Plans for Third Sydney Cruise Ship Terminal Delayed 18 Months

[NSWP]

17 hours ago, gbenjo said:

 

😡😡😡 Are you trying to do me out of a job Uncle Les?????? 😂😂

Not at all, just 'streamlining services.' You could go work for Qantas out at the new cruise terminal, then you would get cheap flights.

[The_Big_M]

1 hour ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

One of the main reasons I'm not a fan of the current proposed location of a third cruise terminal is it's proximity to the airport. The main take-off path is directly over that area. With planes passing that low overhead on take-off Passengers would spend their embarkation day huddled in the inside bars or their cabins wearing ear plugs instead of enjoying the outdoor bars or their balconies. 

 

The only time that area is used is when there is a southerly wind. Wind from all other directions excludes that use as a flight path. When a southerly exists, there are also alternate flight paths that can be used for the same routes. Therefore the location is not a problem in terms of flights.

 

As for passengers, it's not uncommon to see flights from a port, and I actually think it's pretty cool. They'd probably prefer that then have the hassle of a 3 hour connection somewhere and worry about connection times.

[gbenjo]

50 minutes ago, NSWP said:

Not at all, just 'streamlining services.' You could go work for Qantas out at the new cruise terminal, then you would get cheap flights.

cheap flights....to where????????🤣🤣

[OzKiwiJJ]

As far as I can recall most of the flights I've been on out of Sydney take off over the bay.

[gbenjo]

Just now, OzKiwiJJ said:

As far as I can recall most of the flights I've been on out of Sydney take off over the bay.

Yes, and dropping all that pollution into the bay...don't they care about the seahorses?????🤮

[MicCanberra]

23 minutes ago, The_Big_M said:

As for passengers, it's not uncommon to see flights from a port, and I actually think it's pretty cool. They'd probably prefer that then have the hassle of a 3 hour connection somewhere and worry about connection times.

Vancouver has it's cruise terminal on the side of the airport, no issues.

[Blackduck59]

2 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Vancouver has it's cruise terminal on the side of the airport, no issues.

HUH???

YVR is nowhere near the Cruise terminal, it's about 16 kms away, there is a sky train link though.

[MicCanberra]

8 minutes ago, Blackduck59 said:

HUH???

YVR is nowhere near the Cruise terminal, it's about 16 kms away, there is a sky train link though.

Plenty of sea planes coming and going all day long and when the cruise ships depart , they head off down the runway.

[gbenjo]

2 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Plenty of sea planes coming and going all day long and when the cruise ships depart , they head off down the runway.

Nice save Mick 😂😂👍

[Blackduck59]

If you wanted to use that then Victoria Airport (YWH) is right by the cruise port too. Problem is the biggest plane operating from there is the Twin Otter. Anything bigger you need YYJ.

Of course it would be interesting to see the flight from Australia landing at CXH it would definitely make the news😁

[OzKiwiJJ]

A cruise terminal to one side of an airport may not be quite as noisy as one underneath a flight path. Even though we are 12-14kms from Sydney airport in a direct line we sometimes get a plane going over that has just taken off and it rattles the windows. Take-offs are much noisier than landings.

[NSWP]

Let's can the proposed Botany Cruise Terminal and head back to Garden Island as the new site for a second cruise terminal, we can send the Royal Australian Navy to Botany or Port Kembla, they don't need the pretty harbour views.  Harry De Wheels Pie Cart can be relocated to those places to satisfy the matelots.  What say ye? 

[OzKiwiJJ]

Makes sense to me!

[in rod we trust]

24 minutes ago, NSWP said:

Let's can the proposed Botany Cruise Terminal and head back to Garden Island as the new site for a second cruise terminal, we can send the Royal Australian Navy to Botany or Port Kembla, they don't need the pretty harbour views.  Harry De Wheels Pie Cart can be relocated to those places to satisfy the matelots.  What say ye? 

your forgetting the graving dock its the only one left on the east coast

[Docker123]

$5+billion to relocate and replicate the naval base.

 

May not be high on the agenda.

 

 

[OzKiwiJJ]

The government is planning on spending 270 billion on upgrading our defences so they might as well do that at the same time.

[in rod we trust]

have any of you even stopped to even consider the damage dredging that whole bay  will do to all the fish, seals, dolphins, sea grass, etc etc  the area has just come back to life after 10-15 yrs , and thats in yarra bay and mollineaux point ,   last time they dredged it destroyed the bay,   then there is the gas caverns there ,  also oil pipeline in yarra bay.  if it was such a good idea , then why has the port authority  redacted all the negatives on the first type survey they did . that seabed  toxin has cancer causing chemicals that should not be disturbed ,  them ships and there thrusters will keep on swirling them up.   there will also have to be a massive break wall built to stop those waves from smashing them ships into the wall or dock or breaking loose and getting beached. there has been many times they have had to put container ships to sea from them breaking there mooring ropes and they are sheltered from the break wall . there have been gas leaks from them above ground tanks as well , a dock there would be less than 50 mtrs from those tanks and dangerous to the cruise ship and passengers 

 

that area has some of the worst swells in sydney they have reached over that break wall , they have some bad winds there , its a disaster waiting to happen with a cruise ships there . i have been there with swells of ten mtrs high in summer .  

 

thats also the last indigenous beach left in sydney still used by them today . why would you want to destroy such a lovely place just for a cruise ship . sydney doesnt need the traffic jams , its already jammed up every day.  its easier and cheaper for them to use a existing port like port kembla , or newcastle . or even use eden  .  

 

 

have you stopped to think about how much destruction  just for  your  convenience . most cruise ship companies dont want it there its only royal carribean for there massive 360m + ships.  what are you going to see at yarra bay , a grave yard , gas storage containers ,  the port authority even mentioned that if a passenger terminal building cant be built there then they may transport the people to a nearby building for  customs  ..   how about ya stop and think about your country first before the matter of convenience .  how about stopping and thinking about what destruction before convenience .  how about thinking of the indigenous people and all those who use the bay families , kids , sailors , anglers, kayakers , marine life , before convenience . 

maybe some of you can chip  in and buy the port authority report and read it.  thats if you can read past all the redaction 

 

the only one thing i agree is the navy dockyards in sydney harbor should be moved and its not needed there they can build other docks away from sydney  , im sure they would love to have a brand new state of the art base on the east coast . instead of the lack  of space they have now there.  australia needs new naval bases . but botany is not the answer to that either 

 

Edited July 2, 2020 by in rod we trust

[gbenjo]

22 minutes ago, in rod we trust said:

have any of you even stopped to even consider the damage dredging that whole bay  will do to all the fish, seals, dolphins, sea grass, etc etc  the area has just come back to life after 10-15 yrs , and thats in yarra bay and mollineaux point ,   last time they dredged it destroyed the bay,   then there is the gas caverns there ,  also oil pipeline in yarra bay.  if it was such a good idea , then why has the port authority  redacted all the negatives on the first type survey they did . that seabed  toxin has cancer causing chemicals that should not be disturbed ,  them ships and there thrusters will keep on swirling them up.   there will also have to be a massive break wall built to stop those waves from smashing them ships into the wall or dock or breaking loose and getting beached. there has been many times they have had to put container ships to sea from them breaking there mooring ropes and they are sheltered from the break wall . there have been gas leaks from them above ground tanks as well , a dock there would be less than 50 mtrs from those tanks and dangerous to the cruise ship and passengers 

 

that area has some of the worst swells in sydney they have reached over that break wall , they have some bad winds there , its a disaster waiting to happen with a cruise ships there . i have been there with swells of ten mtrs high in summer .  

 

thats also the last indigenous beach left in sydney still used by them today . why would you want to destroy such a lovely place just for a cruise ship . sydney doesnt need the traffic jams , its already jammed up every day.  its easier and cheaper for them to use a existing port like port kembla , or newcastle . or even use eden  .  

 

 

have you stopped to think about how much destruction  just for  your  convenience . most cruise ship companies dont want it there its only royal carribean for there massive 360m + ships.  what are you going to see at yarra bay , a grave yard , gas storage containers ,  the port authority even mentioned that if a passenger terminal building cant be built there then they may transport the people to a nearby building for  customs  ..   how about ya stop and think about your country first before the matter of convenience .  how about stopping and thinking about what destruction before convenience .  how about thinking of the indigenous people and all those who use the bay families , kids , sailors , anglers, kayakers , marine life , before convenience . 

maybe some of you can chip  in and buy the port authority report and read it.  thats if you can read past all the redaction 

 

the only one thing i agree is the navy dockyards in sydney harbor should be moved and its not needed there they can build other docks away from sydney  , im sure they would love to have a brand new state of the art base on the east coast . instead of the lack  of space they have now there.  australia needs new naval bases . but botany is not the answer to that either 

 

NO.

[NSWP]

11 minutes ago, gbenjo said:

NO.

😆Adequate response Graham.😜Short and Sweet.

[Blackduck59]

Interesting how the fellow with the pole is so concerned about the environment but disregards the destruction his own hobby club did to create their little club house and boat facility.

[Chiliburn]

1 hour ago, NSWP said:

Let's can the proposed Botany Cruise Terminal and head back to Garden Island as the new site for a second cruise terminal, we can send the Royal Australian Navy to Botany or Port Kembla, they don't need the pretty harbour views.  Harry De Wheels Pie Cart can be relocated to those places to satisfy the matelots.  What say ye? 

If Garden Island was approved,getting trucks into it would be tight and what about getting passengers? A ferry to circular quay on ship days maybe?

[gbenjo]

16 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

If Garden Island was approved,getting trucks into it would be tight and what about getting passengers? A ferry to circular quay on ship days maybe?

BCT will go ahead, just been delayed for eighteen months 
The almighty dollar will win over a few insignificant protesters 👍👍👍🤑🤑🤑

[Chiliburn]

14 minutes ago, gbenjo said:

BCT will go ahead, just been delayed for eighteen months 
The almighty dollar will win over a few insignificant protesters 👍👍👍🤑🤑🤑

18 months delayed, that’s the last half of next.That time will flash by.
 

And NSW Transport is still working on it ,just the public consolation has stopped.

 

 

Edited July 2, 2020 by Chiliburn

[The_Big_M]

1 hour ago, Docker123 said:

$5+billion to relocate and replicate the naval base.

 

May not be high on the agenda.

 

 

 

Apparently, business cases don't matter to some.

[The_Big_M]

56 minutes ago, Blackduck59 said:

Interesting how the fellow with the pole is so concerned about the environment but disregards the destruction his own hobby club did to create their little club house and boat facility.

 

Just as with his own willingness to cruise if it sails from Sydney Harbour for example, despite all the negativity he says about ships and cruise companies, there's always been more than a little hypocrisy in the commentary.

 

His mob were suggesting building a cruise terminal in a National Park on Sydney Harbour as a better alternative. Yeah, sure, it's all about the environment.