Corona Virus.. anyone worried??

[ifinallydidit]

Here is a great site for stats on the Coronavirus. If you click the word "Statistics" it breaks it down for each country. If you click the word "News" you will get the latest news concerning this virus from the US and other countries. Just refresh the page for the most updated stats.

 https://covid19info.live/?fbclid=IwAR1tunDu94TbsYVaYViq2Ah8c3h16uGa0A4a21Za9PmG5n_K0DAG8knRmDE

[Ourusualbeach]

3 hours ago, Airbear232 said:

Numbers in the media seem to be much higher than those being reported by WHO.  Not sure why there is such a discrepancy.  However, based on WHO numbers from Situation Report 42 (March 2), the mortality rates are as follows: China 2915 deaths from 80174 reported cases or 3.6% mortality; Rest of World 128 deaths from 8774 reported cases or 1.5% mortality; and combined world 88948 reported cases and 3043 deaths for 3.4% mortality.  From initial numbers from China, men make up 68% of those infected and the average age of patient is 55.5 years.  It will be interesting to see if the demographic numbers are similar outside of China but I don't think there is enough data yet.

 

There is also a huge difference in the mortality rate within China if you start breaking down by the initial area infected to the outlying areas.  

[SG65CB]

12 hours ago, sellwingri said:

We sail out of San Juan on the 28th and plan to cruise but our daughter is urging us to change our mind.  She’s extremely worried.  We spent 2 1/2 days in Bayonne in February, unable to board since we were waiting for confirmation  that passengers disembarking from Anthem didn’t have the virus.  (They didn’t.).   I know if we decide not to go, we’ll get nothing back so we’ll be out $3700 for airfare and cruise.  We have travel insurance but it doesn’t cover epidemics, which corona is considered.  

 

Your daughter is making a decision based on anecdotal evidence, not data. 

 

At this point it is highly unlikely that you would catch COVID-19, and if you did it is highly likely that you will recover in a few days as if you had a cold. 

[Cruiser-EV]

I am concerned about COVID-19 and my cruise in May.  Oasis out of Cape Liberty.  I am not worried for myself but will be travelling with my Mom (82 with health issues) and my Aunt 80.  I always buy insurance but found out it is not the cancel for any reason coverage.

 

If my Mom even gets a cold it can turn into a big problem.  We are very cautious and we have cruised many times.  

 

We still have time but I'd be lying if I said I was not worried...

[sellwingri]

15 hours ago, Monthend said:

I'm on this cruise with you and my bf is not happy about going. He's afraid of being stuck on ship with no stops. I hope we have a better idea in a week or so.

 

This is a very port intensive cruise so I doubt they’ll cancel stops.  There have been no cases of the virus in San Juan or any islands in the Caribbean with the exception of one case in Dominican Republic.  That would be the only port they’d cancel.

[Ourusualbeach]

19 minutes ago, sellwingri said:

This is a very port intensive cruise so I doubt they’ll cancel stops.  There have been no cases of the virus in San Juan or any islands in the Caribbean with the exception of one case in Dominican Republic.  That would be the only port they’d cancel.

They won’t be cancelling a port because of 1 case.  

[Lisa M82]

We are supposed to go in 2 weeks in the Caribbean.  We usually travel at ease, but this time we are worried, not of the virus itself, but more if we are in quarantine somewhere if cases of the virus were declared on board.  Someone in our party has a condition that could be life threatening if not treated promptly, and our insurance say normally they would do a medical evacuation however with what is going on , they said it is out of their hands and they would have to follow the local governments instructions before attempting any evacuation.  The consulate has told us we would need to contact all the local government of our stops to find out what would be their protocol.  It’s absurd. 

[Monthend]

50 minutes ago, sellwingri said:

This is a very port intensive cruise so I doubt they’ll cancel stops.  There have been no cases of the virus in San Juan or any islands in the Caribbean with the exception of one case in Dominican Republic.  That would be the only port they’d cancel.

I read that St Lucia his cancelled on another RC ship because of nationality of crew. Poster said they received email from RC.

 

[Monthend]

52 minutes ago, sellwingri said:

This is a very port intensive cruise so I doubt they’ll cancel stops.  There have been no cases of the virus in San Juan or any islands in the Caribbean with the exception of one case in Dominican Republic.  That would be the only port they’d cancel.

I read that St Lucia has cancelled on another RC ship because of nationality of crew. Poster said they received email from RC.

 

[OnTheJourney]

If you've not been keeping tabs on the number of recovered cases, it's encouraging. Certainly the number of new cases occurring each day (not to mention the global spread) is alarming, but over the past nine days the number of recovered - on a daily basis - consistently ranges between 2.6k to 3.4k. This is the most so far with the exception of 2/22 at 4k. 

Edited March 4, 2020 by OnTheJourney

[OnTheJourney]

23 minutes ago, Lisa M82 said:

We usually travel at ease, but this time we are worried, not of the virus itself, but more if we are in quarantine somewhere if cases of the virus were declared on board.  

 

Agree....same worries here. 

[OnTheJourney]

1 hour ago, sellwingri said:

 There have been no cases of the virus in San Juan or any islands in the Caribbean with the exception of one case in Dominican Republic.  

 

There are now 3 cases in St. Barthelemy, which is only 62km distance from St. Kitts

[HalfHand]

On 3/2/2020 at 4:36 PM, Eslader said:

Mortality rate refers to people who die from the disease, and is limited to people with the disease.

 

In other words, if 100 people get Disease X, and it has a mortality rate of 100%, that doesn't mean the whole world dies, it means 100 people die.

 

 

Sounds like you have some information about how contagious this is or isn't. That's excellent news! because that one of the numbers I've been missing. How many sick, how many recovered, how many died, where it is spreading. All that freely available, I have yet to see a number saying it is only X% contagious. Here is what is says under the heading "How Easily The Virus Spreads" on the CDC website: 

"How easily a virus spreads from person-to-person can vary. Some viruses are highly contagious (spread easily), like measles, while other viruses do not spread as easily. Another factor is whether the spread is sustained, spreading continually without stopping.

The virus that causes COVID-19 seems to be spreading easily and sustainably in the community (“community spread”) in some affected geographic areas."

 

Hmm, no number. Sounds more like a definition. So I'm assuming 100% mostly to make the math easier on me, I'd be happy to drop that to 70%, but let's use the new 3.4% mortality rate, that would be 184,903,198 dead world wide. Yikes, that's higher than my last number...

 

Now will everyone get, we don't know. I hope not, I hope Washington state will be the front line where we stop this thing. But it is out in the wild in Washington. Until they start doing some serious testing, we are going to keep seeing what I believe are artificially low numbers.

 

 

[pmck]

On ‎3‎/‎2‎/‎2020 at 4:36 PM, Eslader said:

Mortality rate refers to people who die from the disease, and is limited to people with the disease.

 

In other words, if 100 people get Disease X, and it has a mortality rate of 100%, that doesn't mean the whole world dies, it means 100 people die.

 

See Half Hand's last post (last page).. he's at it again and clearly doesn't grasp the whole "mortality rate" thing

[pmck]

4 hours ago, HalfHand said:

 

Sounds like you have some information about how contagious this is or isn't. That's excellent news! because that one of the numbers I've been missing. How many sick, how many recovered, how many died, where it is spreading. All that freely available, I have yet to see a number saying it is only X% contagious. Here is what is says under the heading "How Easily The Virus Spreads" on the CDC website: 

"How easily a virus spreads from person-to-person can vary. Some viruses are highly contagious (spread easily), like measles, while other viruses do not spread as easily. Another factor is whether the spread is sustained, spreading continually without stopping.

The virus that causes COVID-19 seems to be spreading easily and sustainably in the community (“community spread”) in some affected geographic areas."

 

Hmm, no number. Sounds more like a definition. So I'm assuming 100% mostly to make the math easier on me, I'd be happy to drop that to 70%, but let's use the new 3.4% mortality rate, that would be 184,903,198 dead world wide. Yikes, that's higher than my last number...

 

Now will everyone get, we don't know. I hope not, I hope Washington state will be the front line where we stop this thing. But it is out in the wild in Washington. Until they start doing some serious testing, we are going to keep seeing what I believe are artificially low numbers.

 

 

check out this link for some up to date, accurate information so that you can stop spreading these crazy numbers of yours

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[firefly333]

On 3/4/2020 at 7:04 AM, Cruiser-EV said:

I am concerned about COVID-19 and my cruise in May.  Oasis out of Cape Liberty.  I am not worried for myself but will be travelling with my Mom (82 with health issues) and my Aunt 80.  I always buy insurance but found out it is not the cancel for any reason coverage.

 

If my Mom even gets a cold it can turn into a big problem.  We are very cautious and we have cruised many times.  

 

We still have time but I'd be lying if I said I was not worried...

Dont know the weather there in may, but here in dallas our newspaper said they expect it to be wiped out during april from the heat here in Texas.

[firefly333]

On 3/4/2020 at 7:28 AM, Ourusualbeach said:

They won’t be cancelling a port because of 1 case.  

Didnt they cancel ports for that msc ship because a worker had the flu, not even this virus.

 

I'm booking excursions with rcl, no taking chances. And going with the flow.

[pmck]

On ‎3‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 9:20 AM, OnTheJourney said:

If you've not been keeping tabs on the number of recovered cases, it's encouraging. Certainly the number of new cases occurring each day (not to mention the global spread) is alarming, but over the past nine days the number of recovered - on a daily basis - consistently ranges between 2.6k to 3.4k. This is the most so far with the exception of 2/22 at 4k. 

I've been watching Good Morning America with Dr. Jen and she says to expect to see the number of cases go up much more because they are testing more people now. This is a good thing.  They are hoping to get a handle on this by testing and taking necessary measures to stop the spread of this virius!!

 

[firefly333]

1 minute ago, pmck said:

I've been watching Good Morning America with Dr. Jen and she says to expect to see the number of cases go up much more because they are testing more people now. This is a good thing.  They are hoping to get a handle on this by testing and taking necessary measures to stop the spread of this virius!!

 

I watch the stock news. Last saturday trump removed regulations obama put in place so now every lab can make test kits, just copy theirs, and no longer need FDA approval 

 

Codx stock said now since last Saturday they can sell their test, takes 90 minutes and can test 48 at  time. They have been distributing in other countries but now can here too.

 

So expect as we get a handle on the number of cases, including those with hardly any symptoms the mortality rate will drop. Though the problem still will be some never see a doctor with few symptoms 

[Ourusualbeach]

30 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Didnt they cancel ports for that msc ship because a worker had the flu, not even this virus.

 

I'm booking excursions with rcl, no taking chances. And going with the flow.

I was referring to thete being one case in the city and the ship not docking. If therevwas a case on bird then I cant see any port letting them in. 

[time4u2go]

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

Dont know the weather there in may, but here in dallas our newspaper said they expect it to be wiped out during april from the heat here in Texas.

I'm impressed that your newspaper seems to know more about it than the WHO or the CDC, both of whom are uncertain of the effects of warmer weather on the virus.

[firefly333]

2 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

I'm impressed that your newspaper seems to know more about it than the WHO or the CDC, both of whom are uncertain of the effects of warmer weather on the virus.

I've listened to both and they have actually also said they expect it to be similar to other viruses.

 

That being said I expect it to be back next fall/winter ...

 

True dat, both contradict each other. I heard one doctor say get a 4 month supply of stuff, the next says they are afraid of hoarding.

 

I'm banking on my april 26 cruise out of texas to be ok. I dont plan on cancelling, but i see carnival and princess giving obc to stay booked. Hope rcl does that. Lots of fear out there.

[OnTheJourney]

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

 

 

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

Last saturday trump removed regulations obama put in place so now every lab can make test kits, just copy theirs, and no longer need FDA approval 

 

 

 

There appears to be no such regulation based on several different sources that I've read. Just more Trump fabrications. 

https://apnews.com/f4cd4c72e896d7fbd8ebd3516e864550

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by OnTheJourney

[firefly333]

1 minute ago, OnTheJourney said:

 

 

There appears to be no such regulation from what I've read. Just more Trump fabrications. 

Then why did the ceo of codx say yesterday in a interview that now since saturday they can distribute their test here in the usa. I guess you dont believe him either?

 

Heard his interview on a stock station interview. Codx of course is soaring. Traders love hearing such interviews.

 

Believe what you want. I'm loading up with stock to sell a year from now or enjoy dividends. 

 

I do admit I listen to stock news a lot.

 

I take what I hear with a grain of salt, but listen so I know which way stocks are blowing.

[pandi77]

We used our trip insurance and canceled our trip on the Grandeur of the Seas after hearing what could be happening there. The “flu outbreak” on the last cruise was said to be non coronavirus related but that could be because they didn’t actually test anyone For covid19 to determine that (they had no test!). They made that announcement based on the questionnaires provided that said no one had visited a hot spot and that some passengers tested positive for the flu (which you can have both simultaneously btw). Now we have 3 people in MD who have tested positive after returning from a “trip” that arrived back in Baltimore on the 20th (Date Grandeur came back). The crew is the same and hasn’t been changed. We probably could have waited until the dots were connected (or possibly not) to make our decision but I’d rather come up with a back up trip now for the kids.

 

We also don’t have confidence in how the cruise lines are handling these outbreaks. I respect that they are a business and need to make money but after reading how they canceled theater shows on Grand P but left the casinos open it seemed like the almighty dollar was the front most concern at least in this case :-/ 

 

My main concern is being quarantined as we have jobs and cannot afford to be away or delayed due to an outbreak (Diamond Princess, Grand Princess, and now possibly Grandeur of the Seas). Reading live post from these ships about how these passengers trips are unfolding is enough for me but it’s a personal choice. I think the situation will get worse before it gets better but I really hope I’m wrong because I love cruising more than anything:-(

Pence had a meeting with heads of the cruise industry today and Trump rescheduled his meeting in Atlanta with the CDC so I expect some decisions and announcements at some point in the near future. The new studies that show permanent fibrosis in “recovered” people is awful too and not like our normal flus we deal with. I hope they create a vaccine so we can treat this like the flu and move on!