This Thread Is To Be Used For All Discussions About HAL's On Board Smoking Policies

[cruiseing marly]

You do know that exhalation happens regardless of whether or not there is medication in the inhalent stream, right?

 

In related news, pooping is not a sign of over-eating.

 

 

So funny Lol

[Host Walt]

REMINDER:

 

This thread is limited to discussions of HAL's on board smoking policies.

[peddieplease]

I can't believe that the smoking issue has now turned so much into the vaping issue. I've tried the e-cigs, and they really don't seem to emit enough to bother anyone. Smell isn't an issue, is it??? If someone vapes on a balcony, is that ruining it for others on nearby balconies?? I GET that smoking drifts and is an big annoyance for people (although we are among the considerate who wouldn't smoke if our neighbours are out on their balcony. But vaping? Seriously? is it that you people can't stand the thought of anyone doing anything they might enjoy? How about you let it go on that one issue, recognizing that yes, the vapor might not be totally pollution free, but for heaven's sake, think about what you're inhaling in regard to the ship's own pollution and let some people who are trying to quit smoking in favor or vaping have their enjoyment. Good grief.

[jimmy2x]

I can't believe that the smoking issue has now turned so much into the vaping issue. I've tried the e-cigs, and they really don't seem to emit enough to bother anyone. Smell isn't an issue, is it??? If someone vapes on a balcony, is that ruining it for others on nearby balconies?? I GET that smoking drifts and is an big annoyance for people (although we are among the considerate who wouldn't smoke if our neighbours are out on their balcony. But vaping? Seriously? is it that you people can't stand the thought of anyone doing anything they might enjoy? How about you let it go on that one issue, recognizing that yes, the vapor might not be totally pollution free, but for heaven's sake, think about what you're inhaling in regard to the ship's own pollution and let some people who are trying to quit smoking in favor or vaping have their enjoyment. Good grief.

 

Vaping is an "issue" that is vastly overblown in "social media". I switched over five years ago. Be discrete, avoid those concoctions that result in huge clouds of vapor (usually found in higher concentrations of VG), and relax. I've had no problems with my fellow cruisers and suspect that most don't even notice.

[sail7seas]

I don't mind e-cigarettes on verandahs or indoor areas where smoking is permitted. I hope HAL does not permit vaping in areas where cigarette smoking is barred.

 

[Fouremco]

I don't mind e-cigarettes on verandahs or indoor areas where smoking is permitted. I hope HAL does not permit vaping in areas where cigarette smoking is barred.

HAL's current policy is that "Electronic cigarettes are permitted in staterooms but not in other public areas of the ship other than on outside decks designated as smoking areas." The extent to which the policy is enforced probably varies.

 

The policy itself is somewhat strange, in that it permits vaping in designated smoking locations outside, but doesn't allow vaping in any inside public areas, including those areas where smoking itself is allowed. As a result, your can smoke cigarettes while playing in the casino, but you can't vape.

 

I'm no supporter of vaping or smoking, and would be happy to see both gone from the ships entirely, but if HAL is going to allow it, they should at least develop policy based on a bit of common sense.

[cruiseJMO]

I can't believe that the smoking issue has now turned so much into the vaping issue. I've tried the e-cigs, and they really don't seem to emit enough to bother anyone. Smell isn't an issue, is it??? If someone vapes on a balcony, is that ruining it for others on nearby balconies?? I GET that smoking drifts and is an big annoyance for people (although we are among the considerate who wouldn't smoke if our neighbours are out on their balcony. But vaping? Seriously? is it that you people can't stand the thought of anyone doing anything they might enjoy? How about you let it go on that one issue, recognizing that yes, the vapor might not be totally pollution free, but for heaven's sake, think about what you're inhaling in regard to the ship's own pollution and let some people who are trying to quit smoking in favor or vaping have their enjoyment. Good grief.

 

I had read somewhere on the Princess boards or Princess site that the lights on the end of the e-cigs can be distracting to the captain. I don't know if this is true, but still the only decent explanation I found.

 

HAL's current policy is that "Electronic cigarettes are permitted in staterooms but not in other public areas of the ship other than on outside decks designated as smoking areas." The extent to which the policy is enforced probably varies.

 

The policy itself is somewhat strange, in that it permits vaping in designated smoking locations outside, but doesn't allow vaping in any inside public areas, including those areas where smoking itself is allowed. As a result, your can smoke cigarettes while playing in the casino, but you can't vape.

 

I'm no supporter of vaping or smoking, and would be happy to see both gone from the ships entirely, but if HAL is going to allow it, they should at least develop policy based on a bit of common sense.

 

Totally doesn't make sense to allow toxic cigarette smoke from real cigarettes indoors, but not a vapor cig. Isn't the vapor harmless second hand?

BTW, my can never smokes cigarettes. 😧 (Couldn't resist sharing the picture in my head from your very small typo you/your). 😝

[Fouremco]

BTW, my can never smokes cigarettes. 😧 (Couldn't resist sharing the picture in my head from your very small typo you/your). 😝

I gess I forget two profreed thet won! :(

[cruiseJMO]

I gess I forget two profreed thet won! :(

Even your reply brought me back laughs as I visualized it again. Really, that was great, and even if you didn't do it intentionally, I thank you!

[POA1]

I was sure I had read e-cigarettes emit formaldehyde and sure enough the following link confirms that. To say those of us standing on our verandah next to some using their e-cigarette is perfectly safe doesn't seem to be verified by all. I don't think HAL should permit them in any public space where cigarette smoking is not permitted. We can avoid indoor spaces with people using them if we know where that is.

 

http://ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2014/162-nyt-formald

 

 

This made me laugh. Regular cigarettes contain between 3.8 and 15 or so mg/kg of formaldehyde. Electronic cigarettes contain less unless you apply excess voltage to the ceramic heater disc. Regardless, neither of them compare to pears, grapes, or cauliflower.

 

http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/programme/programme_rafs/programme_rafs_fa_02_09.html

 

I just hope that fruit baskets aren't allowed on balconies. Don't even get me started on dried Shiitake mushrooms. :eek:

 

For the record, I'm not now, nor have I ever been a smoker. Also, I do not live in fear of a grape, apple, banana, and pear filled fruit basket of death. ;)

[sail7seas]

I freely admit I am not a chemist and couldn't begin to tell you in what things we find formaldehyde. Thank you for clarifying. I just don't know as much about so many subjects as some others. :o I posted a link to read and take from it whatever one wishes. :)

Edited July 9, 2015 by sail7seas

[POA1]

I freely admit I am not a chemist and couldn't begin to tell you in what things we find formaldehyde. Thank you for clarifying. I just don't know as much about so many subjects as some others. :o I posted a link to read and take from it whatever one wishes. :)

I didn't mean to come across as picking on you. It's just that the formaldehyde scare - which is definitely in the news - is kind of a red herring. If people are worried about formaldehyde, then we have to ban grapes, bananas, apples and pears. They've got more formaldehyde than cigarettes. No harm meant.

[Lizzie68]

The sad thing about electronic cigarettes is that they are being used to hook kids on smoking. Why else do they add fruity flavors? It is a huge concern in my town with so many vape shops opening up.

[sail7seas]

I didn't mean to come across as picking on you. It's just that the formaldehyde scare - which is definitely in the news - is kind of a red herring. If people are worried about formaldehyde, then we have to ban grapes, bananas, apples and pears. They've got more formaldehyde than cigarettes. No harm meant.

 

No problem, POA. No offense taken. :)

[jimmy2x]

The sad thing about electronic cigarettes is that they are being used to hook kids on smoking. Why else do they add fruity flavors? It is a huge concern in my town with so many vape shops opening up.

 

Flavors are added because it is impossible to duplicate the flavor of tobacco smoke. Virtually ANY flavor is available as an additive to carrier of the nicotine. Vape shops in my area are VERY strict about being over 18. Like any business, they cannot afford to lose their license.

 

Vaping like other "apple pie" issues are easy targets for local pols. Real issues like gun control, property taxes, and proper school funding are not easy fixes and actually require some courage. Wanna bet on what is addressed?;)

[cruiseJMO]

The sad thing about electronic cigarettes is that they are being used to hook kids on smoking. Why else do they add fruity flavors? It is a huge concern in my town with so many vape shops opening up.

Grown ups can't like fruity flavors?

Ugh, never mind. This board is about HAL's smoking policies.

Edited July 9, 2015 by cruiseJMO

[CRUZBUDS]

Grown ups can't like fruity flavors?

Ugh, never mind. This board is about HAL's smoking policies.

 

Host Walt has been very patient with all of the vaping posts ;)

Edited July 9, 2015 by CRUZBUDS

[Fouremco]

Host Walt has been very patient with all of the vaping posts ;)

As this thread is intended for "all discussions about HAL's On Board Smoking Policies", and as HAL addresses vaping in its smoking policies, these vaping posts are entirely appropriate. In fact, Host Walt would probably need to merge any attempted new thread on vaping with this thread.

[HoneyGV]

I can't believe that the smoking issue has now turned so much into the vaping issue. I've tried the e-cigs, and they really don't seem to emit enough to bother anyone. Smell isn't an issue, is it??? If someone vapes on a balcony, is that ruining it for others on nearby balconies?? I GET that smoking drifts and is an big annoyance for people (although we are among the considerate who wouldn't smoke if our neighbours are out on their balcony. But vaping? Seriously? is it that you people can't stand the thought of anyone doing anything they might enjoy? How about you let it go on that one issue, recognizing that yes, the vapor might not be totally pollution free, but for heaven's sake, think about what you're inhaling in regard to the ship's own pollution and let some people who are trying to quit smoking in favor or vaping have their enjoyment. Good grief.

 

I agree with you. Anyone who says they can get 2nd hand "smoke" from E-cigs would have to have their noses and mouths about a half inch from mine and even at that.

 

Other than the uninformed opinions of folks who just want to complain about ANYTHING, including vaping....it's not an issue to people who actually have researched vaping.

 

If I have a cabin neighbor who complains or makes ignorant remarks about me vaping on my balcony or stateroom or in the casino where smoking is permitted...I'll just ask them if they would be happier if I just go back to tobacco for the rest of the voyage. :D

 

I vape in the Neptune and have NEVER been told not to...I vape in the casino...even when smoking tobacco is not permitted on "NON" smoking nights....I've done it with the permission of the Neptune concierge and the casino host. I have NEVER vaped if told not to. Oh, I've also vaped in the MDR. The MOST that has happened is people are all for it after being educated on the matter. As I've said before.

 

I have seen several posts from people making silly statements about it who don't know ANYTHING about it. They THINK they know about it, but from what's been demonstrated in their posts....prove otherwise.

 

For every single article that's been published, there has never been ONE article telling just WHICH brand of E-cig has been tested and failed.

 

I WILL advise ANYONE who WANTS to switch from tobacco to E-cigs that it's not wise to buy any brand of E-cig or E-liquid from China. Stay with products made in the USA and there's NO problem.

 

I've read articles that claim that E-cigs have blown up in a person's face....wonder why they NEVER tell us which brand of E-cig has done this?

 

People have no problem announcing which model of vehicle has faulty parts to alert the masses of problems. Why so vague and so many untruths about vaping and E-cigs?

 

I've read that someone stated in a post that it's the "concoction" of e-liquid that gives out enormous volumes of "smoke".....it's not the concoction...it's the vehicle that the person is using to vape. Those E-cig tanks...are called MODS.

 

People who use the E-cigs that LOOK like cigarettes with a light on the end are mostly a thing of the past and were the rave several years ago when E-cigs first came out. MOST folks who vape now....don't use them...They can't be recharged and are disposable...once a person pays $10 for them and gets a few hundred "puffs", they are useless and must be thrown away because they can't be recharged and filled with one's own E-liquid. The light from them is NOT a laser light and has NO effect on ANYONE's eyes.

 

I will advise any person who is thinking of giving up tobacco for vaping and is not SURE if they are ready to get into vaping to buy one and try it. When I was on the Zuiderdam on my last cruise they were being sold in the Sundry Shop on the ship...and sold out quickly.

 

The problem with those "beginner" vapes is that they don't have much to offer in the way of flavors or nicotine levels or ZERO levels. E-cigs come in many varieties, E-liquid comes in hundreds of flavors, and several strengths of nicotine or NO nicotine if one is REALLY trying to get off the nicotine.

 

For the folks who are afraid of formaldehyde....MOST people use formaldehyde in their everyday lives and think nothing of it. It's in makeup, food, clothing, building materials and several other areas. To single out the trace of it in an E-cig...and ONLY in ONE kind of E-liquid is silly, IMO.

 

Don't believe me?

 

http://hpd.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/search?tbl=TblChemicals&queryx=50-00-0

[HoneyGV]

HAL's current policy is that "Electronic cigarettes are permitted in staterooms but not in other public areas of the ship other than on outside decks designated as smoking areas." The extent to which the policy is enforced probably varies.

 

The policy itself is somewhat strange, in that it permits vaping in designated smoking locations outside, but doesn't allow vaping in any inside public areas, including those areas where smoking itself is allowed. As a result, your can smoke cigarettes while playing in the casino, but you can't vape.

 

I'm no supporter of vaping or smoking, and would be happy to see both gone from the ships entirely, but if HAL is going to allow it, they should at least develop policy based on a bit of common sense.

 

 

I've been vaping in the Neptune Lounge with the permission of the staff and even in the MDR...the most that has happened is people want to learn more about them. I explain the process to them, educate them and I've not had ANYONE complain on ANY cruise I've been on and I cruise at least 3 or 4 times a year on 11 and 14 day cruises.

 

I know there will be some folks who have something to say about it, but.....once MOST naysayers have it explained to them...they are positive toward it. I've found that the ones who are REALLY interested are smokers...and as long as I can convert tobacco smokers into vapers...the less complaints there will be about folks who smoke on their balconies.

 

I am highly allergic to strong perfumes, but....there are no rules about it...so like everyone else who has a problem with "scents"...I just have to deal with it or move.

[HoneyGV]

The sad thing about electronic cigarettes is that they are being used to hook kids on smoking. Why else do they add fruity flavors? It is a huge concern in my town with so many vape shops opening up.

 

I think it's the responsibilty to educate and control what their kids do. That being said, if I had a kid who hung around other kids who smoke tobacco...I'd rather them vape.

 

I believe E-cigs...like tobacco products and alcohol products should be controlled when it comes to ALL of those things.

 

I wonder if folks who complain about E-cigs are as harsh about legal weed in places where it's legal?

[HoneyGV]

Host Walt has been very patient with all of the vaping posts ;)

 

I think vaping is pertinent to HAL's smoking policies.

[Host Walt]

I think vaping is pertinent to HAL's smoking policies.

Although arguable, "vaping" comes under the broadest definition of smoking primarily because its raison d'etre is as a substitute for cigarettes. As far as I am aware, there are no stated policies among the various cruise lines regarding vaping.

 

These boards belong to the members and because vaping is closely associated with cigarettes it's close enough to be a central part of this thread.

[qsuzi]

Princess: Electronic Cigarettes- The use of electronic cigarettes is allowed within the confines of the guest's stateroom (balcony not included) and within designated smoking areas only.

Royal Caribbean: The use of e-cigarettes is permitted in designated outdoor areas of the starboard side of all ships; with the exception of Oasis-class ships that will allow smoking on the port side of the ships.

Holland America:Electronic cigarettes are permitted in staterooms but not in other public areas of the ship other than on outside decks designated as smoking areas.

Edited July 9, 2015 by qsuzi

[jimmy2x]

"I've read that someone stated in a post that it's the "concoction" of e-liquid that gives out enormous volumes of "smoke".....it's not the concoction...it's the vehicle that the person is using to vape. Those E-cig tanks...are called MODS."

 

I was an early adapter and yes I use the same type of MOD with the tank. And I am also aware that using higher voltages CAN produce more vapor. That said VG (vegetable glycerin) definitely produces more vapor than PG (propylene glycol) all other things being equal.

 

Finally, I wouldn't put a knock on folks that might appear to be ill-informed about the subject. They are non-smokers (good for them) and have no vested interest in doing the kind of research that we have.

 

I daresay that both of us have thrown out ill-informed opinions about stuff that we clearly had insufficient knowledge about. It is part of the human condition.