Protocols for Unvaccinated Guests on Freedom of the Seas cruises starting July 2

[ljason913]

5 hours ago, firefly333 said:

Why make trouble for the staff? Just follow whatever rules.

 

There are some ports where masks are required like cozumel. I saw it mentioned when adventure was there, and boarding in the terminal. 

 

Some people arent ready to resume  cruises. 

if you want to wear ten mask or a space suit on ur cruise you have the freedom to choose to do that.i should have the freedom to not have to wear them.this is my vacation i dont want to wear a mask and get tested all day on my VACATION

[ljason913]

9 hours ago, 3kidsncats said:

I’m going to respond to your two comments in just this one response — I understand you don’t want to wear a mask, and for whatever reason, have a problem with testing.  But since you don’t own the cruise line, I’m assuming, it’s not really going to be your call.  
 

If they require testing to board the ship, and you refuse, you won’t be allowed on.  The US is requiring testing to re-enter after international travel, so I guess you won’t be coming home either if you are booked on a foreign departure cruise. If your departure port requires air travel, you are going to have to wear a mask on the plane, otherwise they either won’t let you board or will escort you off. 
 

Seems like the foreign ports are all requiring masks too — the Bahamas are charging $250 I believe, and up to 30 days in jail for violating the mask rules.  I think Mexico also had some consequences set up.  
 

So if you are going to cruise, or generally travel to foreign countries, you’re going to have to act like an adult and accept the realities of life at the moment.  It’s not all about what we as individuals want — and throwing a tantrum could land you in more trouble than you probably want.

let me make something very clear since u want to get tested all day on ur vacation... false positives happen all the time.... how would u feel if they deny u boarding after all the trouble u spent flying into port all the money spent...u wont be a happy camper...but u wanted all this constant testing!!!!!!!!

[ljason913]

9 hours ago, 3kidsncats said:

I’m going to respond to your two comments in just this one response — I understand you don’t want to wear a mask, and for whatever reason, have a problem with testing.  But since you don’t own the cruise line, I’m assuming, it’s not really going to be your call.  
 

If they require testing to board the ship, and you refuse, you won’t be allowed on.  The US is requiring testing to re-enter after international travel, so I guess you won’t be coming home either if you are booked on a foreign departure cruise. If your departure port requires air travel, you are going to have to wear a mask on the plane, otherwise they either won’t let you board or will escort you off. 
 

Seems like the foreign ports are all requiring masks too — the Bahamas are charging $250 I believe, and up to 30 days in jail for violating the mask rules.  I think Mexico also had some consequences set up.  
 

So if you are going to cruise, or generally travel to foreign countries, you’re going to have to act like an adult and accept the realities of life at the moment.  It’s not all about what we as individuals want — and throwing a tantrum could land you in more trouble than you probably want.

with this logic than disney world etc should test every single human being that enters the park daily???? how many people go on the rides a day touch everything????????? should we get tested when we enter a dirty plane???? how about church or the store????? like this is beyond ridiculous 

[garywatson]

2 hours ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

More mis-information.  You've been led to believe this mess.

Please show us studies of the scientific data that the natural immune anti-bodies of those that have had covid are not as good or equal to your vaccine.  

 

There are a lot of people in the UK who have recovered from covid but who are now catching the new 'India' variant, at a higher rate than the breakthrough rate of some (but not all) vaccines.  Moderna and Pfizer are doing well against this new variant but others not so much.  Some of the possible reasons are discussed in this preprint paper: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.04.442663v1.full.pdf

[ljason913]

i do alot of back to backs and im going to be walking on egg shells now omg is this cruise going to shut down because they want to test 24.7 and find positive cases???? will i have to test and get a false positive...like what kind of vacation is that?????? how is that fun for anyone!!!!!!!!!

[ReneeFLL]

26 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

I'm not sure when you got covid and/or your subsequent vaccine. There was alot of unknowns early on regarding natural immunities so getting the vax was probably wise at that time. But today, studies are beginning to show that natural immunities are as good as the vaccine itself. Like you, I'm hoping the vaccines fight of any mutations as I don't have any other help with natutal immunities.  

My mom and stepdad had covid in January. Their doctor recommended they get the vaccines and they did. They had a bad case.

[garywatson]

48 minutes ago, broberts said:

 

I do accept that some may have legitimate concerns about covid vaccines. But the argument that it usually takes years of testing before approval is questionable in this context. Most new vaccines have test data from at best a few hundred thousand subjects. The covid vaccines have data from hundreds of millions of subjects.

 

Admittedly long term effects are still to be  discovered. Every vaccine approved has had this limitation. I am not aware of any established time limit before vaccines can be approved.

 

Every year we get a new flu vaccine formulation which has had zero testing, short or long term, in humans before it's mass-produced. Some covid vaccines, the least effective ones, are based on a similar technique to flu vaccines - they kill some viruses and inject you with the debris and your body does the rest.  So if people don't want mRNA they could just opt for one of the crappier, old-fashioned vaccines that are available.

[ReneeFLL]

27 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Well that's my. point, they shouldn't have to prove anything to a government agency. Only to their cusyomers. If the CDC would get out of their way, they'd figure this out. But jumping through the hoops is crazy and has prevented the industry from starting earlier. 

True they shouldn’t have to prove anything to the government. Even if they didn’t have to I’m sure Royal would still take all the precautions necessary to cruise safely. They have chosen to treat unvaccinated differently in order to hopefully do so.

 

21 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

True. A vacation is not a basic human right... but the idea of segregating the public is against every basic human right there is. If you can have a vacation, so can I. So can my neighbor, my Pastot, my Doctor, my Teacher, and so forth. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. 

You’re right. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander so the unvaccinated who want to cruise now should get vaccinated. 💉

[ReneeFLL]

1 hour ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that between February 2020 and March 2021, there were about 114.6 million total coronavirus infections in the U.S.. That’s about 81.1 million more cases than are confirmed as of June 17.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article252185473.html

 

24 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

You have no idea how long your vaccine is going to last either. Zip. Zero. Zilch. And they wouldn't want to take it because they've already HAD COVID. It's like buying two airline tickets for the same flight in case the flight crashes at least you have another seat! LOL

Read the article again that you referenced.

[carolyn22]

32 minutes ago, ljason913 said:

if you want to wear ten mask or a space suit on ur cruise you have the freedom to choose to do that.i should have the freedom to not have to wear them.this is my vacation i dont want to wear a mask and get tested all day on my VACATION

Sounds like cruising should not be your vacation of choice right now if it makes you this upset. 

[ljason913]

3 minutes ago, carolyn22 said:

Sounds like cruising should not be your vacation of choice right now if it makes you this upset. 

I am hoping that because the Florida governor is so against vaccine and testing etc royal will follow. 

[At Sea At Peace]

21 minutes ago, ljason913 said:

I am hoping that because the Florida governor is so against vaccine and testing etc royal will follow. 

 

Please.

 

The Florida governor, and Legislature, are against 'vaccine passports as a requirement.

 

The Florida governor has been vaccinated and encourages vaccination.

 

The Florida governor is not against 'testing; the state has one of the highest # of tests.

 

Again, please.

[Russ Lomas]

2 hours ago, CI66774 said:

Now, if RCI charges a reasonable fee for testing in line with its actual costs - that’s fine. But charging $1,000 to those who refused to present vaccine verification when it has no relation to the actual costs of the testing is so ridiculously a violation even my cat sees it. Next....

I have not read the posts from your post forward as of yet, so if this has been stated already, I apologize for repeating it...

 

RCCL has stated their Covid tests will run in the $130-140 range (I forget the actual amount they posted).  They said this money will go to the company directly that they have contracted to conduct the tests and that RCCL will not be making a penny off of Covid tests conducted.  So I am not sure where you got the $1000 fee from, unless you have a family of 7 or 8 you will not be paying $1000 for Covid tests to RCCL.

[ljason913]

3 minutes ago, At Sea At Peace said:

 

Please.

 

The Florida governor, and Legislature, are against 'vaccine passports as a requirement.

 

The Florida governor has been vaccinated and encourages vaccination.

 

The Florida governor is not against 'testing; the state has one of the highest # of tests.

 

Again, please.

i do not want to wear a mask or test ever if i got my vaccine!

[3kidsncats]

54 minutes ago, ljason913 said:

let me make something very clear since u want to get tested all day on ur vacation... false positives happen all the time.... how would u feel if they deny u boarding after all the trouble u spent flying into port all the money spent...u wont be a happy camper...but u wanted all this constant testing!!!!!!!!

Where did anyone (other than you) say testing would be done all day? Not aware of any cruise line that is suggesting anything like that.  Daily isn’t even on the table.  Where did I say I wanted to be tested or that I think constant testing of vaccinated people was necessary? I never said that, so the answer is “no where”.  
 

What I did say, to be CLEAR, is that you can say all day long, til the cows come home, that you don’t want to wear a mask, or be tested (which is fine, if you stay home all the time) but in the REAL world that is not going to work.  How will YOU feel when you get turned away for refusing the required testing and masking? Probably not going to be a happy camper. I’m not going to have a problem on my trip because we will limit outings and mask up in the weeks prior to our cruise, and we will get tested and wear a mask as needed.  We are adults, and understand reality.

[ljason913]

3 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Where did anyone (other than you) say testing would be done all day? Not aware of any cruise line that is suggesting anything like that.  Daily isn’t even on the table.  Where did I say I wanted to be tested or that I think constant testing of vaccinated people was necessary? I never said that, so the answer is “no where”.  
 

What I did say, to be CLEAR, is that you can say all day long, til the cows come home, that you don’t want to wear a mask, or be tested (which is fine, if you stay home all the time) but in the REAL world that is not going to work.  How will YOU feel when you get turned away for refusing the required testing and masking? Probably not going to be a happy camper. I’m not going to have a problem on my trip because we will limit outings and mask up in the weeks prior to our cruise, and we will get tested and wear a mask as needed.  We are adults, and understand reality.

i read somewhere the one cruise wants a test before u get to port...than a test on boarding day before going onto the ship than test when ur cruise ends...thats ALOT

[3kidsncats]

1 hour ago, ljason913 said:

with this logic than disney world etc should test every single human being that enters the park daily???? how many people go on the rides a day touch everything????????? should we get tested when we enter a dirty plane???? how about church or the store????? like this is beyond ridiculous 

Did you even read my post?  My logic is that if you refuse required protocols that cruise lines have in place (or airlines, foreign countries, etc) you won’t be allowed in.  Period.  Pretty simple.  I made ZERO mention of whether anyone SHOULD be tested or not.  And yet, your response seems like you think that’s all I said.  🙄

[ljason913]

2 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Did you even read my post?  My logic is that if you refuse required protocols that cruise lines have in place (or airlines, foreign countries, etc) you won’t be allowed in.  Period.  Pretty simple.  I made ZERO mention of whether anyone SHOULD be tested or not.  And yet, your response seems like you think that’s all I said.  🙄

i didnt. its ok to agree to disagree.be well

[3kidsncats]

1 minute ago, ljason913 said:

i read somewhere the one cruise wants a test before u get to port...than a test on boarding day before going onto the ship than test when ur cruise ends...thats ALOT

Wrong.  One test before you leave home.  One test within 3 days of returning to the US.  Maybe you are reading too fast, or maybe properly spelled words vs text lingo doesn’t register for you.  And even if your comment I’ve just quoted was correct, that is still FAR different than “testing all day long” as you railed against in your previous posts

[ljason913]

3 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Did you even read my post?  My logic is that if you refuse required protocols that cruise lines have in place (or airlines, foreign countries, etc) you won’t be allowed in.  Period.  Pretty simple.  I made ZERO mention of whether anyone SHOULD be tested or not.  And yet, your response seems like you think that’s all I said.  🙄

maybe we should do testing for other diseases as well since people seem to forget that covid is not the only disease out here.noro virus.cold flu....

[ljason913]

Just now, 3kidsncats said:

Wrong.  One test before you leave home.  One test within 3 days of returning to the US.  Maybe you are reading too fast, or maybe properly spelled words vs text lingo doesn’t register for you.  And even if your comment I’ve just quoted was correct, that is still FAR different than “testing all day long” as you railed against in your previous posts

i stand by what i said its ok to not agree but im not changing my opinion. i am vaccinated i dont want to test at all and i dont want to wear a mask period on my vacation 

[ljason913]

2 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Wrong.  One test before you leave home.  One test within 3 days of returning to the US.  Maybe you are reading too fast, or maybe properly spelled words vs text lingo doesn’t register for you.  And even if your comment I’ve just quoted was correct, that is still FAR different than “testing all day long” as you railed against in your previous posts

still over kill in my opinion 

[Babr]

31 minutes ago, ljason913 said:

I am hoping that because the Florida governor is so against vaccine and testing etc royal will follow. 

I don’t think the Florida law will help you there. It prevents businesses from asking about vaccine status. If that were to happen, there would be more unvaccinated passengers on board, not fewer. More unvaccinated means more testing and more mask wearing.

 

If the governor truly wants to restart cruising in order to restore jobs and boost Florida’s economy, perhaps he should get out of the way and let cruise lines have more leeway in determining the best procedures to restart successfully rather than putting them in the position to do an end run to get around government interference at the state level.

[ljason913]

2 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Wrong.  One test before you leave home.  One test within 3 days of returning to the US.  Maybe you are reading too fast, or maybe properly spelled words vs text lingo doesn’t register for you.  And even if your comment I’ve just quoted was correct, that is still FAR different than “testing all day long” as you railed against in your previous posts

the celeb cruise where everyone was vaccinated still had cases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ljason913]

I am married to a doctor and she even said that covid is being blown out of proportion . she told me to get the vaccine and i did