FYI: New Security Meaures for Travelers flying to the U.S.

[nelblu]

Interesting fact today on the news:

 

since 911 - 155 people have died due to Terrorism in USA.

In the same time over 250,000 people have died due to Gun related crime in USA.

 

Make your own conclusions as to where your priorities should lie.

 

 

What's the split in the UK which has gun controls.

[ColoradoGurl]

Nope. It seems a lot of this will depend on the airport and/or carrier.

 

EDITED TO ADD: I quoted biker, who was responding to someone else that asked if having pre-check or global entry would make a difference.

 

I've flown out of 5 different airports in the last week and a half (Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Phoenix and Houston). I have TSA Pre-Check and was not held up at all with any additional security (and all those airports are international airports). My electronics were still allowed to stay in my bags during screening and so were my liquids, I still got to leave my shoes on, and nobody asked me any questions about where I was going or why. I didn't fly international, but TSA Pre-Check doesn't apply to international flights anyway.

 

 

 

 

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[Tin can]

Interesting fact today on the news:

 

since 911 - 155 people have died due to Terrorism in USA.

In the same time over 250,000 people have died due to Gun related crime in USA.

 

Make your own conclusions as to where your priorities should lie.

 

 

 

This is going slightly off topic but as someone from the UK also I feel a bit of balance is needed to this statistic.

 

In the U.K. (With gun control) you are four times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime than the US. From memory it's 2000 crimes per 100,000 population UK and 500 crimes per 100,000 US.

 

We can draw conclusions from that also.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[broberts]

What's the split in the UK which has gun controls.

 

Gun related deaths in the UK was about 0.23 per 100,000 people in 2011. In the US the rate was 10.54 per 100,000 in 2014.

 

But it is really silly to compare stats like this. It only leads to pointless arguments with all sides ignoring the others.

[nelblu]

Gun related deaths in the UK was about 0.23 per 100,000 people in 2011. In the US the rate was 10.54 per 100,000 in 2014.

 

But it is really silly to compare stats like this. It only leads to pointless arguments with all sides ignoring the others.

 

 

I agree. At same time, the cinema industry should abolish or stop glorifying guns. They stopped with cigarettes, but not guns. Some of Hollywood most strident gun control advocates have no problem handling/using guns in their movies. I guess gun violence sells.

[Flatbush Flyer]

I agree. At same time, the cinema industry should abolish or stop glorifying guns. They stopped with cigarettes, but not guns. Some of Hollywood most strident gun control advocates have no problem handling/using guns in their movies. I guess gun violence sells.

 

 

 

As Marshall McLuhan said: "the medium is the message" (or, equally, the "mass age").

Studies done to determine what gets TV viewers to purchase advertisers' products have shown that folks prefer to see shows that convey a story that shows the solution of a presented problem in the shortest possible time. TV producers quickly figured out that violence most often fills that bill and does so at a bargain cost to production. Hence, we have a zillion cop dramas, horror shows and even reality programs (e.g., Jerry Springer), all of which satisfy viewer cravings for "solution" and producer cravings for "cheap."

 

 

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[time4u2go]

Gun related deaths in the UK was about 0.23 per 100,000 people in 2011. In the US the rate was 10.54 per 100,000 in 2014.

 

But it is really silly to compare stats like this. It only leads to pointless arguments with all sides ignoring the others.

For what it's worth, the gun death rate in Australia (which also has strict gun control laws) was 0.93 per 100,000 people in 2013.

[Biker19]

I didn't fly international, but TSA Pre-Check doesn't apply to international flights anyway.

The new rule is for international flights into the US.

[Daytonasailor]

The new rule is for international flights into the US.

 

 

 

I just went thru precheck at Dulles. No shoes off, no emptying backpack on my way to Munich . Very quick and easy. I’ll be returning in 8 days from Prague to Belgium to Dulles .Let’s see what happens then,

 

 

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[jamesr3939]

American and Canadian border guards can ask for passwords, .

 

What's your source? I know Canada has much different protections than the US so I can't speak to that.

 

First, "border agents" don't (at least at airports) search people leaving the country without Probable Cause (PC). TSA is not part of "border agents".

 

I don't think your information is correct as to US CBP agents. Yes, they can seize any of your property and hold it for a search, even without PC. However, that would only applies to entry INTO the US not leaving, which would exclude TSA.

 

But I believe the USSC has ruled you can't be forced to give up information (passwords) that might tend to incriminate you.

[Flatbush Flyer]

I just went thru precheck at Dulles. No shoes off, no emptying backpack on my way to Munich . Very quick and easy. I’ll be returning in 8 days from Prague to Belgium to Dulles .Let’s see what happens then,

 

 

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No matter what you've got (e.g., precheck, global entry, even twic) you will receive the new extra-screen at major foreign airports if you're headed home.

 

 

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[Daytonasailor]

No matter what you've got (e.g., precheck, global entry, even twic) you will receive the new extra-screen at major foreign airports if you're headed home.

 

 

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I’ll post what happens next week.

 

 

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[jamesr3939]

I’ll post what happens next week.

 

 

Me too. We will be transiting SFO - HGK RT on Monday and back on the 16th.

 

According to the local news nothing has changed domestically for TSA pre-check. I think it's a scam to get more people to buy pre-check.

[jamesr3939]

No matter what you've got (e.g., precheck, global entry, even twic) you will receive the new extra-screen at major foreign airports if you're headed home.

 

Of course, since none of those apply in most foreign ports. Heck, TWIC won't even get you on an Army base in the US.

[ColoradoGurl]

Me too. We will be transiting SFO - HGK RT on Monday and back on the 16th.

 

 

 

According to the local news nothing has changed domestically for TSA pre-check. I think it's a scam to get more people to buy pre-check.

 

 

If they're "scamming" anyone into buying precheck, then they're doing them a favor. Pre-check is SO freaking convenient. I've never waited more than 2 minutes, even when the regular line is an hour long. It's great! I hope they don't get too many more people to sign up though, because it would defeat the purpose.

 

 

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[jamesr3939]

If they're "scamming" anyone into buying precheck, then they're doing them a favor. Pre-check is SO freaking convenient. I've never waited more than 2 minutes, even when the regular line is an hour long. It's great! I hope they don't get too many more people to sign up though, because it would defeat the purpose.

 

Now you have done it, couldn't keep a secret!!!!

 

I will say a couple times recently the PC line has been longer than the regular line. However, it's a trade off to not remove shoes, liquids, etc.

[ColoradoGurl]

Now you have done it, couldn't keep a secret!!!!

 

I will say a couple times recently the PC line has been longer than the regular line. However, it's a trade off to not remove shoes, liquids, etc.

 

 

Doh! [emoji38]

I haven't had the PC line be longer yet, but I have been to several airports where it was so deserted they only had one TSA person working both lines. Sometimes they alternate between the two lines, and sometimes they process all the precheck people first, and then move to the regular line. That second way has a tendency to make some folks in the regular line REAL pissed.

 

 

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[SRF]

From reading it applies to both US/non citizens flying into the US. Don't know if my TSA pre-check will allow me to by-pass. In your case I believe it's "Nexus".

 

TSA Pre-check only applies to departing from a US airport, on a US carrier.

 

And by US carrier, I mean the actual aircraft has to be US carrier, not a US carrier ticket on a non-US carrier (code share).

 

So if I depart Dulles on a Delta ticketed flight, but it is on an Air France aircraft, I do not get to use Pre-Check.

 

Coming to the US, even at pre-clearance airports (where you clear customs and immigration before boarding your flight to the US), security is handled by local, not US, so no Pre-Check.

[SRF]

I've experienced similar screenings for several years at various European airports. Heathrow and Shannon come to mind in regards to several questions being asked of us.

 

Just another hurdle to jump over because of a few idiots in this world who have no regard for human life.

 

Yes, this has been happening at many airports for many years. German airports also, you either get screened at check in or at the gate.

[SRF]

I'm really curious about this as well. When we got our Nexus cards, they threw in Global Entry (the US version). DD is a fan of driving across the border making her flights all domestic.

 

Global Entry includes Pre-Check, but they are different things.

 

Pre-Check allows expedited screening when departing. You do not have to take off your shoes, do not remove your laptop or 3-1-1 liquids from your bag.

 

Global Entry is upon entry to the US, and allows expedited entry using a kiosk, that has your data. Takes maybe a minute to get through.

 

NEXUS is like Global Entry, but only for the Mexican and Canadian borders, and allows expedited entry to the US.

[SRF]

We are flying Cathay Pacific on Monday to Hong Kong out of SFO and I was already told Cathay doesn't participate in PC.

 

Non-US carriers cannot participate.

 

I fly out of Dulles a lot on non-US aircraft (US carrier ticket), and nobody has Pre-Check.

 

The option, if you fly a lot is CLEAR. It is a commercial program, with an annual fee, but you get a short line, but have to remove shoes/laptops/liquids.

 

If you have Elite status with some airlines, they may offer a reduced price for CLEAR.

[SRF]

(as I understand it):

As regards US citizens, pre-check is for flights originating in the US; Global Entry is for clearing customs once you reenter the US.

We've experienced a type of the newly mandated prescreening abroad on our return to SFO from Frankfurt last year (United Airlines contract employees asking questions).

 

German airports have been doing this since the 90s, when the US did it. When the US stopped, the Germans did not. :)

[SRF]

American and Canadian border guards can ask for passwords, but should really only do that if they believed something dangerous or criminal was on the phone, tablet, computer. Child porn is sometimes discovered this way. But normally there is no reason to ask for this, so it should rarely happen.

 

 

They can ask, but AFAIK you cannot be compelled to give up your password under the 5th amendment. At least according to the courts.

 

Interestingly, if you use a fingerprint scan login, they can compel your fingerprint to unlock your device.

[SRF]

Interesting fact today on the news:

 

since 911 - 155 people have died due to Terrorism in USA.

In the same time over 250,000 people have died due to Gun related crime in USA.

 

Make your own conclusions as to where your priorities should lie.

 

And how much of that difference is due to the security requirements?

 

Or in other words, if we have not raised security requirements, what would the number be?

 

Oh, and your gun "crime" numbers include suicides.

[nelblu]

Global Entry includes Pre-Check, but they are different things.

 

Pre-Check allows expedited screening when departing. You do not have to take off your shoes, do not remove your laptop or 3-1-1 liquids from your bag.

 

Global Entry is upon entry to the US, and allows expedited entry using a kiosk, that has your data. Takes maybe a minute to get through.

 

NEXUS is like Global Entry, but only for the Mexican and Canadian borders, and allows expedited entry to the US.

 

Yes, GE allows you to use the kiosk for check-in/photo, but you still have to go thru another custom line where the agents examines and collect your documents.