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In January 2012 Princess implemented a new fleetwide smoking policy on their ships.

In this thread -- [URL]http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1352093[/URL] -- we've asked you to limit smoking discussion to the most recent thread on the subject.

The purpose of this new "sticky" thread is to be the thread for discussion about smoking on Princess and your experiences with the new policy onboard the ships. This is in lieu of having multiple simultaneous threads about various aspects of the policy, and this is where we will combine posts and new threads with cruise-related questions and discussion about Princess's smoking policy.

Thank you to all for participating in our community!

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Dear Michell,
I applaud the new smoking policy in the sense there will not be any more posts about the "chain smokers" on the next balcony ruining people's cruises. However, there are now new threads of people on balconies on the port side complaining about smoke from the promenade deck. Edited by SJGOCH

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Just back from a week on the Crown - smoking policy experience was as follows:

- Overall, the new policy seems to be a step in the right direction; however, limiting smoking in some areas has created problems in others. For example, many people were observed coming into the Casino just to smoke, increasing the smoke levels there. Same is true of the smoking areas on the port side of the pool deck. As a result, these areas have become "smoking lounges".

- We frequently smelled smoke while sitting on our balcony. Although we never saw anyone leaning over the rail smoking it was apparent that the smoking policy was not being enforced in that area. I don't know exactly how they intended to enforce the ban on balcony smoking, but I don't think it should be up to the other passengers. In most cases the stateroom stewards MUST know about and see the evidence of smoking on balconies and staterooms, but in our case there did not seem to be any action !

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[quote name='fnewman']Just back from a week on the Crown - smoking policy experience was as follows:

- Overall, the new policy seems to be a step in the right direction; however, limiting smoking in some areas has created problems in others. For example, many people were observed coming into the Casino just to smoke, increasing the smoke levels there. Same is true of the smoking areas on the port side of the pool deck. As a result, these areas have become "smoking lounges".

- We frequently smelled smoke while sitting on our balcony. Although we never saw anyone leaning over the rail smoking it was apparent that the smoking policy was not being enforced in that area. I don't know exactly how they intended to enforce the ban on balcony smoking, but I don't think it should be up to the other passengers. In most cases the stateroom stewards MUST know about and see the evidence of smoking on balconies and staterooms, but in our case there did not seem to be any action ![/quote]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]We all know that it's quite easy to [U]visually[/U] hide smoking on a balcony (especially at night) and I do agree the cabin stewards should inform the people about it when detected but unless passengers step up & say something about it when the actually violation is occurring there's no hope of full enforcement. Celebrity has similar violations on their ships & the smoking ban has been in effect for quite a while.

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Just this morning I attended a lecture where I met a woman just off the Emerald. She bragged about the fact that her husband spent most of his day smoking on the balcony. Obviously this is something that is not going to be easily enforced.

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[quote name='Richie2pies']So very easy...... I disagree with the new smoking policy and therefore cancelled 2 future cruises on Princess. I voted with my wallet.[/QUOTE]

We recently booked a Princess cruise BECAUSE of this policy. We had our choices narrowed down to three cruises we were considering, one on RCCL, one on HAL and one and Princess. We choose the Princess cruise because of this policy change. We made sure Princess (through our Princess travel consultant) was aware of why we choose Princess over the others.

(Subject should probably say "That's minus two and plus one.") Edited by MacWiz
Clarification.

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[quote name='1 HappyCruiser'][FONT=Comic Sans MS]We all know that it's quite easy to [U]visually[/U] hide smoking on a balcony (especially at night) and I do agree the cabin stewards should inform the people about it when detected but unless passengers step up & say something about it when the actually violation is occurring there's no hope of full enforcement. Celebrity has similar violations on their ships & the smoking ban has been in effect for quite a while.

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I think the majority of passengers on Celebrity think it is unfair to make it the responsibility of the room stewards to report smoking violations. I think it could put them in a very uncomfortable situation. On X, if we can pinpoint the cabin, a quick call to Guest Services results in Security visiting that cabin with a copy of the written rules (so they can't plead ignorance) which lays out the escalating penalties for repeat offenses. Having a smoke free balcony is what people on Princess and Celebrity have paid for just like smokers can pay for a balcony on HAL.

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[quote name='Christine Frances']I think the majority of passengers on Celebrity think it is unfair to make it the responsibility of the room stewards to report smoking violations. I think it could put them in a very uncomfortable situation. On X, if we can pinpoint the cabin, a quick call to Guest Services results in Security visiting that cabin with a copy of the written rules (so they can't plead ignorance) which lays out the escalating penalties for repeat offenses. Having a smoke free balcony is what people on Princess and Celebrity have paid for just like smokers can pay for a balcony on HAL.[/quote]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]It's a tough call to pin point where smoke is coming from unless people in an adjoining cabin speak up when they smell & see it. Hopefully there will be sufficient people who will speak up so not to have situations like Pia1913 described. [/FONT]

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On vacation we would not spend time tattle taling on smokers.
This also could put passengers in a bad situation as well. Edited by highheel girl

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[quote name='highheel girl']On vacation we would not spend time tattle taling on smokers.
This also could put passengers in a bad situation as well.[/quote]

Certainly your option:)

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[quote name='highheel girl']On vacation we would not spend time tattle taling on smokers.[/quote]If I'm on my balcony and a neighbor smokes, affecting my enjoyment of the balcony, I'll be the first one on the phone reporting it. Let Security handle it from there. I would feel no guilt as I wouldn't be the one flaunting the policy.

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[quote name='Pam in CA']If I'm on my balcony and a neighbor smokes, affecting my enjoyment of the balcony, I'll be the first one on the phone reporting it. Let Security handle it from there. I would feel no guilt as I wouldn't be the one flaunting the policy.[/quote]


Certainly your option too. :)

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[quote name='highheel girl']On vacation we would not spend time tattle taling on smokers.
[COLOR=Red]This also could put passengers in a bad situation as well.[/COLOR][/quote]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]I really hope so. :p That's really to bad when their affecting the comfort & health of many others. Don't smoke the balcony & you won't have any problems. Smoke, and you'll have numerous people calling you on it.
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[quote name='Pam in CA']If I'm on my balcony and a neighbor smokes, affecting my enjoyment of the balcony, [COLOR=Red]I'll be the first one on the phone reporting it.[/COLOR] Let Security handle it from there. I would feel no guilt as I wouldn't be the one flaunting the policy.[/quote]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Not if I beat you to it ! :D and it won't only have to be my next door neighbor.
I can smell it from quite a far distance. ;)
I'm willing to give my next door neighbors a courteous warning first and after that it's securities job. [/FONT]

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My husband and I are sooo happy that Princess has changed their smoking policy. We have complained several times when smoking prohibited us from enjoying our balcony, so we are very excited that they have heard us!!:)

Thanks Princess!!!

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[quote name='1 HappyCruiser'] [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Not if I beat you to it ! :D and it won't only have to be my next door neighbor. [/FONT][/quote]The bottom line is that by reporting it, you haven't made trouble for anyone. It's up to Security to decide if there's a problem and take the appropriate action. It doesn't put you in the middle.

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Where is the smoking policy outlined? We are looking at Princess for our Alaskan cruise in 2013 and this could be a big plus for us.

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I am just back from the Emerald. I too am pleased that there is no smoking allowed on balconies although I generally have an inside room. At no time did I smell smoke in the hallways, elevator lobbies etc. However, I found that the smell coming from Gatsby's Casino was horrible, it could be smelled when you were at the Passenger Services desk, in the hallways outside the casino and it was terrible on deck 7 for people that were 'walking the promenade deck' for exercise and had to wander through the smoking section. Never noticed it on prior cruises so am assuming it is because those folks cannot smoke on their own balcony. Several times I ended up walking through the smoker's lounge on the pool deck but that's my own fault. I didn't spend any time on that side of the deck. Short of eliminating smoking all together on the ship, I think that the smokers have a variety of areas where they may still smoke and those of us who don't like the smell, have enough areas to go to avoid the smoke. I feel it a very fair policy.

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[quote name='Christine Frances']I think the majority of passengers on Celebrity think it is unfair to make it the responsibility of the room stewards to report smoking violations. I think it could put them in a very uncomfortable situation. On X, if we can pinpoint the cabin, a quick call to Guest Services results in Security visiting that cabin with a copy of the written rules (so they can't plead ignorance) which lays out the escalating penalties for repeat offenses. Having a smoke free balcony is what people on Princess and Celebrity have paid for just like smokers can pay for a balcony on HAL.[/quote]And it is even more unfair to make it the responsibility of the passengers. I would think the cruise lines depend on the cabin stewards to report any issues with smoking. I agree that it is an uncomfortable situation for them but it is part of their job. Many people have jobs that can lead them into an uncomfortable situations..it is what is.
[quote name='highheel girl']On vacation we would not spend time tattle taling on smokers.
This also could put passengers in a bad situation as well.[/quote]Agree. That is exactly what I did on my Summit cruise.....did not say a thing about my next door neighbor smoking on their balcony.

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[quote name='Pam in CA']The bottom line is that by reporting it, you haven't made trouble for anyone. It's up to Security to decide if there's a problem and take the appropriate action. It doesn't put you in the middle.[/quote]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]I don't mind being but in the middle of anything. What's the worst that could happen? Nothing except the smoking will be stopped & if not they'll be given a fine of $250. LOL:D:D[/FONT]

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[quote name='roe2ship']And it is even more unfair to make it the responsibility of the passengers. I would think the cruise lines depend on the cabin stewards to report any issues with smoking. I agree that it is an uncomfortable situation for them but it is part of their job. Many people have jobs that can lead them into an uncomfortable situations..it is what is.
Agree. That is exactly what I did on my Summit cruise.....did not say a thing about my next door neighbor smoking on their balcony.[/QUOTE]

Simple. If the smoking on a balcony next door bothers me I will call guest services. If it does not bother me I won't call them. Same as other problems on a ship.

As far as the person that is concerned about putting people in a bad situation. If they violate the policy they have put themselves in a potentialy bad situation. Edited by Charles4515

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[quote name='roe2ship']And it is even more unfair to make it the responsibility of the passengers. I would think the cruise lines depend on the cabin stewards to report any issues with smoking. I agree that it is an uncomfortable situation for them but it is part of their job. Many people have jobs that can lead them into an uncomfortable situations..it is what is.[/quote]

Absolutley.
Seems that many enjoy the confrontation and thrive on it.
So much anger.
Its a pitty to be so stressed out when on vacation.
We don't smoke and don't get excited about smokers. Edited by highheel girl

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We are very happy that Princess has changed their smoking policy. We just booked our first cruise with Princess because of this new smoking policy. We used to play in the Casino very often but due to the smoking there we will eliminate the Casino.

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I know that the Terrace Pool is for adults, the question I have is, can you smoke by the bar by the pool?

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[quote]Simple answer.....no. [/quote]

Not true on a recent Star Princess cruise. Several officers smoked daily while sitting at the end of the bar (on the port side of the ship), several tables on the port side near the bar were also smoking tables and smoking was allowed along railing above the Terrace Pool on the port side.

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[quote name='martyz']I know that the Terrace Pool is for adults, the question I have is, can you smoke by the bar by the pool?[/quote]We can only comment on the Grand, Golden, Star and Sapphire and there may have been changes since January 15th but I doubt it. Depending upon the ship there are lounge chairs or tables in the Horizon Terrace area and smoking is permitted on the port side of that area. Smoking is also permitted on the port side of the Sun and Sports decks above. People were also allowed to smoke on the lounge chairs next to the Terrace Pool on the port side on the Sapphire in September. Edited by IECalCruiser
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[quote name='gometros']Where is the smoking policy outlined? We are looking at Princess for our Alaskan cruise in 2013 and this could be a big plus for us.[/QUOTE]

Here's the link: [url]http://www.princess.com/learn/faq_answer/onboard/experience.jsp[/url]

And here's the text... interesting bit about e-cigs...

[I]Keeping the comfort of our passengers a priority, and in consideration of consumer studies which show smokers are a small minority of passengers, Princess has implemented the following smoking policy:

Designated Smoking Areas
Clearly marked “Designated Smoking Areas” are available onboard and include a sufficient number of ashtrays that are emptied regularly. Generally, these areas include cigar lounges, a section of the nightclub and casino, as well as a portion of the open decks. As a safety precaution, passengers are reminded to properly dispose of cigarettes, cigars and pipe tobacco, which are never to be thrown overboard as this may be sucked back into the ship and cause fires.

Stateroom Smoking Policy Update
For all voyages departing after January 15th, 2012, Princess Cruises will prohibit smoking in passenger staterooms and balconies. This policy change reflects the preferences of a vast majority of our passengers who value having their primary living space (both stateroom and balcony) smoke-free. As balconies are a hallmark of Princess Cruises, we believe it is important to keep this peaceful space clear of smoke. Violations to this policy will result in a $250 fine for each occurrence, which will be charged to the passenger’s stateroom account. Keeping with the global trend toward more restrictive smoking policies and honoring the wishes of our passengers, we feel this change will enhance our onboard experience and do more to help our passengers escape completely.

Electronic Cigarettes
The use of electronic cigarettes is permitted in all areas onboard with the exception of dining areas and the Princess Theater. However, should a fellow passenger in the vicinity feel inconvenienced and complain, even after being told the difference between electronic cigarettes and real cigarettes, we will ask the passenger to refrain from smoking the electronic cigarette.[/I]

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[quote name='newfirsttimer']I am just back from the Emerald. I too am pleased that there is no smoking allowed on balconies although I generally have an inside room. At no time did I smell smoke in the hallways, elevator lobbies etc. However, I found that the smell coming from Gatsby's Casino was horrible, it could be smelled when you were at the Passenger Services desk, in the hallways outside the casino and it was terrible on deck 7 for people that were 'walking the promenade deck' for exercise and had to wander through the smoking section. Never noticed it on prior cruises so am assuming it is because those folks cannot smoke on their own balcony. Several times I ended up walking through the smoker's lounge on the pool deck but that's my own fault. I didn't spend any time on that side of the deck. Short of eliminating smoking all together on the ship, I think that the smokers have a variety of areas where they may still smoke and those of us who don't like the smell, have enough areas to go to avoid the smoke. I feel it a very fair policy.[/quote]

Can the casino be easily avoided when going from point A to point B on the ship? I know that on some of the Carnival ships, the casino spans the width of the ship, so unless you walk up (or down a flight) and then reverse, you cannot avoid walking through the casino.

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[quote name='gometros']Can the casino be easily avoided when going from point A to point B on the ship? I know that on some of the Carnival ships, the casino spans the width of the ship, so unless you walk up (or down a flight) and then reverse, you cannot avoid walking through the casino.[/QUOTE]

The Casino's on the grands are between the atrium and the theater on either the Promenade deck or the deck below. You can access the theater from either deck, and also use the starboard promenade to avoid smoke. So yes, there no need to walk through the casino.

That said its sometimes the most convenient path from where you are, to where you want to go.

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[quote name='highheel girl']Absolutley. Seems that many enjoy the confrontation and thrive on it. So much anger.[/quote]It's not anger. I get very sick from smoke so it does affect me negatively. It's not fair for someone to flaunt the rules and deliberately make me sick. Before the change, there was little I could do except keep my door closed and not go outside. Now, I should be able to enjoy my balcony. That's not anger; that's getting what I paid for. I have an equal right to enjoy my balcony now.

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[quote name='Pam in CA']It's not anger. I get very sick from smoke so it does affect me negatively. It's not fair for someone to flaunt the rules and deliberately make me sick. Before the change, there was little I could do except keep my door closed and not go outside. Now, I should be able to enjoy my balcony. That's not anger; that's getting what I paid for. I have an equal right to enjoy my balcony now.[/QUOTE]

I have a cruise on Princess this December. Their smoking policies are one of the reasons I prefer to book now with Celebrity and Princess. If someone smokes on the balcony next to me and the smoke bothers me, since Princess now advertises smoke free balconies I don't see why I should not be annoyed or even angry. And why would I keep that to myself on the ship? Of course I would ask Princess crew on the ship to enforce their policy. Edited by Charles4515

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[quote name='Charles4515']Simple. If the smoking on a balcony next door bothers me I will call guest services. If it does not bother me I won't call them. Same as other problems on a ship.

As far as the person that is concerned about putting people in a bad situation. If they violate the policy they have put themselves in a potentialy bad situation.[/quote]
[COLOR=#0033cc][FONT=Verdana]I agree with you it is a simple matter whether or not someone chooses to report it or not. The difficult task will be is how the cruise line will deal with the issue once it is reported. Of course guest services will look into the situation (or shall I say claim they will or did) and may issue a warning to the offender if they feel it was appropriate or not. Will this stop the smoker….maybe or maybe not. We all know as you said yourself, there are other problems on ships too…rules/policies are in place yet are consistently broken. The full enforcement is just not there and the new smoking policy will probably be added to the list of issues the cruise lines have difficulty enforcing.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Unfortunately the first time someone gets charged the smoking penalty, I can see them removing their gratuities to offset. It's a no win situation because of the "Me" mentality of today's society. There is only one 100% solution, which no cruiseline wants to go down.

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[quote name='Pam in CA']It's not anger. I get very sick from smoke so it does affect me negatively. It's not fair for someone to flaunt the rules and deliberately make me sick. Before the change, there was little I could do except keep my door closed and not go outside. Now, I should be able to enjoy my balcony. That's not anger; that's getting what I paid for. I have an equal right to enjoy my balcony now.[/quote]

I agree Pam! Some may actually be ignorant of the rules and may not know. Not all are flaunting the rules and I don't think its fair that you label all that way.
You may be void of anger but I sense some that may enjoy the negitive interaction, whether it be directly with a passenger or through staff. ;)

I have stated my opinion and thats all I will say on the matter. Edited by highheel girl

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[quote name='RickEk'][I]
Electronic Cigarettes
[COLOR=Red]The use of electronic cigarettes is permitted in all areas onboard with the exception of dining areas and the Princess Theater.[/COLOR] However, should a fellow passenger in the vicinity feel inconvenienced and complain, even after being told the difference between electronic cigarettes and real cigarettes, we will ask the passenger to refrain from smoking the electronic cigarette.[/I][/quote]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]So it appears that they will try & convince people that the electronic cigarettes are nothing to worry about & only then will they stop people from using them. Everywhere on the ship is acceptable except for the eating areas & main show lounge. [/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS] It should prove an interesting concept to enforce. [/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS] [/FONT]

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[quote name='golfb4cruzing']Unfortunately the first time someone gets charged the smoking penalty, I can see them removing their gratuities to offset. It's a no win situation because of the "Me" mentality of today's society. There is only one 100% solution, which no cruiseline wants to go down.[/QUOTE]

The 100% solution did not work, been there done that. You are so correct if a room steward turns someone in there go the graturities. Personally I think Carnival got it right.
Time will tell and when it hits the bottom line I look for it to go unenforced. There is enough going on right now that is not helping the industry.

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[quote name='newfirsttimer']I am just back from the Emerald. I too am pleased that there is no smoking allowed on balconies although I generally have an inside room. At no time did I smell smoke in the hallways, elevator lobbies etc. However, I found that the smell coming from Gatsby's Casino was horrible, it could be smelled when you were at the Passenger Services desk, in the hallways outside the casino and it was terrible on deck 7 for people that were 'walking the promenade deck' for exercise and had to wander through the smoking section. Never noticed it on prior cruises so am assuming it is because those folks cannot smoke on their own balcony. Several times I ended up walking through the smoker's lounge on the pool deck but that's my own fault. I didn't spend any time on that side of the deck. Short of eliminating smoking all together on the ship, I think that the smokers have a variety of areas where they may still smoke and those of us who don't like the smell, have enough areas to go to avoid the smoke. I feel it a very fair policy.[/quote]

[COLOR=Red]One reason I'll be checking deck plans to see where the casino and cigar bar is on a ship before booking a cabin. I remember some ship (the Island?) where you had to go through the casino on one deck to go back and forth. I definitely remember on the Island that Churchills (the cigar bar) was on the grand atrium and too many times the Promenade deck and the decks below that around the atrium would be filled with smoke. I prefer when both those locations are on a lower deck and at one end of the ship where you don't have to go by just to get around to other locations.[/COLOR]

[quote name='Charles4515']Simple. If the smoking on a balcony next door bothers me I will call guest services. If it does not bother me I won't call them. Same as other problems on a ship.

As far as the person that is concerned about putting people in a bad situation. If they violate the policy they have put themselves in a potentialy bad situation.[/quote]

Sp true. I imagine that there would be notices in the cabins and in the Patters about the new policy. I don't hesitate to tell someone to put out their cig or move if they come into an area where I am and then light up. Some people will realize they goofed up by not asking if it's okay. Every once in a while, you get someone who is a jerk (which is why there's a need for policies to get enacted).

California has had no-smoking policies for a long time and I remember once some guy entering the area where we were sitting at a mall. He lit up (and there are signs that he obviously didn't see or ignored that advertise the prohibition) and I told him there's no smoking. He basically said make him stop. The people behind the counter got nervous because I was eying the pitcher of water near them (we were regulars at this place so they knew I was pregnant -- and if you know anything about a hormonal pregnant woman, you know not to cross them) and called security to explain to this guy, who was from another state, that he needed to leave. If that didn't happen, he would have gotten wet.;)

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