Service Animals on Celebrity Ship?

[wizard-of-roz]

You're right...if the dog eats the food, throw the owner overboard:). The point is what laws does a cruise ship have to follow....that's for service dogs, safety, felony assaults, health, etc. I really don't know but I'm at least intellectually interested in finding out. If a dog eats off an mdr table, does any legal authority care?

 

That is where the "public" comes in. YOU "John "Q" Public" must step forward and ask that the offending dog and owner be removed because the dog and owner have broken the rules and laws governed by the ADA.

 

The ADA laws stipulate that the dog will not disrupt or cause a mess making the public uncomfortable. The dog is not allowed to lick/sniff/scratch/eat or go potty in a public venue. If you see negative behavior you may report the dog and owner to the Hotel Manager and let them know that the behavior was offensive. The Hotel Manager will use you as a witness and won't be so fearful of any future law suits or threats thereof.

 

I walk with a Service Dog and wouldn't hesitate to report poor behavior by a Service Dog and it's owner. I'm proud of my dogs behavior and I don't like it when other folks make it difficult for me to go into public.

[wizard-of-roz]

I believe ADA rules say that if a service dog misbehaves (pooping in public places), the company can make the dog leave the building, but that company has to offer up someone to fill the void, with a person to do the task that the dog does for their owner. The person with the pooping dog, who we all pretty much know is a pet, would leave as we'll, because after all, it is only about them bringing Fluffy with them. I think Celebrity should do it. For any dog that doesn't act according to ADA rules.

 

It would be easier for the cruise ship/supermarket/theatre, etc. if the public came forward and let them know that they were willing to serve as witnesses. The establishments are fearful of lawsuits but if they told the offending dog owner that they had a list of people who were willing to testify in a court of law that the dog was behaving badly, I promise you people wouldn't be so willing to break the rules and drag their poor pets everywhere with them!

 

Please, if you are offended by the behavior of a so called Service Animal please let the offending owner know that you are willing to be a witness against them so it might be best if they stayed in their cabin for the rest of the cruise!!!! Or, you might suggest to management that they be put off the ship at the next port.

Edited June 1, 2014 by wizard-of-roz

[NLH Arizona]

It would be easier for the cruise ship/supermarket/theatre, etc. if the public came forward and let them know that they were willing to serve as witnesses. The establishments are fearful of lawsuits but if they told the offending dog owner that they had a list of people who were willing to testify in a court of law that the dog was behaving badly, I promise you people wouldn't be so willing to break the rules and drag their poor pets everywhere with them!

 

Please, if you are offended by the behavior of a so called Service Animal please let the offending owner know that you are willing to be a witness against them so it might be best if they stayed in their cabin for the rest of the cruise!!!! Or, you might suggest to management that they be put off the ship at the next port.

You are so right. In a conversation with Celebrity, I brought this issue up and told them I would be very vocal about it. But these people that have to bring their dogs really don't care. I'm in Vegas and Caesar's Palace allows small dogs. When I got back to my room last night, someone left their dog alone and it barked for two hours. Obviously they cared more about gambling, then they did other people or their dog.

 

I love my dog with all my heart, but I know where she belongs and where she doesn't and a cruise ship is some place she doesn't belong.

Edited June 1, 2014 by NLH Arizona

[wizard-of-roz]

You are so right. In a conversation with Celebrity, I brought this issue up and told them I would be very vocal about it. But these people that have to bring their dogs really don't care. I'm in Vegas and Caesar's Palace allows small dogs. When I got back to my room last night, someone left their dog alone and it barked for two hours. Obviously they cared more about gambling, then they did other people or their dog.

 

I love my dog with all my heart, but I know where she belongs and where she doesn't and a cruise ship is some place she doesn't belong.

 

I would have called management and then "Animal Control", they would have come, picked up the poor dog, taken it to the nearest shelter and I promise you these folks who "abandoned" the dog for enough hours for the dog to become upset, would think twice about leaving it alone in a hotel room again!

 

It's cruel to leave a dog alone behind closed doors, in a strange environment. It's upsetting to the dog and to the people around the abandoned dog, who have to listen to its plaintive wales!

[NLH Arizona]

I would have called management and then "Animal Control", they would have come, picked up the poor dog, taken it to the nearest shelter and I promise you these folks who "abandoned" the dog for enough hours for the dog to become upset, would think twice about leaving it alone in a hotel room again!

 

It's cruel to leave a dog alone behind closed doors, in a strange environment. It's upsetting to the dog and to the people around the abandoned dog, who have to listen to its plaintive wales!

I did call management and their solution was to move me. I felt so sorry for the dog. They must have moved them to a floor where dogs were allowed, because they weren't there this morning.

[wizard-of-roz]

I did call management and their solution was to move me. I felt so sorry for the dog. They must have moved them to a floor where dogs were allowed, because they weren't there this morning.

 

What a shame! I once broke the window of a car to get a dog out who was left in 100 degree temperatures. The owner never did return while I was there. I called the nearest animal shelter and after taking the dog into my office and giving it water [it stayed with me until the shelter folks arrived.]

 

I have no idea what happened when the person came back and saw his broken window and his dog missing. And, other than caring what happened to the dog, I really don't care what the "moron" who left his dog felt.

 

I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

Edited June 2, 2014 by wizard-of-roz

[cle-guy]

"Service Animal" in the news:

 

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2014/06/02/dog-pooping-on-flight-forces-emergency-landing/?intcmp=obnetwork

 

Although they don't SAY it was a service animal, airlines do not let "pets" in cabin unless it can fit and stay inside an approved carrier under the seat in front of you.

 

The size of this dog implies it had to be brought on board under the "guise" of being a service animal, apparently trained to crap anyplace it wants and not hold its bowels for a domestic flight, twice.

 

But hey, the owner wants to send out Starbucks gift cards as an apology. There's always that.

[dkjretired]

and if that's true, then the service dog protection laws wouldn't apply either. Once 3 miles offshore, ask the dog owner what disability they have that the dog helps; ask the owner if you can offer food to the dog and if the dog eats it throw it overboard (the dog, not the food), and so on because maybe there are no laws that would apply.

 

It would be interesting to hear from a lawyer as to what laws pertain to what ships and at what point in the cruise. Surely someone governs what happens on ships at sea or crime would be rampant, etc.

 

Cruise lines have agreed to abide by the ADA, its in their business interest.

Edited June 3, 2014 by dkjretired

[dkjretired]

You are so right. In a conversation with Celebrity, I brought this issue up and told them I would be very vocal about it. But these people that have to bring their dogs really don't care. I'm in Vegas and Caesar's Palace allows small dogs. When I got back to my room last night, someone left their dog alone and it barked for two hours. Obviously they cared more about gambling, then they did other people or their dog.

 

I love my dog with all my heart, but I know where she belongs and where she doesn't and a cruise ship is some place she doesn't belong.

 

Go to a casino and see how many people leave their kids sitting in the hallway while they gamble.

[Caribbean Chris]

I worked in the airline industry as a district sales manager some years ago. People also get sick and even die on board airplanes, a very unpleasant experience for other passengers, and at great cost to the airline to divert.

 

The recent unhappy episode with the dog on board made the news because, (along with the awful effect on passengers and expense to the airline, of course) it is such a rare occurrence.

 

Dogs for the Deaf, founded in Oregon in 1977, trained my hearing dog, which crossed the country accompanied by her trainer. and made two flight connections to reach me without incident.

 

Typically, the trainer told me, passengers are surprised when they disembark to learn that there was a dog on board since it slept quietly at the trainer's feet. That never makes the news - why would it? It's the norm.

[alexspepa]

"Service Animal" in the news:

 

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2014/06/02/dog-pooping-on-flight-forces-emergency-landing/?intcmp=obnetwork

 

Although they don't SAY it was a service animal, airlines do not let "pets" in cabin unless it can fit and stay inside an approved carrier under the seat in front of you.

 

The size of this dog implies it had to be brought on board under the "guise" of being a service animal, apparently trained to crap anyplace it wants and not hold its bowels for a domestic flight, twice.

 

But hey, the owner wants to send out Starbucks gift cards as an apology. There's always that.

 

I might be inclined to give this one a break - is it not possible the dog was ill, and maybe the owner did not know it until it was too late?

 

glad i wasn't on the plane though...

[cle-guy]

I might be inclined to give this one a break - is it not possible the dog was ill, and maybe the owner did not know it until it was too late?

 

glad i wasn't on the plane though...

 

Perhaps... From what assistance dog owners tell me, they are trained to "hold it" until its proper time, but they do have off days for sure. I know several flight attendant friends, and they tell stories of the stuff people try to get away with, especially the larger and largest of dogs.

 

One even had a mini horse board.

 

I understand some actually do use the mini horse especially if mobility impaired for example, but another had a Mastiff, another Weimeriner, etc. I'm not saying all assistance animals need to be small and petite, but it certainly makes little sense when one is among the most gigantic of breeds rather than a smaller to medium sized breed.

 

As flight attendants, they are able to observe and assess behavior (and not the stupid vests or tags) to determine if an animal is a service animal, and that behavior like a prior poster said, means that in most instances no one would have even had a clue an animal boarded, much less paced up and down an aisle and let out a deuce 2 (3 by some of the reports) times on a flight.

 

When I fly with my dog, legitimately by paying the "in cabin pet fee", I stop his food the night before, make sure he does business that night and in the morning before we head to the airport so he's "empty", then feed him on arrival. I assume those with service animals would follow similar protocols when traveling whereas those with entitled pets may not.

Edited June 3, 2014 by cle-guy

[Quampapetet]

Wally Conron does regret breeding the Goldendoodle but not because of the dog itself but because of the abuse of humans who are greedy and market these dogs as hypoallergenic. There is NO breed of dog that is hypoallergenic. There are some breeds that cause fewer allergic symptoms than others. Poodles are viewed as the best of the lot. Some dog breeds are marketed as hypoallergenic because they don't shed fur or they shed very little. Because these dogs don't shed, the allergy-causing dander that sticks to their fur doesn't get released into the air or onto the floor as much as with a shedding dog.

 

To say that "the doodle mutts are a mistake" shows bias against some very wonderful dogs. I have a rescued golden doodle - born in a puppy mill - rescued at 8 weeks. He is the cutest animal I've ever seen, loves everyone, lets strange children climb on him - as he resembles a stuffed animal. He is a great watch dog, gets alone with other animals and is very smart. He also sheds and is allergic to everything including vaccinations, requiring us to carry an Epi pen. Hypoallergenic no - mutt yes - mistake no.

 

"Hypoallergenic" is not the same as "non-allergenic". "Hypoallergenic" means less likely to be allergenic to most people, but one can still be allergic to hypoallergenic dogs, hypoallergenic makeup, hypoallergenic jewelry, hypoallergenic soap, etc.

 

I do not have a bias against doodles, but think the huge trend of breeding the mutts as if they were the latest best purebred was a huge mistake. I have a relative who has a doodle and he is very cute - I swear when they walk it people have asked if it was a real bear, LOL!!! Just as with any mutt, they can be great dogs or okay dogs or bad dogs.

 

Sorry to hear your pup is so allergic to everything! That has to be scary!

[Quampapetet]

I might be inclined to give this one a break - is it not possible the dog was ill, and maybe the owner did not know it until it was too late?

 

glad i wasn't on the plane though...

 

If you read the article, it sounds like the dog had diarrhea because they had to use a lot of paper towels to clean it up (they ran out of them, so didn't have enough for the second accident) and it stunk so bad that some people threw up. Could have been an ESA, service dog, or pet faked as a service dog. I am guessing ESA since I didn't see a vest or harness in the photo (though neither is required).

[babyher]

First off, God bless the legitimate service animals and the help they give the owners who truly truly need it.

 

 

But when the hell did we become this nation of hot house orchids that can't walk out their front door and function without a lap dog in their purse , or parrot on their shoulder , or a monkey on a leash dressed up as a cowboy.

 

 

There is no one who loves their dogs as much as I love my two guys , but they are pets , pure and simple , I love them more than some people I know , but they don't belong in restaurants, or movie theaters or cruise ships.

[babyher]

What a shame! I once broke the window of a car to get a dog out who was left in 100 degree temperatures. The owner never did return while I was there. I called the nearest animal shelter and after taking the dog into my office and giving it water [it stayed with me until the shelter folks arrived.]

 

I have no idea what happened when the person came back and saw his broken window and his dog missing. And, other than caring what happened to the dog, I really don't care what the "moron" who left his dog felt.

 

I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

 

 

Good for you.

 

Would do the same if need be .

 

One time I was in a store parking lot and saw a woman and her son getting out of a car leaveing a dog in the car with the windows rolled up. It wasn't that hot, but still. I just got out of work and still had my uniform on, I am a 9-1-1 dispatcher and although nothing like a police uniform , I wear patches with police and fire logos on them and people confuse them.

 

Before I could walk over to the woman , another lady stopped her and told her she shouldn't leave the dog in the car with no air. The woman looked at her and said "Then don't leave YOUR dog in the car with no air, and walked toward the store.

 

I stopped her and said "She's right , you shouldn't leave him alone in the car" Actually forgetting what I was wearing :)

 

Her whole tone changed. "Oh officer no , I wasn't going to do that, My son is staying in the car while I go in, he just got out to tell me what he wants from the store." She was full of crap, they were both already by the door to the store.

 

She sent the kid back and he sat in the car with the dog with the door open.

 

The lady that tried to help was very nice , she thanked me for stepping in and thank God an officer was here at the time.

 

I told her I wasn't an officer but hey , if it got the woman to not leave the dog locked up in the car, she could have though I was an Avon Lady for all I care *LOL*

[NLH Arizona]

First off, God bless the legitimate service animals and the help they give the owners who truly truly need it.

 

 

But when the hell did we become this nation of hot house orchids that can't walk out their front door and function without a lap dog in their purse , or parrot on their shoulder , or a monkey on a leash dressed up as a cowboy.

 

 

There is no one who loves their dogs as much as I love my two guys , but they are pets , pure and simple , I love them more than some people I know , but they don't belong in restaurants, or movie theaters or cruise ships.

I don't get it either. I love my dog and take her on road trips. The difference is, we stay in large pet friendly hotels and rented houses, she is crated if I leave the hotel or rented house (even though she is not crated ever at home, I want to make 100% sure, she does no damage in someone else's property), I quiet her when she barks, so she won't disturb others, don't allow her on other's furniture and I pick up after her outside. I would never think of trying to get her in somewhere that "pets" are not allowed.

 

Because of people who always break the rules, like taking untrained dogs where they don't belong, it makes it much more difficult for responsible dog owners to find hotels and rented houses that accept our well behaved dogs.

[cle-guy]

I don't get it either. I love my dog and take her on road trips. The difference is, we stay in large pet friendly hotels and rented houses, she is crated if I leave the hotel or rented house (even though she is not crated ever at home, I want to make 100% sure, she does no damage in someone else's property), I quiet her when she barks, so she won't disturb others, don't allow her on other's furniture and I pick up after her outside. I would never think of trying to get her in somewhere that "pets" are not allowed.

 

Because of people who always break the rules, like taking untrained dogs where they don't belong, it makes it much more difficult for responsible dog owners to find hotels and rented houses that accept our well behaved dogs.

 

My dog travels and flies with me most places. Sucks he costs $125 each way to be a piece of cabin luggage that would otherwise be free, but that's what I do. As a pup, he was trained to sleep in his travel bag that fits under airline seats, and he still sleeps in it. When I go to hotels, I bring a break down crate and he stays in there for the day if he isn't off with me having fun, just as if he were home and I was at work for the day, it fits well in bottom of a large suitcase. He loves exploring, and I love traveling with him. I'd be terribly embarrassed if he made any mess or damage, and would promptly resolve anything he did, I even travel with a travel size bottle of urine remover and cleaner just in case and of course have doggie bags attached to his retractable leas for dog walking time.

 

I now stay only at pet friendly hotels, even if I don't have my pup with me.

[NLH Arizona]

My dog travels and flies with me most places. Sucks he costs $125 each way to be a piece of cabin luggage that would otherwise be free, but that's what I do. As a pup, he was trained to sleep in his travel bag that fits under airline seats, and he still sleeps in it. When I go to hotels, I bring a break down crate and he stays in there for the day if he isn't off with me having fun, just as if he were home and I was at work for the day, it fits well in bottom of a large suitcase. He loves exploring, and I love traveling with him. I'd be terribly embarrassed if he made any mess or damage, and would promptly resolve anything he did, I even travel with a travel size bottle of urine remover and cleaner just in case and of course have doggie bags attached to his retractable leas for dog walking time.

 

I now stay only at pet friendly hotels, even if I don't have my pup with me.

If your break down crate is metal you might want to try one of the canvas ones...they are kind of like tents. I have two, but unfortunately, I didn't do a trip until Sadie was 1 1/2 and she was afraid of it, so I had to buy a metal crate while on the trip. The canvas ones are really lightweight and fold up nicely.

 

This is the kind I have:

 

[cle-guy]

If your break down crate is metal you might want to try one of the canvas ones...they are kind of like tents. I have two, but unfortunately, I didn't do a trip until Sadie was 1 1/2 and she was afraid of it, so I had to buy a metal crate while on the trip. The canvas ones are really lightweight and fold up nicely.

 

This is the kind I have:

 

 

I tried one of those. Tyler poked right thru the zipper teeth his first day LOL.

[wizard-of-roz]

I love it when "people" treat their dogs with respect, kindness and love.

 

Thank you to both of you.

 

Taking a Service Dog on a cruise is not always easy but I love cruising and since my DH passed away my Service Dog, "Horton", assists me through life and gives me the confidence to continue to work and travel. I couldn't do either without him!

[babyher]

I love it when "people" treat their dogs with respect, kindness and love.

 

Thank you to both of you.

 

Taking a Service Dog on a cruise is not always easy but I love cruising and since my DH passed away my Service Dog, "Horton", assists me through life and gives me the confidence to continue to work and travel. I couldn't do either without him!

 

 

After over 30 years between being an EMT and 9-1-1 dispatcher, my heart will always be with children, and animals.

 

Many times NOT ALL!!!!!!! people get exactly what they deserve , or look for their own aggravation . But children and animals are so innocent you can't help but feel for them.

[TFM70]

I am allergic to dogs and cats so I try to stay away from all animals.I thought I was safe on cruise ships!! I do love animals but hate it when people take there animals everywhere and think everybody is going to love there pet.For someone to say it is a service animal when it clearly is not is horrible!!!:mad:

You took the words right out of my mouth, except I don't like dogs of any shape . I have no problems with true service dogs.

[Merriem]

"Service Animal" in the news:

 

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2014/06/02/dog-pooping-on-flight-forces-emergency-landing/?intcmp=obnetwork

 

Although they don't SAY it was a service animal, airlines do not let "pets" in cabin unless it can fit and stay inside an approved carrier under the seat in front of you.

 

The size of this dog implies it had to be brought on board under the "guise" of being a service animal, apparently trained to crap anyplace it wants and not hold its bowels for a domestic flight, twice.

 

But hey, the owner wants to send out Starbucks gift cards as an apology. There's always that.

 

On a recent flight from LAX there was a service dog sitting in the bulkhead in front of a seat, and being a lab, it was not crated. It was a well behaved dog, much nicer than some passengers

Edited June 15, 2014 by Merriem

[BosoxI]

On a recent flight from LAX there was a service dog sitting in the bulkhead in front of a seat, and being a lab, it was not crated. It was a well behaved dog, much nicer than some passengers

 

 

DW jand I just flew on a plane with a woman and her uncrated dog. A nice pup. Well behaved. I love dogs and they have always loved me. but this was just a regular pooch, and I made a comment to DW who travels very frequently. She said the woman was standing in front of her in the jetway and her hands were trembling and that there are increasing numbers of dogs on flights. All I can think of is people complaining about peanuts so often that some airlines just don't serve them anymore. So what about dog/cat allergies? Maybe people who are nervous flyers shoud do what a dear friend did: an infantry veteran of Normandy, once wounded by bayonet, another by shrapnel, certainly no coward, but fearful of flying, so he would always take a train or drive. I can understand times when flying is a necessity; when is taking a cruise a necessity?:D