New Dress Code Designations?

Sorry, but when was the last time you were on a “European” beach? It is a very common sight to see men walking around the promenades in Spain without tops and women in skimpy bikinis, usually displaying obscene amounts of excess flab!

I don’t care which cruise ship/Liner I’m on, I don’t want to see anyone in public areas other than the pool decks without tee shirts or cover ups.

I also think that some of the comments on this thread are hilarious! [emoji23]

 

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I agree and from a practical point of view, the ships are pretty cold, I wouldn't expect to see many swim suit wearing passengers in the public areas.

Hi Hattie - perhaps that's the solution to the current and dramatic 'Dress Code(gate)' - get Cunard to turn down the air conditioning temperature EVEN LOWER in the evening - THEY EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO WEAR A JACKET AND NO SHORTS:evilsmile:!! Just a suggestion ;)

Sorry, but when was the last time you were on a “European” beach? It is a very common sight to see men walking around the promenades in Spain without tops and women in skimpy bikinis, usually displaying obscene amounts of excess flab!

I don’t care which cruise ship/Liner I’m on, I don’t want to see anyone in public areas other than the pool decks without tee shirts or cover ups.

I also think that some of the comments on this thread are hilarious! [emoji23]

 

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Hello Paul and thanks for your question, the answer to which is last June; Taormina, Sicily ( I would call that a 'European beach', wouldn't you?). My point was that cabines are provided for people to change in. Walking down the street in swimwear at a beach resort can be off-putting to others but more expected and less unwelcome than inside a ship or hotel.

I agree LittleFish - its generally lack of style:

 

- What I find interesting is, whilst I am no David Gandy (sadly), the ones showing off their huge volumes of flesh (inked or otherwise) a long way away from the lido area REALLY SHOULD COVER UP IN PUBLIC AREAS; save our eyes! LOL

Who is Littlefish? And who is David Gandy?

I see you are a fellow Brit so you obviously understand my “flab” reference to the Costas [emoji41]

As I said in my previous post, I’m finding this thread really funny, partly because on many other CC RCs, many Americans, Canadians and Australians are trying to get everyone to agree that as it’s their holiday, they should be allowed to dress as shabbily as they like. Sweatpants and dungarees are considered smart in some circles!!! [emoji12]

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Hello Paul and thanks for your question, the answer to which is last June; Taormina, Sicily ( I would call that a 'European beach', wouldn't you?). My point was that cabines are provided for people to change in. Walking down the street in swimwear at a beach resort can be off-putting to others but more expected and less unwelcome than inside a ship or hotel.

Italian beaches do have a certain chic and style, as do the people.

Just love Taormina, especially the Canolo!

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Sorry, I can’t agree with your statement. Last year wetravelled to Spain staying in an Adults Only, All Inclusive 4* luxury hotel.Cost covered flights, accommodation all meals and all drinks (alcoholic ornon-alcoholic). Room facilities were better than stateroom, sports facilitiesand quality entertainment was provided. The holiday cost was not similar, itwas half what we have paid for a similar length cruise. So it is quite wrong to say that theseholidays are not available.

I’m also interested to know which Cunard cruise you havebeen on which includes free alcoholic drinks in the fare? On board creditperhaps, but that is something different.

Hi Margana, we have to agree to disagree.

• NB.: During our stays in Queens Grill staterooms Cunard include a fully stocked in suite drinks bar; with your choice of spirits + champagne/wine - and is refilled as necessary during the voyage. Also as you say the often very generous OBC is a benefit too.
  

Glad you liked your last cheap Adults Only 4 star 'All Inclusive' package holiday in Spain but with respect I think I am not tempted but will stick, for now, with Cunard in The Grills.

Hi Hattie - perhaps that's the solution to the current and dramatic 'Dress Code(gate)' - get Cunard to turn down the air conditioning temperature EVEN LOWER in the evening - THEY EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO WEAR A JACKET AND NO SHORTS:evilsmile:!! Just a suggestion ;)

This made me laugh out loud. Thanks. We’re from Florida and really stressing the North Atlantic weather in August. So we’ll be all set in 7 layers on our way from the stateroom to the pool. :cool:

The page on the Cunard UK FAQ for the question "Is there a dress code on board?" has now been updated to mention the "Gala" and "Smart Attire" dress code designations.

However, I think they have managed to add some confusion with what they have done here in that it continues to state in one place that blue denim is not considered appropriate within the ship after 6:00pm, yet states in the next paragraph that jeans are appropriate in the casual venues.

This page does agree with what has been stated elsewhere regarding casual attire now being acceptable in the Golden Lion and the Casino after 6pm.

Here's the link to the updated page.

https://ask.cunard.com/help/cunard/life-on-board/dress_code

For those who are unable to follow this link, here is what it says.

Q. Is there a dress code on board?

During the day, feel free to relax and dress as you please in all areas of the ship. Then as the sun goes down, the style goes up. Every night on board, we ask that you wear smart attire in most of our bars, restaurants and entertainment venues. On our much-anticipated Gala evenings, we invite you to dress to impress and celebrate with us. There are two or three of these special Gala evenings for every seven days of your voyage.

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues is always available for your enjoyment.

A full break down of dress codes, the number of Gala nights and any themed balls can be viewed via the following question with the suggested attire for each type of evening: What will the dress code be whilst I am on board?

During the day

Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth).

Evenings

Evenings will be split into 2 different dress codes. You will be notified of the evening's dress code in your Daily Programme. As a guide, these will be:

Gala:

On Gala nights it’s dinner jacket, tuxedo, or dark suit for the men with a regular tie or bow tie. Evening or cocktail dress, smart trouser suit, or formal separates for the ladies please.

Smart Attire:

Gentlemen, every night we request you wear smart trousers with a shirt and jacket; tie is optional. Ladies, blouses and skirts or stylish trousers and dresses are welcome.

Please note that after 6:00pm, shorts and blue or worn denim (for men and women); sandals and sleeveless tops (for men) are not considered appropriate within the ship.

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues is always available for your enjoyment. Feel free to dress casually as you visit any of the following venues: Kings Court, Lido Buffet, Golden Lion, Casino, Carinthia Lounge, Winter Garden, Garden Lounge, Yacht Club, and G32. Non-ripped, jeans are appropriate, but please refrain from wearing shorts, sports attire, swim wear or sleeveless t-shirts outside of the gym, spa and deck spaces.

Children

Children under 18 do not have a dress code but should adhere to the daily dress code where possible.

National/Religious dress

National and Religious dress including headdress' are allowed on board. Depending on the amount of the face covered by the headdress, guests may be asked to unveil for a security photo at check in and passing through security check points ashore and on board during the voyage.

Some items of national dress such as ceremonial blades or swords are not permitted and guests should check our list of prohibited items under the question What am I not allowed to take on board?

Hi Hattie - perhaps that's the solution to the current and dramatic 'Dress Code(gate)' - get Cunard to turn down the air conditioning temperature EVEN LOWER in the evening - THEY EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO WEAR A JACKET AND NO SHORTS:evilsmile:!! Just a suggestion ;)

Surely that is just an excuse to pull your hoody up over your head.

This made me laugh out loud. Thanks. We’re from Florida and really stressing the North Atlantic weather in August. So we’ll be all set in 7 layers on our way from the stateroom to the pool. :cool:

Nah cumon lass, it’ll be like a Yorkshire millpond all’t way over, and as we board 3rd Aug the temperatures will be a balmy 25 c (at least for the first day and a half) [emoji23]

I’ve told my wife that August in the Atlantic will be just like the Med [emoji41][emoji41]

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The page on the Cunard UK FAQ for the question "Is there a dress code on board?" has now been updated to mention the "Gala" and "Smart Attire" dress code designations.

 

However, I think they have managed to add some confusion with what they have done here in that it continues to state in one place that blue denim is not considered appropriate within the ship after 6:00pm, yet states in the next paragraph that jeans are appropriate in the casual venues.

 

This page does agree with what has been stated elsewhere regarding casual attire now being acceptable in the Golden Lion and the Casino after 6pm.

 

Here's the link to the updated page.

 

https://ask.cunard.com/help/cunard/life-on-board/dress_code

 

For those who are unable to follow this link, here is what it says.

 

Q. Is there a dress code on board?

 

During the day, feel free to relax and dress as you please in all areas of the ship. Then as the sun goes down, the style goes up. Every night on board, we ask that you wear smart attire in most of our bars, restaurants and entertainment venues. On our much-anticipated Gala evenings, we invite you to dress to impress and celebrate with us. There are two or three of these special Gala evenings for every seven days of your voyage.

 

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues is always available for your enjoyment.

 

A full break down of dress codes, the number of Gala nights and any themed balls can be viewed via the following question with the suggested attire for each type of evening: What will the dress code be whilst I am on board?

 

During the day

 

Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth).

 

Evenings

 

Evenings will be split into 2 different dress codes. You will be notified of the evening's dress code in your Daily Programme. As a guide, these will be:

 

Gala:

On Gala nights it’s dinner jacket, tuxedo, or dark suit for the men with a regular tie or bow tie. Evening or cocktail dress, smart trouser suit, or formal separates for the ladies please.

 

Smart Attire:

Gentlemen, every night we request you wear smart trousers with a shirt and jacket; tie is optional. Ladies, blouses and skirts or stylish trousers and dresses are welcome.

 

Please note that after 6:00pm, shorts and blue or worn denim (for men and women); sandals and sleeveless tops (for men) are not considered appropriate within the ship.

 

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues is always available for your enjoyment. Feel free to dress casually as you visit any of the following venues: Kings Court, Lido Buffet, Golden Lion, Casino, Carinthia Lounge, Winter Garden, Garden Lounge, Yacht Club, and G32. Non-ripped, jeans are appropriate, but please refrain from wearing shorts, sports attire, swim wear or sleeveless t-shirts outside of the gym, spa and deck spaces.

 

Children

 

Children under 18 do not have a dress code but should adhere to the daily dress code where possible.

 

National/Religious dress

 

National and Religious dress including headdress' are allowed on board. Depending on the amount of the face covered by the headdress, guests may be asked to unveil for a security photo at check in and passing through security check points ashore and on board during the voyage.

 

Some items of national dress such as ceremonial blades or swords are not permitted and guests should check our list of prohibited items under the question What am I not allowed to take on board?

I get it, even down to the banning of ceremonial swords [emoji23]. However, there is one thing about daytime wear that did confuse me. Does it actually mean that if I, a sartorially elegant gentleman, wishes to wear smart tailored shorts for breakfast or lunch, I cannot wear these in the Princess Grill Restaurant which will be our assigned dining venue? If, it’s one part of the dress code I really do find ridiculous!

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I get it, even down to the banning of ceremonial swords [emoji23]. However, there is one thing about daytime wear that did confuse me. Does it actually mean that if I, a sartorially elegant gentleman, wishes to wear smart tailored shorts for breakfast or lunch, I cannot wear these in the Princess Grill Restaurant which will be our assigned dining venue? If, it’s one part of the dress code I really do find ridiculous!

Yes, that blurb about attire in the main restaurants for breakfast and lunch has caused a fair amount of confusion over the years. Just so everyone is on the same page, here is the paragraph we are talking about that has been there for quite a few years now and is still there on the revised dress code page.

"During the day

Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth)."

This is confusing to me on several levels.They talk about a "casual wear dress code" being required in the main restaurants for breakfast and lunch without actually defining what that casual wear dress code is. They don't come right out and state that shorts aren't allowed in the main restaurants for breakfast or lunch, but they certainly imply it by the use of the word "however" when stating shorts may be worn in the buffets.

Cunard's US FAQ site contains this statement which I think one could reasonably interpret as a definition of a casual wear dress code that clearly includes shorts.

"On board during the day, you’ll probably find yourself most comfortable in stylish casual wear, including shorts and smart jeans."

I actually queried Cunard early last year about whether shorts were permitted in the main restaurants during the breakfast or lunch. Here is a portion of the reply I received via email.

"I can confirm you are able to wear shorts (except swimming shorts) within the main dining room for breakfast and lunch.

If you would like to wear shorts in the evening, you may visit the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth)."

Now that reply may or may not have cleared up the point about shorts being allowed in the main restaurants during the day, but then it goes on the cause more confusion about what is allowed in the evenings. I have never seen a Cunard dress code (including the latest version) that permits shorts in the evenings, but then I am being told shorts are allowed in the buffets in the evenings.

I'll leave it at that for now for others to help interpret what to make of this.

Yes, that blurb about attire in the main restaurants for breakfast and lunch has caused a fair amount of confusion over the years. Just so everyone is on the same page, here is the paragraph we are talking about that has been there for quite a few years now and is still there on the revised dress code page.

 

"During the day

Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth)."

 

This is confusing to me on several levels.They talk about a "casual wear dress code" being required in the main restaurants for breakfast and lunch without actually defining what that casual wear dress code is. They don't come right out and state that shorts aren't allowed in the main restaurants for breakfast or lunch, but they certainly imply it by the use of the word "however" when stating shorts may be worn in the buffets.

 

Cunard's US FAQ site contains this statement which I think one could reasonably interpret as a definition of a casual wear dress code that clearly includes shorts.

 

On board during the day, you’ll probably find yourself most comfortable in stylish casual wear, including shorts and smart jeans.

 

I actually queried Cunard early last year about whether shorts were permitted in the main restaurants during the breakfast or lunch. Here is a portion of the reply I received via email.

 

"I can confirm you are able to wear shorts (except swimming shorts) within the main dining room for breakfast and lunch.

 

If you would like to wear shorts in the evening, you may visit the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth)."

 

Now that reply may or may not have cleared up the point about shorts being allowed in the main restaurants during the day, but then it goes on the cause more confusion about what is allowed in the evenings. I have never seen a Cunard dress code (including the latest version) that permits shorts in the evenings, but then I am being told shorts are allowed in the buffets in the evenings.

 

I'll leave it at that for now for others to help interpret what to make of this.

I always thought the dress code was no shorts in the evening, but on the Christmas cruise (2016), when I walked through the Lido on my way to a proper dinner, almost everyone in there was wearing shorts. It was Christmas night, which was a formal night.

I always thought the dress code was no shorts in the evening, but on the Christmas cruise (2016), when I walked through the Lido on my way to a proper dinner, almost everyone in there was wearing shorts. It was Christmas night, which was a formal night.

I’d have made them all walk the plank!

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Yes, that blurb about attire in the main restaurants for breakfast and lunch has caused a fair amount of confusion over the years. Just so everyone is on the same page, here is the paragraph we are talking about that has been there for quite a few years now and is still there on the revised dress code page.

 

"During the day

Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth)."

 

This is confusing to me on several levels.They talk about a "casual wear dress code" being required in the main restaurants for breakfast and lunch without actually defining what that casual wear dress code is. They don't come right out and state that shorts aren't allowed in the main restaurants for breakfast or lunch, but they certainly imply it by the use of the word "however" when stating shorts may be worn in the buffets.

 

Cunard's US FAQ site contains this statement which I think one could reasonably interpret as a definition of a casual wear dress code that clearly includes shorts.

 

"On board during the day, you’ll probably find yourself most comfortable in stylish casual wear, including shorts and smart jeans."

 

I actually queried Cunard early last year about whether shorts were permitted in the main restaurants during the breakfast or lunch. Here is a portion of the reply I received via email.

 

"I can confirm you are able to wear shorts (except swimming shorts) within the main dining room for breakfast and lunch.

 

If you would like to wear shorts in the evening, you may visit the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth)."

 

Now that reply may or may not have cleared up the point about shorts being allowed in the main restaurants during the day, but then it goes on the cause more confusion about what is allowed in the evenings. I have never seen a Cunard dress code (including the latest version) that permits shorts in the evenings, but then I am being told shorts are allowed in the buffets in the evenings.

 

I'll leave it at that for now for others to help interpret what to make of this.

Thanks.

I’d never wear shorts in the evening, whether on a cruise ship or hotel. It does seem from your post that I’ll be ok for breakfast and lunch in the Princess Grill but to be on the safe side I’ll check with our Maitre when we board

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Could you also ask regarding this?

During the day, feel free to relax and dress as you please in all areas of the ship.

 

 

It would appear swimwear without covering is now allowed everywhere.

 

If this is the case, the dress code HAS fundamentally changed, not just the wording. We have then been lied to, trust and respect is broken, and every cruise booked then goes.

Hey, whats wrong with dressing as you like?? I have relatives in West Virginia and they consider Dungarees are FORMAL wear and to be used only for weddings, funerals, and Sunday church meetings ( shoes are optional ).

I am looking forward to the "dress as you like " option for daytime wear and can picture myself in my Mankini ( its like a bikini for guys ) queuing in the lido at lunchtime or partaking of a drink in the Golden Lion.:evilsmile:

I will of course comply with the evening dress codes presuming someone will have worked out by July exactly what they consist of.:confused:.

( for the benefit of Americans I must explain that the above is "tongue in cheek"

and not meant to be taken seriously ).

If I wanted to dress like that, or mix with people dressed like thatI would book a cheap package holiday, all drinks included, for about £200 a week and not spend a few thousand on a cruise.

CC members. I asked my travel agent to check what was happening at Cunard - she kindly did and received a very speedy response.

This is what Cunard has said:

Hey, whats wrong with dressing as you like?? I have relatives in West Virginia and they consider Dungarees are FORMAL wear and to be used only for weddings, funerals, and Sunday church meetings ( shoes are optional ).

 

I am looking forward to the "dress as you like " option for daytime wear and can picture myself in my Mankini ( its like a bikini for guys ) queuing in the lido at lunchtime or partaking of a drink in the Golden Lion.:evilsmile:

 

I will of course comply with the evening dress codes presuming someone will have worked out by July exactly what they consist of.:confused:.

 

 

 

( for the benefit of Americans I must explain that the above is "tongue in cheek"

 

and not meant to be taken seriously ).

 

 

 

If I wanted to dress like that, or mix with people dressed like thatI would book a cheap package holiday, all drinks included, for about £200 a week and not spend a few thousand on a cruise.

I’ve been on CC for a few years and I realised very early that our US cousins really struggle with the British sense of humour, especially when it’s tongue in cheek [emoji23]

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Thanks DT_PB_all_at_sea for that follow-up with the information from your travel agent.

I do think one point in the latest information you have received appears to be at odds with what Cunard has stated elsewhere about the dress codes though.

- The Casino and Golden Lion Pub have been added to the existing venues where Smart Attire as opposed to Gala Attire is now acceptable.

That's not how I understand it. The Casino and Golden Lion Pub have been added to the existing venues where one may "feel free to dress casually" as Cunard has stated it. Cunard's definition of dressing casually (which does not require a jacket for gentlemen and does apparently allow jeans now) is distinctly different from their definition of "Smart Attire". So I think we may still have some room for confusion on that score at least.

On Cruise Critic I found that it has been rumoured that guests sailing on Queen Victoria on Med itineraries this summer could, on their first night, dine in jeans (due to the late arrival of some guests who had travelled long distances and may not have time to get changed for dinner

Where did this come from ?

Thanks DT_PB_all_at_sea for that follow-up with the information from your travel agent.

 

 

 

I do think one point in the latest information you have received appears to be at odds with what Cunard has stated elsewhere about the dress codes though.

 

 

 

- The Casino and Golden Lion Pub have been added to the existing venues where Smart Attire as opposed to Gala Attire is now acceptable.

 

 

 

That's not how I understand it. The Casino and Golden Lion Pub have been added to the existing venues where one may "feel free to dress casually" as Cunard has stated it. Cunard's definition of dressing casually (which does not require a jacket for gentlemen and does apparently allow jeans now) is distinctly different from their definition of "Smart Attire". So I think we may still have some room for confusion on that score at least.

Jeans is the one item of clothing I’d never pack for a cruise, even less formal ones than Cunard

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Hello, we are booked on two QM2 transatlantic cruises July 6 eastbound and August 19 back. We are also taking a two week river cruise and two week a Celebrity British Isles cruise in between beside 10 days on land. So, what attire is required on the Queen very important since we need different attire on each kind of ship! I had planned to bring tux and gowns for the QM2 in one suitcase and storing it in Southampton until we return 6 weeks later.

No matter what, still will have suit and sport coat for husband and "dress up" (wedding guest type of attire) along with a few silk flowing pants for the REFLECTION. This is what we wear on even Caribbean cruises. Everyone is very complementary and seem to appreciate our lack of jeans.

So my question is, is the above dressy enough for QM2 if the designations are ambiguous but they still mean formal and informal (to save the trouble and expense of lugging a third large suitcase)? It's been awhile since we sailed the QM2. We will not be in the Princess or Queen's Grill.

BTW, I'm sure not all the British understand American sense of humor at all times as well.

Where did this come from ?

I've put together the attached doc which I will attach to the door of our stateroom to guide us through the minefield. It may be wrong but I don't care. I now have a list and I can do lists - they provide me with order where there isn't any.

It's either this or I'll wear my formal attire to the spa and gently float to the bottom in a haze of confused tulle..

cunard qe dress code.pdf

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Hello, we are booked on two QM2 transatlantic cruises July 6 eastbound and August 19 back. We are also taking a two week river cruise and two week a Celebrity British Isles cruise in between beside 10 days on land. So, what attire is required on the Queen very important since we need different attire on each kind of ship! I had planned to bring tux and gowns for the QM2 in one suitcase and storing it in Southampton until we return 6 weeks later.

 

 

 

No matter what, still will have suit and sport coat for husband and "dress up" (wedding guest type of attire) along with a few silk flowing pants for the REFLECTION. This is what we wear on even Caribbean cruises. Everyone is very complementary and seem to appreciate our lack of jeans.

 

 

 

So my question is, is the above dressy enough for QM2 if the designations are ambiguous but they still mean formal and informal (to save the trouble and expense of lugging a third large suitcase)? It's been awhile since we sailed the QM2. We will not be in the Princess or Queen's Grill.

 

 

 

BTW, I'm sure not all the British understand American sense of humor at all times as well.

Sounds ok to me. My interest in this thread is because it will be our 1st Cunard “voyage”.

Having done a number of cruises and having watched dress standards decline, I’m fascinated and looking forward to the Cunard formality and the Grill Suite experience.

Not sure I’d want it on a regular cruise though, but my wife and I still like dressing properly.

Quite some trip you’re undertaking.

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Though your list is wonderful and obviously took time and effort, it only has the Cunard “what to wear / where” - not ‘what to wear’ .......

For example, where were you going to wear the tulle besides the spa?

So Cunard:

What is “casual/relaxed” if not denim?

Please explain “smart attire and gala” ..........

These are all the questions new cruisers are asking (and old Cunarders) of Cunard otherwise the ships will be Australianised with, shorts, singlets and thongs before you can say “Cooee”

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