Ebola scare?

[AmberTeka]

Good Ebola story. Washington Post. Today 11/13

 

A man from Seirra Leone, one of the hot spots of the Ebola epidemic, came to the USA. He became a citizen. A few months ago, when the disease started making the news, he returned to his native county. He lived in the NW part of Seirra Leone. So he immediately got his family, his friends, his tribe to quarantee themselves. No one comes in. No one goes out. They agreed to share food and medicines. To guard and patrol their own borders. They have done so.

 

Not one person has contacted Ebola in that entire area.Not one person has died from it.

 

That proves........quarnatine and isolation works. It is not air borne in that the virus does not live and then float around in the air like TB and the Flue.

I think he should win some type of world award. he has saved his people ..who are the middle of a horror story.

 

The USA could look at that success story. Quarantine and isolate. Keep the unifected seperate. The disease will die out. Taking it from the area...gives Ebola millions of new victims. Until the vaccine is ready..three months is what they say...........It should be treated there. And we should give them anything they ask for...........that is just my opinion.

Edited October 14, 2014 by AmberTeka

[luvtheships]

I agree, but some want to stifle any info coming out. I prefer to keep my head above the sand, and I do question authority, they seem to change their stance moment to moment whatever fits their agenda.

 

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[riffatsea]

I agree that logically those African countries should have their airports closed(except for emergency workers) and the area should be quarantined to contain the spread of the disease.

I don't understand why this is a cruise web site issue right now? It would only be an issue if the disease is more widely spread. We are all just talking about "news". As far as I am concerned most of the news agencies out there are adding to the fear in the world and are not really providing great info.

[RuthlessBoss]

I agree that logically those African countries should have their airports closed(except for emergency workers) and the area should be quarantined to contain the spread of the disease.

I don't understand why this is a cruise web site issue right now? It would only be an issue if the disease is more widely spread. We are all just talking about "news". As far as I am concerned most of the news agencies out there are adding to the fear in the world and are not really providing great info.

 

What if Duncan had flown here and went directly to his cruise port? He was asymptomatic at that point during flight:eek:

[guxu]

It is a cruise issue because it is "disruptive to travel and leisure". It knocked down CCL and other cruise lines stocks. My CCL stocks had $10,000+ gain. Now it is bleeding red at$5,000+ loss.

[elliair]

What if Duncan had flown here and went directly to his cruise port? He was asymptomatic at that point during flight:eek:

 

The nurse who took care of Duncan now has Ebola. Guess who else is in the hospital with symptoms? Her boyfriend, who works for a large company. What if the nurse and her boyfriend decided to go on a cruise two days after taking care of Duncan and showed no signs until 2-3 days into the cruise? I'm not staying at home, and I'm not flying any where, and I'll carry Clorox wipes with me. That's the best any one can do. My plan is to stay vigilant if and when this passes.

 

http://gotnews.com/ebola-nurse-boyfriend-reportedly-admitted-ebola-symptoms/

Edited October 14, 2014 by elliair

[guxu]

The spanish nurse who got the Ebola did go on a vacation. And I believe she went to hospital when she was on vacation.

[jetta8300]

The spanish nurse who got the Ebola did go on a vacation. And I believe she went to hospital when she was on vacation.

 

 

No, she got it while working at her hospital. A Spanish priest who was in Africa and contracted ebola in Liberia was flown to Madrid for care, where she worked. She said she may have touched her glove to her eye.

 

 

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[guxu]

No, she got it while working at her hospital. A Spanish priest who was in Africa and contracted ebola in Liberia was flown to Madrid for care, where she worked. She said she may have touched her glove to her eye.

I meant she went on a vacation after she got the ebola.

[jetta8300]

I meant she went on a vacation after she got the ebola.

 

 

Gotcha. Wow, I did not know that!

 

I feel this is incredibly relevant to cruising. I will continue to stay informed on this topic and see if I still take my cruise in April. A lot can happen in 6 months, and this thing is either going to get a lot better, or a lot worse by then. It's extremely important to know what's going on in other countries that may be affected by this. It has everything to do with travel in general.

 

 

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[RuthlessBoss]

The nurse who took care of Duncan now has Ebola. Guess who else is in the hospital with symptoms? Her boyfriend, who works for a large company. What if the nurse and her boyfriend decided to go on a cruise two days after taking care of Duncan and showed no signs until 2-3 days into the cruise? I'm not staying at home, and I'm not flying any where, and I'll carry Clorox wipes with me. That's the best any one can do. My plan is to stay vigilant if and when this passes.

 

http://gotnews.com/ebola-nurse-boyfriend-reportedly-admitted-ebola-symptoms/

 

I always bring some wipes and do a quick cabin sweep. Sounds weird, but I wipe the tops of all things, even in the BR. So far, I've not had those areas be dusty. Mind you, I don't scrub nor take much time, but it makes me feel better, at least in the cabin. It would be great to have all faucets on a ship be ones that go on and off with a sensor, at least in the public restrooms. I'm not a germaphobe, but will be more vigilant with all surfaces.

[AmberTeka]

The spanish nurse who got the Ebola did go on a vacation. And I believe she went to hospital when she was on vacation.

 

you are correct. She went on vacation, location undisclosed, started feeling bad, came home, admitted to hospital in a ward with other patients. She told them she had cared for an Ebola patient. They ignored her. She says she had to BEG to be tested. She was.

 

She seems like a good person. I pray she recovers. Her dog was put down. THERE IS NO proof that the virus lives in anything but Great Apes. Fruit Bats and maybe pigs.

Edited October 14, 2014 by AmberTeka

[untailored bostonian]

The fact is that ebola can live outside the human body both in a liquid or dry state for a number of days. There is nothing wrong with educating yourself and practicing safe behaviors while in public places like airports. While I have no plans to let paranoia ruins any of my vacation time I will also not be touching everything I come across and then picking my nose. Just be smart and have a good time!

 

I do not believe that is true. It is killed by UV and disinfectants. Your use of " liquid or dry state" is a bit ambiguous too. If you mean blood, feces, or vomit from a patient I might want to understand more exactly what your meanings are, but there is no evidence that like Noro it can exist on surfaces.

 

I could provide a link that was shared with me in another thread, and a thread CC deleted.

[untailored bostonian]

Good Ebola story. Washington Post. Today 11/13

 

A man from Seirra Leone, one of the hot spots of the Ebola epidemic, came to the USA. He became a citizen. A few months ago, when the disease started making the news, he returned to his native county. He lived in the NW part of Seirra Leone. So he immediately got his family, his friends, his tribe to quarantee themselves. No one comes in. No one goes out. They agreed to share food and medicines. To guard and patrol their own borders. They have done so.

 

Not one person has contacted Ebola in that entire area.Not one person has died from it.

 

That proves........Quarnatine and isolation works. It is not air borne in that the virus does not live and then float around in the air like TB and the Flue.

I think he should win some type of world award. he has saved his people ..who are the middle of a horror story.

 

The USA could look at that success story. Quarantine and isolate. Keep the unifected seperate. The disease will die out. Taking it from the area...gives Ebola millions of new victims. Until the vaccine is ready..three months is what they say...........It should be treated there. And we should give them anything they ask for...........that is just my opinion.

 

Quarantine and isolation works, and in previous outbreaks that was the basic way it was controlled. In this case the hot zone is urban, and it has outstript the comunities ability to isolate the victims.

 

I have zero faith that a vaccine will be developed anytime soon.

[untailored bostonian]

At this point in time no one flying into European airports, or taking a cruise ship, or vacationing in the Caribbean has any reason to be afraid of Ebola.

 

That said, if you want to be scared to death read the "hot Zone" and learn about the Reston Ebola strain.

[guxu]

Well, it is no longer what if...

 

"A second Texas nurse who has tested positive for Ebola was on a commercial jetliner from Cleveland to Dallas the night before she arrived at the hospital with a fever and was later diagnosed with the deadly virus."

[elliair]

Well, it is no longer what if...

 

"A second Texas nurse who has tested positive for Ebola was on a commercial jetliner from Cleveland to Dallas the night before she arrived at the hospital with a fever and was later diagnosed with the deadly virus."

 

Just as suspected. How long before they say it's now airborne. Also, there have been over 200 doctors and nurses who have died treating people with Ebola. The head honcho at the CDC said that the nurse in Dallas didn't follow protocol. Is he saying that those 200+ doctors and nurses didn't follow protocol either? No one seems to know what the protocol is.

 

It might be just a matter of time before all travel is shut down, that would be devastating to the travel industry. Glad I wasn't on that flight from Cleveland to Dallas. I've got a cruise coming up in 9 days, glad I have trip insurance.

[elliair]

At this point in time no one flying into European airports, or taking a cruise ship, or vacationing in the Caribbean has any reason to be afraid of Ebola.

 

That said, if you want to be scared to death read the "hot Zone" and learn about the Reston Ebola strain.

 

Are we dealing with the Reston Ebola strain here?

[luvtheships]

Just wondering. Since this virus seems to have originated in warm climate is there any evidence that it dies out in cold air? I have not read or heard any thing regarding this btw and

 

I realize this cannot be answered accurately here and any response is speclulative but as a college prof...business not the sciences....

 

I always tell my students that you don't need all the right answers, you just need to ask the right questions

 

 

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[untailored bostonian]

Are we dealing with the Reston Ebola strain here?

 

No!!!!! The Reston Strain is a "monkey only" strain of Ebola that infected a lab full on Crab monkeys in the facility in Reston VA.

 

This variant has an airborne infectious vectored, and if the a strain that infects human's shared this trait, the world would be in a very very scary place. What is most interesting is it looks under an electron microscope identical to the Zaire variant of the virus that has a 90% mortality rate. [i am not sure about the full genome comparison, but I read recently that it is not exactly the same on the genetic level.]

 

The strain that is currently active has a lower mortality rate, perhaps 60 to 70%. That is in a region with substandard medical facilities. In the West, the USA, I would expect the mortality rate to be far less.

 

I will also add that the "safe garment" regime in Dallas was most likely insufficient for full prophylactic protection. This is why the CDC is going to be sending teams to assist with post treatment decontamination procedure. It only takes on "oops", and even one you do not notice, to kill you.

[untailored bostonian]

Just as suspected. How long before they say it's now airborne. Also, there have been over 200 doctors and nurses who have died treating people with Ebola. The head honcho at the CDC said that the nurse in Dallas didn't follow protocol. Is he saying that those 200+ doctors and nurses didn't follow protocol either? No one seems to know what the protocol is.

 

It might be just a matter of time before all travel is shut down, that would be devastating to the travel industry. Glad I wasn't on that flight from Cleveland to Dallas. I've got a cruise coming up in 9 days, glad I have trip insurance.

 

It is absolutely not transmitted via an airborne vector. If it were the rate of infection in Africa would be so high Millions would already be dead and all the doctors would be dead. The protective gear in Africa is less secure than needed. I also wonder about the efficacy of the gear used in Dallas, but there is no way to asses that.

 

"No one seems to know what the protocol is" This is in fact an issue. The Dallas caregivers did not have live experience with "protocol" gear, and very little real time, and recent, training in the use of the gear. When removing this gear it takes only the slightest misstep, and you are infected. This is why the CDC is now going to send teams with this level of experience to work with the care givers as the remove the gear.

[BeagleOne]

There are only four hospitals in the U.S. that offer level 4 biohazard isolation facilities. Four. With a total of 19 beds. Nineteen. Three each in Montana, Georgia, and Maryland, and ten in Nebraska. That's it.

 

The Dallas hospital erred in sending Mr. Duncan home after his first visit to the ER, but like all but four hospitals in the U.S., they were not prepared or equipped to deal with a level 4 biohazard.

[sandij]

I would imagine that when MR Duncan came into the ER they didn't have a clue what they were dealing with. He was apparently vomiting and had diahrea and they would not at that time have any special suits on the medical staff. Easy to see why some nurses were contaminated.

[Donray]

Just as suspected. How long before they say it's now airborne. Also, there have been over 200 doctors and nurses who have died treating people with Ebola. The head honcho at the CDC said that the nurse in Dallas didn't follow protocol. Is he saying that those 200+ doctors and nurses didn't follow protocol either? No one seems to know what the protocol is.

 

It might be just a matter of time before all travel is shut down, that would be devastating to the travel industry. Glad I wasn't on that flight from Cleveland to Dallas. I've got a cruise coming up in 9 days, glad I have trip insurance.

 

Where did you get this misinformation about 200 doctors and nurses having died during this recent outbreak?

 

What will trip insurance do for you?

 

You do know that thousands die from flu each year? Actually tens of thousands just in the USA die of flu.

 

So, what is worse the flu or Ebola deaths?

[RuthlessBoss]

I would imagine that when MR Duncan came into the ER they didn't have a clue what they were dealing with. He was apparently vomiting and had diahrea and they would not at that time have any special suits on the medical staff. Easy to see why some nurses were contaminated.

 

And how many patients come through any ER with flu like symptoms? Despite the error made not keeping him during that first visit, I imagine they thought it was usual flu.

As for being prepared for ebola, they likely thought they were prepared, but then the real deal came. The news keeps repeating about the nurse breaching protocol. Breaching doesn't necessarily mean she skipped a step. Breaching could have been accidental. Saw the demonstration by Dr. Gupta, a specialist, and he wound up with 2 skin contacts (using chocolate syrup representing blood or fluid).

 

Just now we hear the 2nd nurse just came back from flying on a commercial flight. Poor judgement on her part.