Document required for 16 year old to cruise to Caribbean

[Elaine5715]

4 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

Yes, it certainly will aid in that effort, but again, the passport requirement may be waived by the authorities. I've read of it happening at least twice, both times from ports without a State Department presence. 

Your source, please?

[Elaine5715]

5 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

It certainly is, a recommendation is just that- a recommendation. DHS and the State Department are not in the business of punishing people in such situations, they are in the business of getting US citizens home as expeditiously as possible under the circumstances. 

Yeah, they are but it will be the consulate employees who will follow the law and it is not their responsibility to expedite anything.  

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/lost-stolen-passport-abroad.html

 

https://getawaytips.azcentral.com/how-to-travel-in-an-emergency-without-a-passport-12310728.html

https://www.frommers.com/tips/cruise/do-i-need-a-passport-to-cruise  "One point to remember: Just because you can cruise without a passport doesn’t mean you should. If you were to miss the ship, not having a passport would make reentry into the U.S. a nightmare"

 

https://www.travelersunited.org/cruise-passengers-should-have-passports-period/  Note Carnival proceeded to Mobile instead of Mexico since flying home from Mexico would have been problematic for 900 without paasports, so if waiving US Passport requirements was no big deal, don't you think this would have been done?

 

This is why you never leave the US without a passport.  

https://www.b985.com/news/national/sick-boy-return-after-family-cruise-nightmare/B5cEFG1UNxDXPdu9sCChtI/

 

UPDATE @ 4:55 p.m., 6/5/2015:

A spokesman with Carnival Cruise Lines, Vance Gulliksen, tells us the Johnson family has been refunded their full cruise fare and a Carnival CareTeam is working towards funding the family’s return home. The family disembarked in Cozumel due to 12-year-old Peyton Johnson’s appendicitis.

UPDATE @ 2:50 p.m., 6/5/2015:

A Clark County boy is scheduled to return to the United States Saturday after undergoing emergency surgery for an appendicitis at a Mexican hospital after being removed from a Carnival cruise ship.

Peyton Johnson and his mother have been stuck in Mexico while Johnson received treatment and medical bills piled up.

 

The boy did not have a passport which complicated the situation.

Thursday, a former Beavercreek resident who now lives in Progreso, Mexico, visited Peyton Johnson in the Mexican hospital where he underwent emergency surgery.

Mick Bernhard heard about WHIO’s story and the Johnson family’s predicament.

According to a *****.com page set up by Johnson’s family, Peyton’s family wrote he will fly from Mexico Saturday to a children’s hospital in Houston, Texas. His bills have stretched to nearly $14,000 in Mexico, and bills are expected to climb for his stay in Houston and return flight to Ohio. So far, the Johnson family has received over $11,000 in donations to help cover Peyton’s expenses.

FIRST REPORT:

A Clark County boy and his mother are stuck in Mexico after his emergency surgery forced them off their cruise ship with no funds to pay for treatments.

Twelve-year-old Peyton Johnson and his mother, Christie, got off their Carnival cruise ship in Progreso, Mexico, after Peyton was diagnosed with appendicitis by the ship’s doctor, said Alex Karjala, Peyton’s father.

“This has turned into a terror vacation,” he said.

The Park Layne mother and son both did not travel with passports, which are not required for Carnival cruises that disembark and port at the same U.S. city, according to the cruise company’s website.

“Carnival highly recommends that all guests travel with a passport,” Vance Gullisken, a Carnival cruise line representative, said in an email Thursday.

The family did not buy travel insurance to cover any expenses from medical or trip 

emergencies, Karjala said. Now the pair are stuck in the Mexican city with hospital bills mounting — which must be paid for in cash, he added.

“They wanted $3,300 in cash to do the surgery and without it — no surgery,” Karjala said. “The hospital is charging them $900 dollars a day.”

When asked about the the company’s policy for travelers who suffer from medical emergencies while on board, Gullisken said Carnival does send some passengers to ports for service, depending on the severity of the illness.

“Should a guest experience a medical emergency on board, Carnival has a team of professionals called the CareTeam who would provide guests with assistance and support, including helping them return home,” the company spokesman said.

Carnival did send an interpreter to help the Johnsons, Karjala said, and offered to pay for their passports when they got in touch with the U.S. embassy. But the cost of travel home and medical expenses is left to the family to cover.

Peyton’s appendix had ruptured, and it was removed along with part of his bowel, according to a *****.com page set up to help pay for the medical expenses. Fecal matter from the ruptured organ also had to be flushed and treated with medications, the website said.

Travel agents recommend insurance that covers part or all of the emergency costs a traveler could find themselves with, said Cyndi Rose, manager at AAA Springfield, 577 N. Bechtle Ave., in Springfield.

“You never know what can happen and it’s a small, small price to pay on what could be a large investment,” Rose said.

Travelers can buy insurance on anything from a plane ticket to medical emergencies, she added.

Peyton is now on intravenous medication and food because he cannot eat due to the surgery and bowel removal, Karjala said.

Meanwhile, the family is trying to figure out how to pay for a medical service to get Peyton and his mother flown back to a children’s hospital in the U.S. The flight is estimated to cost roughly $6,000, Karjala said.

As of Thursday evening, the ***** page had raised more than $3,600 to help the family bring the mother and son home.

 

 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Elaine5715

[2wheelin]

31 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

  "One point to remember: Just because you can cruise without a passport doesn’t mean you should. If you were to miss the ship, not having a passport would make reentry into the U.S. a nightmare"

 

https://www.travelersunited.org/cruise-passengers-should-have-passports-period/  Note Carnival proceeded to Mobile instead of Mexico since flying home from Mexico would have been problematic for 900 without paasports, so if waiving US Passport requirements was no big deal, don't you think this would have been done?

.

 

 

Could, not would, but rarely a nightmare. Inconvenience, delay, PITA maybe.

What can be done ”no big deal” for a few people is not the same as 900 at once. Simply finding air reservations for 900 people would have been problematic.

[buckeyefrank]

On 9/16/2019 at 5:24 PM, coevan said:

 

 

No it's not, even though it is rare, we would never leave U.S. soil without a passport. Sparks, I understand how you feel and you do not travel internationally which is fine. We travel out of the country by air at least twice a year. We love land trips to the Caribbean as well as cruising and a passport card is not getting you on a plane to the Caribbean 

It won't get you on a plane to the Caribbean but it WILL get you back into the US with the help of the Embassy.  It may take an extra day or two but you will get home without a passport.

 

[coevan]

2 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

"One point to remember: Just because you can cruise without a passport doesn’t mean you should. If you were to miss the ship, not having a passport would make reentry into the U.S. a nightmare"

 

 

Remember the couple who did not have proper ID in Miami (unbelievable). They lost everything and all their ports were not U.S.

$150 would have saved them 1000's. People do unexpectedly have to leave the ship. 

[Elaine5715]

3 hours ago, buckeyefrank said:

It won't get you on a plane to the Caribbean but it WILL get you back into the US with the help of the Embassy.  It may take an extra day or two but you will get home without a passport.

 

Consulates aren't open on weekends or holidays and they don't re-open just to issue a passport.  You remain near the consulate (at your expense) until your documents are sent over and they issue you a passport.  So, no you don't get home without a passport.  

[sparks1093]

15 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

Yeah, they are but it will be the consulate employees who will follow the law and it is not their responsibility to expedite anything.  

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/lost-stolen-passport-abroad.html

 

https://getawaytips.azcentral.com/how-to-travel-in-an-emergency-without-a-passport-12310728.html

https://www.frommers.com/tips/cruise/do-i-need-a-passport-to-cruise  "One point to remember: Just because you can cruise without a passport doesn’t mean you should. If you were to miss the ship, not having a passport would make reentry into the U.S. a nightmare"

 

https://www.travelersunited.org/cruise-passengers-should-have-passports-period/  Note Carnival proceeded to Mobile instead of Mexico since flying home from Mexico would have been problematic for 900 without paasports, so if waiving US Passport requirements was no big deal, don't you think this would have been done?

 

This is why you never leave the US without a passport.  

https://www.b985.com/news/national/sick-boy-return-after-family-cruise-nightmare/B5cEFG1UNxDXPdu9sCChtI/

 

UPDATE @ 4:55 p.m., 6/5/2015:

A spokesman with Carnival Cruise Lines, Vance Gulliksen, tells us the Johnson family has been refunded their full cruise fare and a Carnival CareTeam is working towards funding the family’s return home. The family disembarked in Cozumel due to 12-year-old Peyton Johnson’s appendicitis.

UPDATE @ 2:50 p.m., 6/5/2015:

A Clark County boy is scheduled to return to the United States Saturday after undergoing emergency surgery for an appendicitis at a Mexican hospital after being removed from a Carnival cruise ship.

Peyton Johnson and his mother have been stuck in Mexico while Johnson received treatment and medical bills piled up.

 

The boy did not have a passport which complicated the situation.

Thursday, a former Beavercreek resident who now lives in Progreso, Mexico, visited Peyton Johnson in the Mexican hospital where he underwent emergency surgery.

Mick Bernhard heard about WHIO’s story and the Johnson family’s predicament.

According to a *****.com page set up by Johnson’s family, Peyton’s family wrote he will fly from Mexico Saturday to a children’s hospital in Houston, Texas. His bills have stretched to nearly $14,000 in Mexico, and bills are expected to climb for his stay in Houston and return flight to Ohio. So far, the Johnson family has received over $11,000 in donations to help cover Peyton’s expenses.

FIRST REPORT:

A Clark County boy and his mother are stuck in Mexico after his emergency surgery forced them off their cruise ship with no funds to pay for treatments.

Twelve-year-old Peyton Johnson and his mother, Christie, got off their Carnival cruise ship in Progreso, Mexico, after Peyton was diagnosed with appendicitis by the ship’s doctor, said Alex Karjala, Peyton’s father.

“This has turned into a terror vacation,” he said.

The Park Layne mother and son both did not travel with passports, which are not required for Carnival cruises that disembark and port at the same U.S. city, according to the cruise company’s website.

“Carnival highly recommends that all guests travel with a passport,” Vance Gullisken, a Carnival cruise line representative, said in an email Thursday.

The family did not buy travel insurance to cover any expenses from medical or trip 

emergencies, Karjala said. Now the pair are stuck in the Mexican city with hospital bills mounting — which must be paid for in cash, he added.

“They wanted $3,300 in cash to do the surgery and without it — no surgery,” Karjala said. “The hospital is charging them $900 dollars a day.”

When asked about the the company’s policy for travelers who suffer from medical emergencies while on board, Gullisken said Carnival does send some passengers to ports for service, depending on the severity of the illness.

“Should a guest experience a medical emergency on board, Carnival has a team of professionals called the CareTeam who would provide guests with assistance and support, including helping them return home,” the company spokesman said.

Carnival did send an interpreter to help the Johnsons, Karjala said, and offered to pay for their passports when they got in touch with the U.S. embassy. But the cost of travel home and medical expenses is left to the family to cover.

Peyton’s appendix had ruptured, and it was removed along with part of his bowel, according to a *****.com page set up to help pay for the medical expenses. Fecal matter from the ruptured organ also had to be flushed and treated with medications, the website said.

Travel agents recommend insurance that covers part or all of the emergency costs a traveler could find themselves with, said Cyndi Rose, manager at AAA Springfield, 577 N. Bechtle Ave., in Springfield.

“You never know what can happen and it’s a small, small price to pay on what could be a large investment,” Rose said.

Travelers can buy insurance on anything from a plane ticket to medical emergencies, she added.

Peyton is now on intravenous medication and food because he cannot eat due to the surgery and bowel removal, Karjala said.

Meanwhile, the family is trying to figure out how to pay for a medical service to get Peyton and his mother flown back to a children’s hospital in the U.S. The flight is estimated to cost roughly $6,000, Karjala said.

As of Thursday evening, the ***** page had raised more than $3,600 to help the family bring the mother and son home.

 

 

Regarding the Triumph story by the time the tugs got to the ship it was just as easy to tow them to Mobile as anywhere else and that was the main reason given for the decision. A more telling case was the Carnival ship that ended the cruise in St Maarten because of a mechanical issue. All passengers were given a letter from CBP allowing them to board flights and they all boarded flights with their passport holding fellow passengers (and yes, the same procedure can be and is used for individual passengers as allowed by the DHS regulations). The story about Peyton is similar to others that I've read where the main issue is the lack of funds to pay for the care received which is a stronger argument for good travel insurance. Again, people need to assess their individual risks and use the travel documentation that works best for them. IF something happens there will be a delay in returning to the US, but return to the US they will.

[sparks1093]

16 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

Your source, please?

Here on Cruise Critic.

[Elaine5715]

51 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

Here on Cruise Critic.

Well, then..I have a bridge for sale and a free cruise to giveaway

[2wheelin]

26 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Well, then..I have a bridge for sale and a free cruise to giveaway

Well, then. I guess we shouldn't believe what we read on CC

[sparks1093]

40 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Well, then..I have a bridge for sale and a free cruise to giveaway

So you're willing to listen to the horror stories but not the one's with a happy ending. To each her own.

[Illbcruzn4life]

8 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

Well, then..I have a bridge for sale and a free cruise to giveaway

So according to you nothing posted on Cruise Critic by fellow members or the staff is true? If so why should anybody believe anything you post?