Smoking is such a nuisance on cruise ships

[NLH Arizona]

11 minutes ago, cruiseseal said:

 

I have no way to validate anyone credentials on this this forum (or yours), or their agenda. I am sure you are a smoker and enjoyed his explanation, but the fact remains, smoke comes in regardless of whether balcony door is open or closed, and balcony cabins exist for those who enjoy the fresh ocean air, and not the stink of cigarettes or resulting stink of their cabin/clothes.

Cruiseseal, could I ask what your credentials are?

[SteveH2508]

9 minutes ago, cruiseseal said:

 

I have no way to validate anyone credentials on this this forum (or yours), or their agenda. I am sure you are a smoker and enjoyed his explanation, but the fact remains, smoke comes in regardless of whether balcony door is open or closed, and balcony cabins exist for those who enjoy the fresh ocean air, and not the stink of cigarettes or resulting stink of their cabin/clothes.

 

When you have been around CC for some time you get to know which posters are reliable and which posters are not. Chengkp75 has been an engineer on NCL ships (amongst others) for many years and has a reputation around CC for knowing his stuff and dispelling BS. When he post about the water on board; azipods; air-con; plumbing problems etc, believe me - he knows what he is talking about.

 

Yes. I am a smoker, but I follow the rules and do not smoke on my balcony any more.

 

No agenda - just posting facts.

[cruiseseal]

1 minute ago, NLH Arizona said:

Cruiseseal, could I ask what your credentials are?

I am not claiming any credentials, therefore I don't need to present any. As this thread, and many others show, many cruisers suffer because of smokers on balconies (and elsewhere), therefore I don't see any need to present further proof. In addition, most cruise lines have banned smoking on balconies, in addition to other policies, which indicates this is not a made up issue.

[NLH Arizona]

Just now, cruiseseal said:

I am not claiming any credentials, therefore I don't need to present any. As this thread, and many others show, many cruisers suffer because of smokers on balconies (and elsewhere), therefore I don't see any need to present further proof. In addition, most cruise lines have banned smoking on balconies, in addition to other policies, which indicates this is not a made up issue.

Sorry, I just thought because you said you couldn't validate someone on here credentials, I thought you might have been in the shipping/cruising industry.

 

I agree that they should never go back to allowing smoking on balconies and, if I had my way, the casino would be non-smoking and the outdoor smoking areas would be boxed in, but unfortunately, I don't make up the rules.

[cruiseseal]

BTW, I didn't realize keeping the balcony door open for an extended period of time can affect other passengers (in terms of AC system). I've just read more about it, so I now understand the issue better, and I'll keep it in mind for my next cruise. In any case, with a balcony room, the idea is that you use the balcony and occasionally open the balcony door, so you'd be affected by smokers even if you don't keep the balcony door open for extended periods of time. Also, as I mentioned, I first noticed the smell with my balcony door closed.

[SteveH2508]

As a smoker, I agree that balcony smoking is a thing of the past and that people should follow the rules. 

 

I also agree that casino smoking should probably go (the last few cruises I have done it was banned in the casino, and it was a good reason for me to get out when the going got tough in the casino).

 

I, personally, can live with a non smoking casino - what I cannot abide is the coughy, hand flappy dip-sh*ts who walk through a smoking area when they can walk a few yards the other way.

 

I get that the new NCL ship's designs affect other areas with smoke overflow, however there are many other cruise lines where this is not a problem. If it is that big a deal then do your research and go with those lines.

 

I sail on lines with seriously restrictive smoking policies (Azamara has one small outside area on the whole ship for example). We (smokers) have a great time there (it is party central) - we make friends more quickly than most others on the ship.

[cruiseseal]

16 minutes ago, SteveH2508 said:

As a smoker, I agree that balcony smoking is a thing of the past and that people should follow the rules. 

 

I also agree that casino smoking should probably go (the last few cruises I have done it was banned in the casino, and it was a good reason for me to get out when the going got tough in the casino).

 

I, personally, can live with a non smoking casino - what I cannot abide is the coughy, hand flappy dip-sh*ts who walk through a smoking area when they can walk a few yards the other way.

 

I get that the new NCL ship's designs affect other areas with smoke overflow, however there are many other cruise lines where this is not a problem. If it is that big a deal then do your research and go with those lines.

 

I sail on lines with seriously restrictive smoking policies (Azamara has one small outside area on the whole ship for example). We (smokers) have a great time there (it is party central) - we make friends more quickly than most others on the ship.

 

I agree, there is no point in giving smokers a hard time if they are following the rules. In terms of choosing the right ship, I somewhat agree, since cruise lines are rarely forthcoming about the areas of the ship that may be affected by smoke. I suppose that this issue can be researched by reading the forums and such, but not everyone knows where to look or has the time to do it. Also, as you've seen from some posters here, some smokers knowingly break the rules, because they don't think they will be caught or punished as a result. We like sailing from NYC, so there aren't that many options for modern/large ships that provide enough entertainment for both kids and adults, so I suppose it's a compromise between smoking issues and everything else. I still had a great time on all the cruises, but the smoke stuff definitely added an occasional sour note to the whole experience. On a positive note, I think I saved some money, because I just couldn't enjoy the casino at all.

Edited November 20, 2018 by cruiseseal

[SteveH2508]

14 minutes ago, cruiseseal said:

 

I agree, there is no point in giving smokers a hard time if they are following the rules. In terms of choosing the right ship, I somewhat agree, since cruise lines are rarely forthcoming about the areas of the ship that may be affected by smoke. I suppose that this issue can be researched by reading the forums and such, but not everyone knows where to look or has the time to do it. Also, as you've seen from some posters here, some smokers knowingly break the rules, because they don't think they will be caught or punished as a result. We like sailing from NYC, so there aren't that many options for modern/large ships that provide enough entertainment for both kids and adults, so I suppose it's a compromise between smoking issues and everything else. I still had a great time on all the cruises, but the smoke stuff definitely added an occasional sour note to the whole experience.

 

Choosing a cruise (or cruise line) is always a balancing act between cost, itinerary, facilities (we prefer small ships), achieved status with the cruise line, smoking rules, kid friendliness (or lack of kids!), embarkation ports, lack of lobsters and loads of other issues. It all comes down to one's priorities and how much weight one applies to them.

 

We work on itinerary and cost and then the other issues (RCCL are out and Cunard are not in the picture because I do not like doing jackets and ties every night). YMMV.

 

If smoking is that big a deal to you then maybe you need to look at Celebrity or Azamara.

Edited November 20, 2018 by SteveH2508

[Fincherson]

All these sanctimonious, hoity toity posts. I picture you all sitting at your computers in tophats and evening gowns on the women, clucking your tongue at the smokers of the world. What if I said a lot of morbidly obese people emit a very unpleasant smell? I'm not saying it... but what if I did? Would I be entitled to rally NCL to limit them to certain areas or would they possibly lose too much money? Also, maybe I shouldn't treat my fellow passengers like an *****, just like some of you. 

[Fincherson]

15 hours ago, SteveH2508 said:

As a smoker, I agree that balcony smoking is a thing of the past and that people should follow the rules. 

 

I also agree that casino smoking should probably go (the last few cruises I have done it was banned in the casino, and it was a good reason for me to get out when the going got tough in the casino).

 

I, personally, can live with a non smoking casino - what I cannot abide is the coughy, hand flappy dip-sh*ts who walk through a smoking area when they can walk a few yards the other way.

 

I get that the new NCL ship's designs affect other areas with smoke overflow, however there are many other cruise lines where this is not a problem. If it is that big a deal then do your research and go with those lines.

 

I sail on lines with seriously restrictive smoking policies (Azamara has one small outside area on the whole ship for example). We (smokers) have a great time there (it is party central) - we make friends more quickly than most others on the ship.

 

We aren't smokers but we hang out with them when we cruise because they are so fun. It's a blast and we make so many friends from all over the world. I don't find my fellow non smokers to be all that friendly or much fun at all for some reason... Maybe just bad luck or maybe because we don't participate in Bingo... I dunno. 

Edited November 20, 2018 by Fincherson

[SteveH2508]

3 minutes ago, Fincherson said:

All these sanctimonious, hoity toity posts. I picture you all sitting at your computers in tophats and evening gowns on the women, clucking your tongue at the smokers of the world. What if I said a lot of morbidly obese people emit a very unpleasant smell? I'm not saying it... but what if I did? Would I be entitled to rally NCL to limit them to certain areas or would they possibly lose too much money? Also, maybe I shouldn't treat my fellow passengers like an *****, just like some of you. 

 

I hope your 'obese' area is in the middle of the ship or things could get a bit 'leany-overy'.

 

This actually happened on a Thames river cruise we were on. Several generously proportioned people all decided to sit on one side at the same time. The captain came down below to see why his ship was leaning and steering all funny.

[Fincherson]

9 minutes ago, SteveH2508 said:

 

I hope your 'obese' area is in the middle of the ship or things could get a bit 'leany-overy'.

 

This actually happened on a Thames river cruise we were on. Several generously proportioned people all decided to sit on one side at the same time. The captain came down below to see why his ship was leaning and steering all funny.

 

That is amazingly funny. I had no idea that was possible.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Fincherson

[Gampy1967]

Not boat related but I was flying on a Continental regional jet once (now United) that had the 1 seat on one side and two seats on the other side configuration.  Before takeoff, the pilot made some people change seats from one side to the other to balance everything out.  One of the last times I flew on one of those regional jets.

 

[mef_57]

19 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Most of the air in your cabin is recirculated.  80% of the cabin volume is recirculated strictly from the cabin and back to the cabin.  20% of the cabin volume is exhausted by the bathroom fan and under the doorway into the passageway, and this is balanced by 20% of the cabin volume (supplied at a higher pressure) supplied from outside fresh air.

I appreciate catching up on this thread. I just returned from a NCL Dawn cruise. I was trying to figure out why about day 5 of 9 I started to smell fresh cigarette smoke in my cabin. It didn't last a full minute and when I checked outside, it didn't seem to come from balcony(door closed) or from the connecting room. This happened each subsequent evening as well. So if cabin air is recirculated or from outside, then I have no clue where the smell was coming from. Dawn's outside smoking areas are on the port side or 6 starboard inside midships. Perhaps it was just the intermittent wafts of a balcony smoker, but it was perplexing and couldn't pin down a location.

I won't go into the impact of the extent of the inside smoke. I figured out how to avoid it and can make similar plans in the future. I know it gives me headaches and sinus issues, but that is my problem therefore mine to remedy.

 

[chengkp75]

53 minutes ago, mef_57 said:

I appreciate catching up on this thread. I just returned from a NCL Dawn cruise. I was trying to figure out why about day 5 of 9 I started to smell fresh cigarette smoke in my cabin. It didn't last a full minute and when I checked outside, it didn't seem to come from balcony(door closed) or from the connecting room. This happened each subsequent evening as well. So if cabin air is recirculated or from outside, then I have no clue where the smell was coming from. Dawn's outside smoking areas are on the port side or 6 starboard inside midships. Perhaps it was just the intermittent wafts of a balcony smoker, but it was perplexing and couldn't pin down a location.

I won't go into the impact of the extent of the inside smoke. I figured out how to avoid it and can make similar plans in the future. I know it gives me headaches and sinus issues, but that is my problem therefore mine to remedy.

 

The intake grilles for the fresh air supply fans are located along the sides of the ship, typically above the promenade deck (I think the Dawn, they are tucked in behind the boats), and the smoking areas are outside on the promenade deck, if I remember correctly, so smoke from there could be drawn into the fresh air fans and distributed to a public space or block of cabins, whatever the fan supplies.

[njkate]

3 hours ago, Fincherson said:

All these sanctimonious, hoity toity posts. I picture you all sitting at your computers in tophats and evening gowns on the women, clucking your tongue at the smokers of the world. What if I said a lot of morbidly obese people emit a very unpleasant smell? I'm not saying it... but what if I did? Would I be entitled to rally NCL to limit them to certain areas or would they possibly lose too much money? Also, maybe I shouldn't treat my fellow passengers like an *****, just like some of you. 

I just laugh at some posts. I smoke and only in areas allowed, sure I'd love to sit on balcony with a drink or coffee and have my smoke but I don't because it is not allowed. I look at it as a potential fire hazard not worried about someone with a super sensitive honker that claim they can smell it from 5 cabins down.

 

As far as walking through smoking areas, the ship is big, walk another way 

[mef_57]

11 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

The intake grilles for the fresh air supply fans are located along the sides of the ship, typically above the promenade deck (I think the Dawn, they are tucked in behind the boats), and the smoking areas are outside on the promenade deck, if I remember correctly, so smoke from there could be drawn into the fresh air fans and distributed to a public space or block of cabins, whatever the fan supplies.

Thanks. I was on deck 8 starboard and though official smoking area is 7 port side, I had read that Dawn was known to have smokers on 7 starboard as well.  I thought that would be noticable from my balcony but if they stayed close to the bulkhead rather than the railing, that would explain it entering via intakes.

[njkate]

On 11/16/2018 at 4:43 PM, JamieLogical said:

 

The laws regarding smoking anywhere that has employees working is state-wide. This basically limits smoking to outside and inside of private residences. There are also laws about smoking in parks and on school grounds state-wide. There are also laws about smoking within a minimum distance of doors into and out of publicly accessible buildings. A few years ago, the college I work at opted to become completely tobacco free inside and out. No smoking is allowed on campus, even inside of cars in the parking lots. The last year, my condo complex voted to not allow any smoking outside. Owners can only smoke inside of their owner-occupied units (renters aren't allowed to smoke inside).

 

I don't see how you can argue that would "escalate" to slapping donuts out of people's hands... someone eating a donut isn't negatively impacting MY health. Inhaling second-hand smoke could...

That's ridiculous, can't smoke outside where the smoke would dissipate but ok inside where it gets in the duct work etc and travels, what rocket scientist came up with that. I smoke and don't even do it inside.

[njkate]

I was on Breakaway this past summer, many many Europeans and Israelis on my sailing!! They smoke like chimneys and also spend spend spend. from what many of you are posting there are other lines that really curtail smoking so why don't you just stick with those lines?

[cruiseseal]

1 hour ago, njkate said:

I was on Breakaway this past summer, many many Europeans and Israelis on my sailing!! They smoke like chimneys and also spend spend spend. from what many of you are posting there are other lines that really curtail smoking so why don't you just stick with those lines?

It seems that cruise lines that curtail smoking better are also much more upscale, which makes sense, but at that price, I'd rather fly directly to a nice all-inclusive resort. Given that I've heard good things on this thread about NCL Bliss, I am looking forward to it's arrival in NYC at the end of 2019. Until then, I can just send my feedback to NCL/RC and hope they see the light. I think things have changed a lot in the past few years, and NCL/RC can profit from improving conditions for non-smokers.

[cruiseseal]

1 hour ago, njkate said:

That's ridiculous, can't smoke outside where the smoke would dissipate but ok inside where it gets in the duct work etc and travels, what rocket scientist came up with that. I smoke and don't even do it inside.

I agree smoke free buildings is the way to go, but perimeter outside of the building is needed as well, otherwise non-smokers on lower floors have to keep their windows closed all the time. People should just switch to vaping, it's not ideal, but way less stinky.

[cruiseseal]

1 hour ago, njkate said:

I just laugh at some posts. I smoke and only in areas allowed, sure I'd love to sit on balcony with a drink or coffee and have my smoke but I don't because it is not allowed. I look at it as a potential fire hazard not worried about someone with a super sensitive honker that claim they can smell it from 5 cabins down.

 

As far as walking through smoking areas, the ship is big, walk another way 

 

You mean you "cough" at some posts? Another smoker who doesn't care, thanks for sharing. Since you don't care about your health either, I suppose we shouldn't take it personally. Also, newsflash, your cigarette smell goes way farther than 5 cabins. If cruise lines start labeling parts of the ship as "stink zones" when they market their ship, that would be fine with me, at least then you would get what you pay for.

[mianmike]

1 hour ago, njkate said:

I just laugh at some posts. I smoke and only in areas allowed, sure I'd love to sit on balcony with a drink or coffee and have my smoke but I don't because it is not allowed. I look at it as a potential fire hazard not worried about someone with a super sensitive honker that claim they can smell it from 5 cabins down.

 

As far as walking through smoking areas, the ship is big, walk another way 

 

And it's a vicious circle.  The nonsmokers with their healthy lungs, throats and noses will always be irritated by smoke.   Unfortunately, it’s a biological thing.    

[Relax@Sea]

39 minutes ago, cruiseseal said:

It seems that cruise lines that curtail smoking better are also much more upscale, which makes sense, but at that price, I'd rather fly directly to a nice all-inclusive resort. Given that I've heard good things on this thread about NCL Bliss, I am looking forward to it's arrival in NYC at the end of 2019. Until then, I can just send my feedback to NCL/RC and hope they see the light. I think things have changed a lot in the past few years, and NCL/RC can profit from improving conditions for non-smokers.

OMG

[JamieLogical]

1 hour ago, njkate said:

That's ridiculous, can't smoke outside where the smoke would dissipate but ok inside where it gets in the duct work etc and travels, what rocket scientist came up with that. I smoke and don't even do it inside.

 

 

Two things. First, these are condos. The HVAC systems are completely closed circuit to the individual units. I don't share duct work with my neighbors. Second, these are condos. They are individually owned and dictating what owners can do within their own walls, is not something the Board of Managers has the power to do. However, the Board of Managers does have the power to approve/deny any all leases to renters when owners choose to rent out their units, which is why they can dictate that it state on the lease than no smoking is allowed.