always wear a t-shirt when wearing a white shirt, and I often button polos all the way to the top ... even though it makes me look like a dork. And, still, a bit of hair shows. Here's an example:

[IMG]http://homepage.mac.com/revneal/.Pictures/noordaminaugral/nyc/nyc9d.jpg[/IMG]

I just can't help it if my chest hair sometimes shows. :) And, frankly, some people like it. :D ;) :eek:

[ger_77]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]You're welcome ... great photo - where exactly were you when it was taken? The view is fabulous (and you look pretty good too! :)).[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Smooth Sailing! :) :) :)[/FONT]

[herb]

And some of the most vocal complainers have never even sailed on HAL. ;)

 

Excuse me peaches: Would you mind pointing out just ONE vocal complaint from someone who has NEVER sailed on HAL(as you have pointed out) regarding the cruiselines cleanliness, staff, food preparation, bedding, embarkation and debarkation procedure?

 

What is being discussed is whether or not guests are properly dressed for formal night and that transcends all cruiselines, it is not a particular issue to HAL and one need not have sailed on HAL in order to voice an opinion on that! Just check out the threads on the other forums.

[Copper10-8]

Just guestemating: Central Park/NYC? Too easy?

[diboja]

thank you dakrewser for reading my post exactly as i meant it --- totally agree with your comment about the dress code is for dinner only and the heck with the rest of the rule------------interesting that its ok to mention that they dont follow the hal dress code but nobody posts that they wear jeans to the office where the dress code is suits only --- selective appllication of rules----

 

Sorry, if I misinterpreted your remarks to mean take a hike and get your TA to book you on some cruise line that make take a lower class of passenger....

Thats how it came across - but of course I am not part of the "family" here and can't see the expression on your face when you post.

 

As far as the office is concerned - have been retired for 7 years and after 40 years of wearing suits - the only time one comes out is for HAL cruises, weddings and funerals..... :D

[RevNeal]

You're welcome ... great photo - where exactly were you when it was taken? The view is fabulous (and you look pretty good too! :)).

 

Smooth Sailing! :) :) :)

 

ger ... it was taken of me at "The Top of the Rock" (i.e., the observation Deck up on the 70th floor of Rockefeller Center) overlooking Central Park in NYC. This was back in Feb ... just prior to the maiden cruise of the Noordam.

 

More photos from this trip, including from the cruise of the Noordam, can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/revneal/noordaminaugral/Menu103.html

 

Thanks!

[ger_77]

Copper 10-8: I figured it was Central Park in the background, but I wanted to know where RevNeal was standing when the pic was taken - it looks like the top of a cathedral or something. Hey, I'm from the "frozen tundra" and we don't have those kinds of things up here!!!! :)

 

Smooth Sailing! :) :) :)

[RevNeal]

Just guestemating: Central Park/NYC? Too easy?

 

CORRECT, Chief!

[Copper10-8]

Copper 10-8: I figured it was Central Park in the background, but I wanted to know where RevNeal was standing when the pic was taken - it looks like the top of a cathedral or something. Hey, I'm from the "frozen tundra" and we don't have those kinds of things up here!!!! :)

 

Smooth Sailing! :) :) :)

 

Yeah, sorry for jumping the gun (didn't see your question when I posted mine)

Saskatoon! Isn't that near Regina? Friend of mine's kid went to the RCMP academy there. I heard you guys have some fun winters!

[Copper10-8]

CORRECT, Chief!

 

Case of mistaken identity! I'm just a lowely Sgt;)

[RevNeal]

Case of mistaken identity! I'm just a lowely Sgt;)

 

LOL!

:D

I actually wasn't thinking in terms of rank ... Sergeant John!

But you of all people should know that there's NOTHING lowly about a Sergeant! :)

[Cruiseoften]

I'll say this much ... some of my men may be prone to wearing shorts to church during the late spring and early summer (it makes it quick and easy for them to go straight to the golf course following the benediction ... or so I'm told), but they do show enough respect for where they are to take off their ball caps while they're in the building. :)

 

revneal :) That makes me feel better! I do so hate to see men/boys/little kids indoors with hats on - particularly baseball caps!

 

From my earliest recollections of Sunday Church, it had to be the best dress, hat, gloves, socks (knee highs), proper shoes from the age of 6. By the way, I survived those years and taught taught Sunday School!

 

Of course I complied ( :( what options does a kid have?) but never really understood. Later in life I decided that church attendance didn't depend on dress. On vacation I may well attend a service, hatless, in slacks and sandals. If a dress code is posted, I will of course honor it.......just like I do on a cruise ship. I'm someone who enjoys going Formal and DH enjoys airing his tux. Can't ever remember changing after dinner.

 

For me, clothes worn 'for show' are seldom comfortable!:)

[ger_77]

Copper10-8: You know your geography! We're about 160 miles nw of Regina - and yes, we have some AMAZING winters - which is one of the reasons we cruise, to escape them in short bursts. It isn't uncommon for us to have -40F temps for a week or two at a time - but then the glaciers recede in late April, early May and we have spring! Y'all should come up sometime and see our seasons!

 

RevNeal: Thanks for the link - wonderful photos - looks like you had a wonderful experience on the Noordam.

 

Smooth Sailing! :) :) :)

[michmike]

We follow the rules - to a point. After having dinner in the main dining room we have gone back to our room to change to be more comfortable at the evening Show. If having dinner in the Lido on a "formal"night and are dressed casual I'll be darned if we are going back to our room to change into formal wear so that we can take in the Show.....quote]

 

since when are rules ( follow the announced dress code for the entire evening) open for individual interpetation --- to me a rule is a rule--

you can risk speeding above the posted speed limit but you hold yourself open to a ticket ---- a jacket rule in a restaurant is not open to interpetation- no jacket no meal------ you dont put your spin on your works dress code --- a suit is a suit --- you dont walk in wearing jeans or shorts --------------------so why is it so difficult to follow the rules on a hal ship ------ maybe your ta did you a disservice by putting you on a hal ship when you might be more comfortable on a more casual cruise lline

 

*laffin* surprised it took this long to get to that "why don't you take your low life butt over to carnival" thing...granted we've only been on 5 HAL cruises as opposed to the 50-100 that many of the regular posters here have, but.... WE haven't seen the glaring disregard for the dress code.. and every time this topic comes up we get an anecdotal tale of one or two who didn't dress appropriately... When one considers that there are 1600 aboard, 1 or 2 doesn't exactly constitute the barbarians at the gate.

 

We always dress appropriately for dinner, but are among the guilty who may sometimes slip back to the room and get into something a bit more comforatble for the show or lounge or casino.. not shorts and a tank top

 

as others have said.. we're having too much fun with the group we're with to fret about what others (and a very FEW others ) are doing.

[herb]

 

We always dress appropriately for dinner, but are among the guilty who may sometimes slip back to the room and get into something a bit more comforatble for the show or lounge or casino.. not shorts and a tank top

 

as others have said.. we're having too much fun with the group we're with to fret about what others (and a very FEW others ) are doing

 

guilty as charged as well ;)

[babyher]

guilty as charged as well ;)

 

I am right there with you guys :)

 

I hope they at least have bar service here in the penalty box *LOL* :)

[HeatherInFlorida]

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I think she was just looking for something to bash me on, and that one came to her eye. ...................

 

Gee, Greg, ...... ya think;) ?????!!!!! LOL:D !!! Sort of grasping at straws, don't you think, when she has to start talking about a bit of hair possibly peeking above a shirt???

 

Cracked me up:D .

[lougee1043]

mitchmike

i see by the quotes and the copeid post that you are attributing the remark to me ---please be kind enough to show me where i used the exact words that you claim i did ---- if not i believe an apology is in order

 

<<laffin* surprised it took this long to get to that "why don't you take your low life butt over to carnival" thing<<<<

[Mary Ellen]

..surprised it took this long to get to that "why don't you take your low life butt over to carnival" thing...

YOU are putting YOUR spin on what was said. Cruises, like shoes, are not 'one size fits all'. It was quite nicely suggested that a different cruise line may be a better 'fit' for some cruisers. Some people may not be aware that there are cruiselines that do not have formal nights. People that want to cruise, without dressing up, can look into Windstar, Windjammer, or Oceania as examples. Carnival is not one I listed as they DO have formal nights.

 

We have friends that LOVE Windjammer. It works for them. It wouldn't be a good vacation at all for us. Does that make us better (or worse) than our friends? NO, just different.

 

Instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, it was just suggested that one might look for that square hole.

[RevNeal]

Gee, Greg, ...... ya think;) ?????!!!!! LOL:D !!! Sort of grasping at straws, don't you think, when she has to start talking about a bit of hair possibly peeking above a shirt???

 

Cracked me up:D .

 

It really made me chuckle, too. I was wondering how far she would take it. Clearly, she realized it wouldn't go far enough and would eventually bite her in the tail because she switched to libel (though, I've noticed, Walt edited it out of the board ... as I figured they would).

[michmike]

certainly not looking for a fight and man enough to apologize when that is in order. So, I do apologize for "reading into" your comments.

 

While that may not have been your tilt on the "try another line" suggestion, I WILL tell you that there hasn't been on rehashing of this topic in the two yrs that I've been on the boards where that comment hasn't been made in these discussions. Always dressed more nicely than I phrased it, mind you, but there nonetheless.

 

I'd argue that those of us who cruise HAL are drawn to HAL for any number of reasons, just like the folks who drive a Park Ave (ok, now a Lucerne) choose to do so for any number of reasons. While many of the folks posting here in defense of the dress code value that aspect of the HAL experience, others of us choose HAL based on the size of the ships, the friendly Indonesian / Filipino crew, the set dining times, etc etc. So to argue that just because someone prefers to change out of a tux after dinner into something a bit less confining, it means it's the wrong cruiseline for them is

a stretch.

 

They may be perfectly happy on HAL and perfectly happy going to the show or the lounge in a nice shirt and a pair of dress slacks. While I know that doesn't fit with a strict interpretation of the rules (ok, with any interpretation of the rules) the fact is that it happens, will continue to happen and at least IMHO is less intrusive on my enjoyment of the cruise than having a smoker in the vicinity (but then I'm one of the dress code sinners, aren't I?)

 

So... feel free to flay us in the confines of the boards, but I'd really feel out of place on Windjammmer or Carnival. I'm totally happpy with HAL and since we only cruise once a year, you won't have to tolerate my scofflaw attitude all that often.

[herb]

I'd argue that those of us who cruise HAL are drawn to HAL for any number of reasons ...

others of us choose HAL based on the size of the ships, the friendly Indonesian / Filipino crew, the set dining times, etc etc. ...

So to argue that just because someone prefers to change out of a tux after dinner into something a bit less confining, it means it's the wrong cruiseline for them is a stretch ...

They may be perfectly happy on HAL and perfectly happy going to the show or the lounge in a nice shirt and a pair of dress slacks.

but I'd really feel out of place on Windjammmer or Carnival.

 

I agree. When we were on our last Carnival cruise we noticed that the atmosphere on board was just a bit too loud, with kids running around and some of the adults getting a bit out of hand. It was at that point that my wife and I decided we were "ready" for HAL. Their reputation was always (at least we thought so) a more mature crowd, and a more sedate and serene atmosphere ... and both suited our needs. We NEVER EVER knew how strict HAL was in regard to this whole issue of staying dressed after dinner until I started reading this forum. We always were dressed appropriately for dinner, but sometimes after dinner we'd go back and change into neat casual clothes and take a stroll on deck, go to the casino and spend some money, and have a nightcap at one of the bars. We had no idea that by walking through the halls in less than formal wear could cause so much trouble.

P.S. We're still looking forward to the more mature crowd, and a more sedate and serene cruise experience :)