I will continue to sail on HAL if balcony smoking is permitted.

[navybankerteacher]

The flip side to OP's question might generate some interesting answers:

 

How many HAL cruisers will STOP sailing HAL if smoking is NOT allowed on verandahs?

[regnig]

As of 500p 7/27/15 there have been postings by 80 individual CC members.

 

Of those 80 CC members, 69 responded with YES, 3 responded with NO, and 8 were unresponsive to the OP choosing to use their post(s) for personal agendas.

Of those 69 who responded with YES - 35 stated they were nonsmokers and had never been bothered by smoke of their veranda.

 

 

Another Thank You to the OP for starting this thread. Since I've already stated yes for myself, how about adding hubby to the "YES" only as long as the policy stays as is.

Joanie

 

Joanie I've got you tallied as a YES but if I were to add your hubby to the count I'd have to go back and see who else responded with the implication that there were 2 of them. Guess it goes without saying that the majority (or close to that) of CC members sail with partner/friend.

 

Since a few have implied that this thread is slanted to only show those who "smoke" I'm going to give a try at compiling data off sails' thread that asks "Have you or are you planning to switch to HAL because you can no longer smoke on your favorite cruise line's verandah?

Have you or are you planning to switch cruise lines because you do not like that HAL continues to permit smoking on verandahs?

Do you have friends or family who are doing one or the other?"

It's going to take me a bit of time though as I'm going to have to read through post much longer that the ones here but figure it will make for interesting comparison.

Edited July 27, 2014 by larsen

[RuthC]

As of 500p 7/27/15 there have been postings by 80 individual CC members.

 

Of those 80 CC members, 69 responded with YES, 3 responded with NO, and 8 were unresponsive to the OP choosing to use their post(s) for personal agendas.

Of those 69 who responded with YES - 35 stated they were nonsmokers and had never been bothered by smoke of their veranda.

 

Since a few have implied that this thread is slanted to only show those who "smoke" I'm going to give a try at compiling data off sails' thread that asks "Have you or are you planning to switch to HAL because you can no longer smoke on your favorite cruise line's verandah?

If you want to tabulate the data from that point of view, I'll clarify my post in this thread, as I didn't specify whether or not I smoke:

I do not smoke. I will continue to sail HAL (all else being equal) if HAL continues to allow smoking on balconies.

[regnig]

Thanks Ruth, got it. :)

[nschamp]

As of 500p 7/27/15 there have been postings by 80 individual CC members.

 

Of those 80 CC members, 69 responded with YES, 3 responded with NO, and 8 were unresponsive to the OP choosing to use their post(s) for personal agendas.

Of those 69 who responded with YES - 35 stated they were nonsmokers and had never been bothered by smoke of their veranda.

 

 

 

 

Joanie I've got you tallied as a YES but if I were to add your hubby to the count I'd have to go back and see who else responded with the implication that there were 2 of them. Guess it goes without saying that the majority (or close to that) of CC members sail with partner/friend.

 

Since a few have implied that this thread is slanted to only show those who "smoke" I'm going to give a try at compiling data off sails' thread that asks "Have you or are you planning to switch to HAL because you can no longer smoke on your favorite cruise line's verandah?

Have you or are you planning to switch cruise lines because you do not like that HAL continues to permit smoking on verandahs?

Do you have friends or family who are doing one or the other?"

It's going to take me a bit of time though as I'm going to have to read through post much longer that the ones here but figure it will make for interesting comparison.

 

 

There comes a time in life, when you walk away from all the drama and people who create it.

 

 

[Richie2pies]

I'll continue to cruise HAL only if they don't change the smoking policy.

[Lynda S]

Yes, we (DH and myself) will DEFINITELY continue to sail HAL if they do not change the smoking policy.

 

For the tabulation record, I am a non-smoker and DH is a smoker. I feel as strong about it as he does even though I do not smoke.

 

I am really hoping that HAL continues with the balcony smoking as I have my bucket list item of the world cruise on the Amsterdam in the planning stage for probably 3-5 years hence. The timing depends on when we can save enough to book one of the balcony cabins so that DH can enjoy his smoke out there, especially in the early morning. If they change the policy we will stay home as I do not want to be on the same ship with a cranky DH for 115 days. :-) Less stress to just stay home and read the blogs.

[barefootguy]

It was OK when HAL said no to smoking in rooms any more... However, should you/HAL change to no smoking on balconies, we're gone! We also book cabins near the aft of ship so as to bother as few a persons as possible.

[Djptcp]

Yes

[regnig]

As data intrigues me I’ve spend a foolish amount of time collecting it on the two current “smoking” threads, one started by legalslave and the other by sail7seas. Since I’ve decided I need to move on to other responsibilities I cut my data collection off at 940am today. So as not to imply any bias I’m not about to come to any conclusions or develop any assumption from this data and will leave it up to you to form your own opinions.

Please don’t shoot the messengers as I’m only reporting the data.

 

Legalslave’s thread “I will continue to sail on HAL if balcony smoking is permitted.”

 

84 individual CC members responded.

Of those 73 responded with YES, 3 responded with NO, and 8 were unresponsive to the OP choosing to use their post for personal agendas.

Of those 73 who responded with YES 38 stated they were nonsmokers and had never been bothered by smoke of their veranda.

 

sail7seas thread asked three separate questions and I have broken the data down under each one of those.

 

89 individual CC responders

19 of the responders were unresponsive to all of Sail’s questions

 

“Have you or are you planning to switch to HAL because you can no longer smoke on your favorite cruise line's verandah?”

6 yes responses

1 Maybe will switch to HAL for reasons other than smoking

 

”Have you or are you planning to switch cruise lines because you do not like that HAL continues to permit smoking on verandahs?”

12 yes responses – Of those 12 responses 4 clearly stated their reason had nothing to do with smoking

3 said Maybe out of which 2 stated for reasons other than smoking

48 No responses out of which 15 stated then were nonsmokers never bothered by smoke

 

”Do you have friends or family who are doing one or the other?”

Only 1 responder (counted in the NO responses immediately above) said yes they had friends switching to HAL because of the smoking policy

[meterman2]

As data intrigues me I’ve spend a foolish amount of time collecting it on the two current “smoking” threads, one started by legalslave and the other by sail7seas. Since I’ve decided I need to move on to other responsibilities I cut my data collection off at 940am today. So as not to imply any bias I’m not about to come to any conclusions or develop any assumption from this data and will leave it up to you to form your own opinions.

Please don’t shoot the messengers as I’m only reporting the data.

 

Legalslave’s thread “I will continue to sail on HAL if balcony smoking is permitted.”

 

84 individual CC members responded.

Of those 73 responded with YES, 3 responded with NO, and 8 were unresponsive to the OP choosing to use their post for personal agendas.

Of those 73 who responded with YES 38 stated they were nonsmokers and had never been bothered by smoke of their veranda.

 

sail7seas thread asked three separate questions and I have broken the data down under each one of those.

 

89 individual CC responders

19 of the responders were unresponsive to all of Sail’s questions

 

“Have you or are you planning to switch to HAL because you can no longer smoke on your favorite cruise line's verandah?”

6 yes responses

1 Maybe will switch to HAL for reasons other than smoking

 

”Have you or are you planning to switch cruise lines because you do not like that HAL continues to permit smoking on verandahs?”

12 yes responses – Of those 12 responses 4 clearly stated their reason had nothing to do with smoking

3 said Maybe out of which 2 stated for reasons other than smoking

48 No responses out of which 15 stated then were nonsmokers never bothered by smoke

 

”Do you have friends or family who are doing one or the other?”

Only 1 responder (counted in the NO responses immediately above) said yes they had friends switching to HAL because of the smoking policy

 

Thank you! I found it very interesting!

Edited July 28, 2014 by meterman2

[cbr663]

@larsen. Thank-you for taking the time to compile the numbers. I also find it very interesting.

[hftmrock]

If you simply read the responses to the OP, you will see that both smokers and non-smokers, are very happy with HAL's current smoking policy. The general consensus is that the "smoking issue" is a cruise critic forum issue and not an issue for the vast majority that sail on HAL.

 

you are looking at a cruise critic thread to make the case that the smoking issue is a cruise critic forum issue? that seems like a paradox to me

 

and the current smoking policy would not stop me from booking with HAL BUT I would probably not take a balcony (not put on the OP's question but is important if you really think about it)

 

I would quicker book a Balcony if the policy was changed.

 

The question is flawed due to the general nature of the question. If someone always books an inside cabin.. the smoking policy will obviously not affect them. It would only be affecting those booking balconies. the question is too vague. I gave the best answer I could.

Edited July 28, 2014 by hftmrock

[Fontana]

Yes, thank you @Larsen. Also, appreciate your efforts in compiling the numbers.

[kjw869]

The question is flawed due to the general nature of the question. If someone always books an inside cabin.. the smoking policy will obviously not affect them. It would only be affecting those booking balconies. the question is too vague. I gave the best answer I could.

 

Vague?? The statement was: "I will continue to sail on HAL if balcony smoking is permitted."

 

You are correct, if I booked an Inside Cabin I wouldn't even reply, because it would not affect me. But I'm sure some who responded didn't book balconies, but felt smoking wasn't an issue to stop sailing with HAL.

 

It looks like about 85% of the respondents understood the statement.

[kjw869]

Yes, thank you @Larsen. Also, appreciate your efforts in compiling the numbers.

 

I too thank @Larsen for his data on both threads as the results didn't surprise me for this small sampling of cruise passengers.

[waASPCrusier]

you are looking at a cruise critic thread to make the case that the smoking issue is a cruise critic forum issue? that seems like a paradox to me

 

and the current smoking policy would not stop me from booking with HAL BUT I would probably not take a balcony (not put on the OP's question but is important if you really think about it)

 

I would quicker book a Balcony if the policy was changed.

 

The question is flawed due to the general nature of the question. If someone always books an inside cabin.. the smoking policy will obviously not affect them. It would only be affecting those booking balconies. the question is too vague. I gave the best answer I could.

 

 

Actually as a non-smoker who doesn't book balconies, that isn't true. IMO balcony smoking became worse when they banned smoking in the rooms. Now if they ban smoking on the balconies, they are going to push those people to outside smoking areas. this is because I believe they will never give them a dedicated indoor space as they should. In the current setup as a non-balcony person I can easily avoid smoking areas. Heck, for that matter the outside areas with 5-6 people at time aren't really an issue anyways, but make that 2x, 3x, maybe 4x the people and I believe it will likely cause issues.

 

But then those smoking threads will be different from the current ones. :D

 

Will continue to cruise HAL no matter the policy :)

[Lizzie68]

The data collated is interesting, and it is good of Larsen to take the time. But really, what value does it have? You need the total number of cruise critic members, then figure out how many of those are strictly HAL forum users. Impossible. You can only come up with totals -how many bothered to respond, how many of those said yes, how many of those said no. Figures that prove nothing. Then what? And of course this applies to the "other" thread too. It is just an opportunity for those who care to voice their opinion on here.

[K & S]

We have always booked a balcony and the only time we have been bothered by smoke was in the Casino...just too much smoke in such a small confined space. Of course, I am a terrible gambler, so it keeps me from losing too much money:/

[chrispb]

Vague?? The statement was: "I will continue to sail on HAL if balcony smoking is permitted."

 

You are correct, if I booked an Inside Cabin I wouldn't even reply, because it would not affect me. But I'm sure some who responded didn't book balconies, but felt smoking wasn't an issue to stop sailing with HAL.

 

It looks like about 85% of the respondents understood the statement.

 

Agree. Very clear to me. I don't see the statement as being slanted towards smokers or non-smokers.

 

Someone who cruises in inside rooms would presumably say Yes regardless of whether they smoke or not?????

 

Thanks, Larsen, for your stats.

[kjw869]

Actually as a non-smoker who doesn't book balconies, that isn't true. IMO balcony smoking became worse when they banned smoking in the rooms. Now if they ban smoking on the balconies, they are going to push those people to outside smoking areas. this is because I believe they will never give them a dedicated indoor space as they should. In the current setup as a non-balcony person I can easily avoid smoking areas. Heck, for that matter the outside areas with 5-6 people at time aren't really an issue anyways, but make that 2x, 3x, maybe 4x the people and I believe it will likely cause issues.

 

But then those smoking threads will be different from the current ones. :D

 

Will continue to cruise HAL no matter the policy :)

 

That's true about pushing to outside areas. Even though Celebrity doesn't allow smoking on their balconies (but some do anyways, and Guest Services did nothing about it ), many of their cruisers complain about all the smoking areas. Here is a cut and paste from Celebrity's S class ships. True, it is a much bigger vessel, but look at all the areas where one can puff away. Many Celebrity cruisers complain about smelling smoke on their balconies on some decks.

 

Smoking areas on S-class ships (Solstice, Equinox, Eclipse & Silhouette) include the following locations:

Deck 12 (Pool Deck) – Port (left)-side only – outside just forward of the mid-ship elevators

Deck 14 (Lido Deck forward/mid-ship) – Starboard (right)-side only – outside at the Mast Bar

Deck 15 (Lawn Club Deck aft) – Port- (left) side only – outside at the Sunset Bar – This is the area where Cigar & Pipe smoking is permitted.

Deck 5 (Entertainment Deck mid-ship) – Port (left)-side only – outside of the mid-ship elevators

Deck 5 (Entertainment Deck forward) – Port (left)-side only – outside of the forward elevators/Theatre

[legalslave]

Thank you Larsen for the numbers crunching!

 

Diane

[regnig]

To all who have said "Thank You" you are most welcome! :D

 

Barb

[RuthC]

The question is flawed due to the general nature of the question. If someone always books an inside cabin.. the smoking policy will obviously not affect them. It would only be affecting those booking balconies. the question is too vague. I gave the best answer I could.

 

That's not correct. Someone who always books an inside cabin is impacted by the areas designated for smoking.

 

Since smokers tend to smoke the same amount every day, if you don't allow them to smoke on balconies, they are going to smoke those cigarettes somewhere else. Unless there is an increase in the number of designated smoking areas when balcony smoking is banned, then HAL will just be moving the same amount of smoke to less space.

 

It will make the current smoking areas worse smelling, which has a tendency to spread.

[Lizzie68]

That's not correct. Someone who always books an inside cabin is impacted by the areas designated for smoking.

 

Since smokers tend to smoke the same amount every day, if you don't allow them to smoke on balconies, they are going to smoke those cigarettes somewhere else. Unless there is an increase in the number of designated smoking areas when balcony smoking is banned, then HAL will just be moving the same amount of smoke to less space.

 

It will make the current smoking areas worse smelling, which has a tendency to spread.

 

I can certainly understand why someone who does not book balconies would prefer the current situation to continue rather than risk having to deal with increased smoke in other outer areas of the ship. Hardly fair on those who enjoy balconies, though. However, I have faith that - should HAL ban balcony smoking - they will indeed provide a comfortable inside area for smokers. But perhaps that makes too much sense for the bean counters. Time will tell.