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Just returned today from our Oct. 14th sailing, I'll give my full review in a few days. My complaint is not with the service, staff the food and drinks, but with how reservations took care of a group on board.

 

Not to offened anyone, to each his own and in the end we all have to answer to how we lived our life, with that said...... the Inspiration holds roughly 2100 passengers and it was sold out so were somewhere around that number. I have been told to try and stay away from large groups, so before hand I googled group cruises and found nothing even called Carnival group cruise dept. and was told there were none, great news great......................wrong. Now remember 2100 passengers and then picture a group of somewhere around 450, 25% of the cruise passengers. This was not a hair convention or a firemens convention, but a SWINGERS group. I have since come home and searched for swingers cruises and bamm there it is. If you have not been around swingers on vacation, unless you are one you don't want to be on vacation with them. Even if the clothes weren't a give away they all wore purple wrists bands. Completely took over the Candlelight lounge area, security and all as not to let any of us normal cruiseres in. Not that I would use it but the top deck was standing room only, I know it standing room only because plenty of them were standing up for the whole Lido deck to see. The Rhapsody in Blues lounge was also a popular place for meeting as well as doing oral and hand things in, I personally did not witness this so I will call it hearsay. When complaints were made to Carnival staff we were completly blown off, I guess so with the money they were makning off of the alcohol. Did I mention the door decorations in the Upper Deck, one couple covered there 8 year olds eyes when walking down the hall.

 

I could go on forever about what I heard and saw, I am interesed in what the others from CC that were on this cruise have to say.

 

I am not interesed in anything free from Carnival but I do want to voice my opinion to someone about this. There were lots of children on board mine included, couldn't Carnival have sent us parents some type of notice about what we would be traveling with, give us the chioce to change our cruise? Even if you stayed away from their group gatherings, they had free will to go and do anything they wanted whenever, wearing whatever they wanted. I'm sorry but I feel women walking around the Lido deck in a thong and men walking around with a full erect penis is just a little to much for us other travelers to have to deal with.

 

Anyone know where I can make a complaint to, I could start with my PVP but she's not much help with anything. I did bring home an extra comment card should I just use that?

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Yikes! I don't blame you for being upset. The details you described in public areas are more than I could handle.

 

Did you happen to take any digital photos of the door decorations, the naked people standing on the funnel deck, the men walking around *****, and other inappropriate sights? You could use them to illustrate your point to Carnival. (But of course you'd have to be careful not to violate pornography laws!)

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I hope someone can post a logical explanation for this happening. Otherwise, I think that is a wrap for me and Carnival. I feel for the OP. I cannot imagine having to deal with something like that. I can tolerate a lot but what you described is unbelievable.

 

My goodness. How horrid.:eek:

 

Does anyone know anything about this happening?

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OMG. :eek: I am so sorry. Nothing against swingers or anything...but HECK yes, other travelling passengers ESPECIALLY with children should have been forewarned in this type of situation so they would have a choice. I am not impressed with Carnival on this... (our PVP also is fairly ummm not useful...won't use one again). I would write a letter to higher ups for sure.

 

 

Now, how do I find out if there is a group on my cruise? :confused:

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Anyone know where I can make a complaint to, I could start with my PVP but she's not much help with anything. I did bring home an extra comment card should I just use that?

 

The comment cards are good, but Carnival will never yield on this, they will never disclose what groups are on board (though some PVP's have been known to let it slip) there would have been too many cancellations. I have never been on board without "groups", but I think the largest group was a singles group on the Liberty of about 400, they mixed in well with the other 3,000 of us... most groups are so small you don't notice them.

 

What a bummer, not sure what I would have done with my teens, you certainly had the option to debark and invoke Carnival's vacation guarantee, I am pretty sure I would have done the same if I would have had the kids with me. DW and I alone would have just ignored it.

 

Did you know about the vacation guarantee? Why did you not choose to debark?

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OMG. :eek: I am so sorry. Nothing against swingers or anything...but HECK yes, other travelling passengers ESPECIALLY with children should have been forewarned in this type of situation so they would have a choice. I am not impressed with Carnival on this... (our PVP also is fairly ummm not useful...won't use one again). I would write a letter to higher ups for sure.

 

 

Now, how do I find out if there is a group on my cruise? :confused:

 

Special interest. In that area is a sub-section called Theme Cruises. Look in there and you will see plenty of examples of this happening. I just found it and will read through the entire section tomorrow.

 

Luckily, most "theme" cruises are booked way in advance so I think a little bit of internet leg work may disclose any "irregularities".

 

I will never complaint about anything again.

 

I am so sorry this happened to you, OP. Carnival owes you a cruise.

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I have since come home and searched for swingers cruises and bamm there it is.

 

Where did you search for this info? I would like to avoid a situation like this.

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:eek: wow..........I don't know what to say.........Good luck, let us know how it turns out, and I feel terrible for you guys. I can see where there would be cancellations, I would have been one to re-book on a different ship, or go at a different time(if DD was going), but agree they should have let it be known what you were getting into. Please post back if you hear anything.

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I would contact Carnival ASAP on this one.

I have head alot of complaints but this one is just totally outragous.

I have some friends that are swingers and i have seen videos they have taken at their get togethers so i can personally tell you.. I know exactly what you saw.

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I hope someone can post a logical explanation for this happening. Otherwise' date=' I think that is a wrap for me and Carnival. I feel for the OP. I cannot imagine having to deal with something like that. I can tolerate a lot but what you described is unbelievable.

 

My goodness. How horrid.:eek:

 

Does anyone know anything about this happening?[/quote']

 

I hate to break it to you, but this is not something that only happens on Carnival. It can and does go on with other cruise lines as well. Been there, seen it!

 

To the OP, I am sorry you had to go through this. It ain't pretty, that's for sure, and I'm no prude. But I think if I had kids along, it would have been especially distasteful.

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Personally I would write a scathing letter to Carnival. A group like that has no business being on a family cruise. It may accomplish nothing, but they need to hear from you (and other guests who were likewise offended).

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First off, I feel for the OP. That had to be a truely difficult cruise to be on. That said, I would recommend the OP, when complaining to Carnival, alter their tactics a bit. If they remain on their current course of "why did you not notify us of the group." then I feel they will be met with a luke-warm response. Here is my thinking:

 

There was a cruise recently of a bunch of anti-religous zealots! Why aren't other cruisers being warned?:eek: Oh, wait, that is the Saints-and-Sinners CC cruise.:D Nothing anti-anything there, but the name could be misunderstood.

 

So how do you know if a group is good or bad? If the group is a bunch of Swingers, but they do not advertise themselves as such, how would you know that "The Knickers" is a swingers group.... or is it a fan club?

 

Instead, I'd go to Carnival with more of a slant on how they reacted to the situations you encountered on-board. Inappropriate behavior should be handled instantly. Since it seems they did nothing, that is where I would complain the most.

 

Best of luck to the OP on future cruises, whatever ships they choose...

 

Just my humble opinion (go easy on me):rolleyes:...

 

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First off, I feel for the OP. That had to be a truely difficult cruise to be on. That said, I would recommend the OP, when complaining to Carnival, alter their tactics a bit. If they remain on their current course of "why did you not notify us of the group." then I feel they will be met with a luke-warm response. Here is my thinking:

 

There was a cruise recently of a bunch of anti-religous zealots! Why aren't other cruisers being warned?:eek: Oh, wait, that is the Saints-and-Sinners CC cruise.:D Nothing anti-anything there, but the name could be misunderstood.

 

So how do you know if a group is good or bad? If the group is a bunch of Swingers, but they do not advertise themselves as such, how would you know that "The Knickers" is a swingers group.... or is it a fan club?

 

Instead, I'd go to Carnival with more of a slant on how they reacted to the situations you encountered on-board. Inappropriate behavior should be handled instantly. Since it seems they did nothing, that is where I would complain the most.

 

Best of luck to the OP on future cruises, whatever ships they choose...

 

Just my humble opinion (go easy on me):rolleyes:...

 

dave

 

Ditto. This is exactly what I was thinking.

 

I am so very sorry you had to endure this. What a terrible shame. I also believe that it is all about how you frame your complaint ~ decide before you send your correspondence what you want that will make you satisfied and send your comments geared that way.

 

If it's "Carnival needs to give me another cruise so I can have my vacation" or if it's "Carnival needs to be aware their staff didn't handle things properly and I don't want anyone else to go through what I did", then gear your letter appropriately. Or maybe you want to do both ~ I would completely understand and feel the same way.

 

A group can book and lie about what they are all about, so it's kind of hard for Carnival to do too much about that part of it.

 

Good luck and keep us posted on your results. :D

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Carnival owes you a cruise.

 

Why would CCL owe them a free cruise. The cruise lines aren't required to disclose ANYTHING about other pax or groups:rolleyes:

 

Did the the pax on the Princess receive a free cruise last year when the "Bears" were sailing? (In case you don't know it was a gay porn cruise from what I understand. I also understand that there was some filming taking place onboard)

 

Personally, I'd rather be onboard with a group of swingers than a g/l chruch group (who BTW are on the Conquest with the S&Sr's as we speak)...or any chruch group for that matter.

 

So the OP isn't into the alternate lifestyle and was apparently shocked (hearing) about all sorts of "jobs" in public places, so if it was that bad by all means write a formal letter of complaint but certainly doesn't entitle him/her to a free cruise:rolleyes:

 

Cruizin I hope someday we can sail together and have cabins next door to one another.

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Happened to be on a Royal Caribbean ship about 5 years ago and after boarding, learned that there was a large group of "gay" (not how I would describe them) folks onboard. They seemed to be largely out of sight for the first couple of days, and then they were everywhere doing all of the things previously described and then some. It was as if they were trying to rub their own sexuality in everyone else's face so to speak. The fact that there were chlildren around observing all of this didn't seem to bother them or the crew. Complaints were merely shrugged off. There used to be a website that tracked large groups that were scheduled for future sailings, but I can no longer find it. Love to see it come back because the cruise lines aren't gonna tell us ahead of time for obvious reasons.

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Happened to be on a Royal Caribbean ship about 5 years ago and after boarding, learned that there was a large group of "gay" (not how I would describe them) folks onboard. They seemed to be largely out of sight for the first couple of days, and then they were everywhere doing all of the things previously described and then some. It was as if they were trying to rub their own sexuality in everyone else's face so to speak. The fact that there were chlildren around observing all of this didn't seem to bother them or the crew. Complaints were merely shrugged off. There used to be a website that tracked large groups that were scheduled for future sailings, but I can no longer find it. Love to see it come back because the cruise lines aren't gonna tell us ahead of time for obvious reasons.

 

 

That website was http://www.groupsahoy.com Sadly it had been out of commission for several years. I guess it was just to info intensive to keep up. It was wonderful to use to not only avoid groups that offend you, but to let you know about groups you may want to join.

 

I don't think anyone cares what a person does in the privacy of their own stateroom. But this cruise sounds like pornography afloat and the last time I checked...that kind of stuff around children is indeed illegal. Of course, hindsight is 20/20....but for future reference...I would have a digital camera ready and a local TV newstation's phone number on speed dial and watch how fast any cruise line would clean that up!!

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That website was http://www.groupsahoy.com Sadly it had been out of commission for several years. I guess it was just to info intensive to keep up. It was wonderful to use to not only avoid groups that offend you, but to let you know about groups you may want to join.

 

I don't think anyone cares what a person does in the privacy of their own stateroom. But this cruise sounds like pornography afloat and the last time I checked...that kind of stuff around children is indeed illegal. Of course, hindsight is 20/20....but for future reference...I would have a digital camera ready and a local TV newstation's phone number on speed dial and watch how fast any cruise line would clean that up!!

I think you are on to something there LHP!

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Special interest. In that area is a sub-section called Theme Cruises. Look in there and you will see plenty of examples of this happening. I just found it and will read through the entire section tomorrow.

 

Luckily' date=' most "theme" cruises are booked way in advance so I think a little bit of internet leg work may disclose any "irregularities".

 

I will never complaint about anything again.

 

I am so sorry this happened to you, OP. Carnival owes you a cruise.[/quote']

The only way I would be looking for a free cruise is if my cruise diden't go off, or went back to the dock after 2 days of a 7 day cruise. I would want Carnival to change its policy and let me know what groups are on the ship that week so this doesn't happend again. And if carnival is worried about people backing out, than they need to make a dollar and sense decision. You are at sea I would try to make the best of it and turn this into a learning thing for my kids to be very carefull of the wackos and try to point them out. Carnival and my PVP would hear from me when I got back.

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Just for a point of clarification...

 

the OP said "I am not interesed in anything free from Carnival but I do want to voice my opinion to someone about this."

 

So the OP is in no way trying to get anything free out of this (cruise or otherwise)....they just want to let us know what can happen so we can be prepared if it happens on our cruise.

 

Thanks for the heads up...

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That website was www.groupsahoy.com Sadly it had been out of commission for several years. I guess it was just to info intensive to keep up. It was wonderful to use to not only avoid groups that offend you, but to let you know about groups you may want to join.

 

I don't think anyone cares what a person does in the privacy of their own stateroom. But this cruise sounds like pornography afloat and the last time I checked...that kind of stuff around children is indeed illegal. Of course, hindsight is 20/20....but for future reference...I would have a digital camera ready and a local TV newstation's phone number on speed dial and watch how fast any cruise line would clean that up!!

 

That is an EXCEPTIONAL idea. And you are right--it would cause an immediate clean-up, I think. Which leads me to the question, why would it take a camera and TV crew to cause a cruiseline to clean up what should never be happening in public in the first place? That is a sad statement of reality, IMHO.

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I also would like to know where you searched and found the group cruise listed. I am taking my 6 yr old and OMG way tooooo many questions would be asked. Thanks

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That is an EXCEPTIONAL idea. And you are right--it would cause an immediate clean-up, I think. Which leads me to the question, why would it take a camera and TV crew to cause a cruiseline to clean up what should never be happening in public in the first place? That is a sad statement of reality, IMHO.

 

Whether it is an issue of illegalality or not, why, when the same act is practiced in /on land in public, it is sometimes punishable by law, or at least noticed by same, seemingly go UN-noticed by the powers that be..at sea..albiet..the captain??? head of the vessel ..that choice of behavior is not acceptable in a library, a restaurant, department store, church or anywhere else throngs of folk congregate, do business,recreate, or just live their lives. I am not bashing alternate lifestyles..just wondering why good judgement isn't used at sea, on a ship, with a captive audience. Everyone pays to be on vacation..staying away from the "fun" venues to avoid confrontation with a none desired lifestyle is asking a lot of those who do not enjoy, participate, or approve. Just my 2 cents worth..sorry for all who witnessed a less than desirable activities.Again, cruise lines are not responsible for the buying public anymore than a hotel or restaurant. The problem of self control and respect of others lies with the groups that practice the behavior in question/conversation.

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I also would like to know where you searched and found the group cruise listed. I am taking my 6 yr old and OMG way tooooo many questions would be asked. Thanks

 

I first did a group cruise search on google and called Carnival both came up with nothing, on return I did a "swingers crusie" search and found it that way.

 

Many people that I spoke with around the ship wanted to use their vacation gaurentee but found out to late what the group was to use their gaurentee. The first day or two we thought they were just a wild party group, oddly enough things started to get really bad the 3rd day.

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Many people that I spoke with around the ship wanted to use their vacation gaurentee but found out to late what the group was to use their gaurentee. The first day or two we thought they were just a wild party group, oddly enough things started to get really bad the 3rd day.

 

If nothing was done to curb their behavior then I can see why it slowly progressed into a shipwide event. Why not call the local news station in the port where the ship sailed from and tell them your story. It might be of enough interest for them to research it and do a story in the future. Especially if there are a lot of cruises from that particular port.

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Believe it or not, we had an almost exact experience on Carnival Holiday a couple years back. Only the group on our ship were "Hashers" - a supposed running club. Only it was more like a drunken love fest. It was amazing to me, I was 33 at the time and on an anniversary cruise with my husband. All I can say is thank goodness we didn't have our kids. There was so much drunken nakedness at the pool, I couldn't believe it. We got a very similar response to our complaints.

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Believe it or not, we had an almost exact experience on Carnival Holiday a couple years back. Only the group on our ship were "Hashers" - a supposed running club. Only it was more like a drunken love fest. It was amazing to me, I was 33 at the time and on an anniversary cruise with my husband. All I can say is thank goodness we didn't have our kids. There was so much drunken nakedness at the pool, I couldn't believe it. We got a very similar response to our complaints.

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Why would CCL owe them a free cruise. The cruise lines aren't required to disclose ANYTHING about other pax or groups:rolleyes:

 

Did the the pax on the Princess receive a free cruise last year when the "Bears" were sailing? (In case you don't know it was a gay porn cruise from what I understand. I also understand that there was some filming taking place onboard)

 

Personally, I'd rather be onboard with a group of swingers than a g/l chruch group (who BTW are on the Conquest with the S&Sr's as we speak)...or any chruch group for that matter.

 

So the OP isn't into the alternate lifestyle and was apparently shocked (hearing) about all sorts of "jobs" in public places, so if it was that bad by all means write a formal letter of complaint but certainly doesn't entitle him/her to a free cruise:rolleyes:

 

Cruizin I hope someday we can sail together and have cabins next door to one another.

 

You are right. Owed a cruise is a figure of speech.

 

Check out my new signature for a list of my future plans. I am sure you and I would have a ball on the ship.

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Believe it or not, we had an almost exact experience on Carnival Holiday a couple years back. Only the group on our ship were "Hashers" - a supposed running club. Only it was more like a drunken love fest. It was amazing to me, I was 33 at the time and on an anniversary cruise with my husband. All I can say is thank goodness we didn't have our kids. There was so much drunken nakedness at the pool, I couldn't believe it. We got a very similar response to our complaints.

 

We lived in Taiwan for a couple years and were invited on a "Hashers" run. I was mortified by their behavior and so offended that these morons would bring children to their obscene events. One experience was all it took to totally turn me off to their group. I can't imagine taking a cruise with a big bunch of them!

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I had sort of the same experience on the Conquest on my honeymoon. I had a group of about 500 black lesbians. NOTE: I AM NOT PREJUDICE in any way towards any color or lifestyle. There was also a group of about 300 people from a church (who are all going to hell haha) and a family reunion of about 150. It was thrown in our faces. It was the awfulest cruise ever. I am also a TA, and all I got was a call saying sorry and 20% off my next cruise. I had refused to go on CCL again, but the guy who called told me to go on a Spirit class, I did, and am hooked again.

 

We are going on the Elation on December 4, and it has been sold out, and I have received calls from CCL wanting our cabins, offering us a better deal and amenities to go the next week... I am scared this will happen again. I have tried to look up on line if there are any big groups, but havent seen anything.

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A group can book and lie about what they are all about, so it's kind of hard for Carnival to do too much about that part of it.

 

Carnival certainly could, and should have, advised the group that some member's behavior was offensive and unacceptable. Each guest who continued to violate reasonable standards could (and should be) put off the ship in the next port. Problem solved.

 

Since Carnival failed to protect the other guests, they certainly owe them something...people missed out on their vacation! I have no respect for whiners who write to the cruise line about stupid stuff that could happen anywhere, expecting some kind of compensation. But this situation was outrageous and the cruise line should have addressed it. Since they didn't, they should make it up to the other guests on board who were adversely affected.

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We had no idea untill the afternoon we returned from GC, a couple ask if they could use the chairs next to us on the lido deck they kept looking around staring at us finally she just came out and ask we were with the purple band group and went on to tell us how they found out who they were. The day before a small group was down on the lido explaining to others how great it is to "find love in the arms of a stranger".

 

Part of this group was a 60ish blind man and many 60 to 70 year old men and women, seeing those prople was way it took a couple of days to figure out who the group was.

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It seems ANY group should be limited so that there is no possibility of "taking over" areas of the ship day after day.

 

I surely don't want to be on a cruise like you described! But I also would never go Spring Break time.

 

On the theme cruises site there is a thread that I think would make many cringe. I'd like to get e-mailed when dates (of cruising) are finalized to make sure I didn't end up on that ship.

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The cruise line industry has been growing over the past number of years as a result of promotion and denial ... they promote the well being of their passengers and deny that anything wrong can happen as a result of their actions or in-action to deal with a situation on board. The United States Government has started to hold accountable these corporations who register their ships in countries where the laws we all live by as either US citizens or us as Canadian citizens, don't apply. It has become more and more apparent that they need to be held accountable simply by the number of incidents which have been happening, and not just because of an unhappy customer, but the rapes, the thefts, the murders, the missing persons.

 

For those of you who have never heard of a board called www."Cruise Bruise".com, no quotes and no space, I suggest you visit it and see just what kind of things are going on and keep yourself abreast of the activities which these monoliths almost always deny.

 

I AM NOT HERE to promote this site, I just read it to keep informed. Check out the different things which have happened, and be sure to pass around this link, NOT TO SCARE people, but to simply give them an opportunity to keep informed. I am not here to slam or slander one cruise line over another, that would be the same as hating a nationality because someone robbed my house and I found out what country that person was from.

 

I simply wanted to make people aware that things do happen, sometimes they are beyond the control of the cruise line and it simply comes down to cleaning up the mess. But in the case of your cruise, where people were performing acts in public which should have been a chargeable offense and jail time to follow ... then it was the responsibility of every crew member to put a stop to it. Surely if they were at a resort with their children and walked into the resturant with their 7 year old child and someone was performing an act on another in the resturant, they would demand it be dealt with.

 

This is where my post comes in ... The US Government is beginning to hold accountable those cruise lines which carry passengers departing from a US port when something goes wrong and is not dealt with appropriately.

 

Check out the link on the "Cruise Bruise" site referring to the Governemt.

 

I know that each of us has the same idea .... "I can write a letter, but they won't do anything about it" and that is true, because you are writing to the very organization which is making money from the paying public you are complaining about. As a collective body, individuals need to come together somehow and voice their opions or raise their concerns to the parties who can make a difference. I don't have the solution on how to get your voice heard or your statement read, but I know that if you are as passionate as you seem, you will find a way to get your story to the right person as long as you keep trying ... Remember the history lesson about the first Black woman in America to refuse to give up her seat to a White person? Well I am neither American or Black, but I will tell you this:

 

I not only agree with her decision but I support the fact that being denied what is rightfully yours as a fellow human being, is not only worth fighting for, but worth following if for nothing but to change the way people think. Now comparing the historical event of that Black woman so many years ago with what you experienced on your cruise, is not my intent, I only wanted to say that we should all stand up for what we believe to be right and honest and know that if we stay the course, we can make a difference.

 

Find the time, make the effort and get your story heard, it will only make this industry a better place for all those who enjoy it and for the future of cruising as well. If you try to get your information to the Government body who is trying to make a difference, you just might succeed in doing so.

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And we only had the Red Hat Society on our Inspiration cruise!

 

I would have been some upset with a group of Swingers on my cruise - keep it to yourself and it would be fine. Flaunting it all over the ship is just rude!

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After reading this I decided to see if anything was going on the days I sail on the Elation in OCt 2007 and did find a gay cruise heading out on the Elation the end of May 2007. I dont have anything against anyone but this is my 3 sons first cruise and dont want them seeing anything they dont need to see.:eek:

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I just spoke with a woman in my office who was on this cruise with 2 other women, also from my office. She said she was horrified at the things she saw these people doing in public. They were having sex in the pools and hot tubs. People wouldn't take their children to dinner in the dining rooms because people were making out right at the tables. They had very graphic signs on their doors, telling their 'specialty' and offering business cards.

 

I don't think this is something that would only happen on a Carnival cruise; these people are everywhere and I'm sure which cruise line they are on doesn't really matter. BUT Carnival does need to do something for the people on this cruise who didn't need to be subjected to that lifestyle. I realize that the OP isn't asking for anything from Carnival, but just wanted to let people know what happened. They need to write a letter to Carnival (and I told my office friend that, too) explaining what happened and how disgusted and disappointed they are.

 

I don't care what sexual persuasion people are, but I do expect it to be kept private. It's none of my business!!:eek:

 

Hey, bellera, the redhat women were on my Inspiration cruise in January (2-7)...is that when you went?? They were a little annoying, but I'd take them over the swingers any day!!

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If nothing was done to curb their behavior then I can see why it slowly progressed into a shipwide event. Why not call the local news station in the port where the ship sailed from and tell them your story. It might be of enough interest for them to research it and do a story in the future. Especially if there are a lot of cruises from that particular port.

 

I totally agree!

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We lived in Taiwan for a couple years and were invited on a "Hashers" run. I was mortified by their behavior and so offended that these morons would bring children to their obscene events. One experience was all it took to totally turn me off to their group. I can't imagine taking a cruise with a big bunch of them!

 

I did a search and could not find what you are talking about

 

To hash or not to hash, after that all choices are made for you.

from

http://www.taichunghash.com/

 

Hash House Harriers offers visitors an excellent opportunity to meet the locals and make new friends. Join in on one of their running/walking rallies and get fit at the same time. For more information contact them via: 0960-243-299 on arrival.

from

http://www.hoteltravel.com/taiwan/hsinchu/guides/activities_sports.htm

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That is an EXCEPTIONAL idea. And you are right--it would cause an immediate clean-up, I think. Which leads me to the question, why would it take a camera and TV crew to cause a cruiseline to clean up what should never be happening in public in the first place? That is a sad statement of reality, IMHO.

 

I like that idea a lot myself. It most definitely would get some attention. I am another in the camp that doesn't care at all about anyone else's sexual persuasion or behaviour but I don't want to see it in a venue that's clearly marketed to children, seniors, everyone basically. I don't want to personally see it in any venue actually, but that's just me. People have no class anymore.

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