Deployment 2023-24 booking season begins

[Chiliburn]

35 minutes ago, springaussie said:

Looks that way Chilli. 

The Yokohama ones must be more revenue. 

IS this a sign that things are not too crash hot on the local Singapore cruises at this time of the year? 
But surely the Japan ones will a have a lot of high tier cruisers just using the free drink vouchers and cashing out the OBC in the casino. 


 

 

 

The Singapore run is a bit repetitive and short.

Top tier would be a good revenue base and then there’s the Japanese market to tap into ,the 3rd largest economy.

They could always Have a seasonal voyager class in Singapore.

 

But looking at those itineraries only a couple aren’t Oasis capable, I think the Vietnam ones. Is there a container port they could use ?

It might be a test run for a Oasis class? Utopia?

 

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Chiliburn

[springaussie]

2 hours ago, Chiliburn said:

The Singapore run is a bit repetitive and short.

Top tier would be a good revenue base and then there’s the Japanese market to tap into ,the 3rd largest economy.

They could always Have a seasonal voyager class in Singapore.

 

But looking at those itineraries only a couple aren’t Oasis capable, I think the Vietnam ones. Is there a container port they could use ?

It might be a test run for a Oasis class? Utopia?

 

 

Singapore is certainly repitive.

Phu My was an industrial port when I used in 2017 on Mariner of the Seas on her last cruise from Shanghai. 

Chilli if Royal was testing for Oasis why aren’t they using the new terminal in Tokyo instead of Yokohama. Royal has been mentioning for 11 years now Singapore is Oasis ready.  What else does Singapore have to do to prove they are Oasis. They were Oasis ready in May 2012. .

 

 

 

[cheznandy]

Anyone know when the itineraries are out for Honolulu to Sydney 2024?

I see there is a rollcall for Brilliance, Vancouver to Honolulu ending on 2nd Oct and assuming ( prop not a good thing to do!!) that it will continue on to Sydney, there is an arrival date for "Vision" on Sydney ports on the 20th Oct which would tie into an 18 day crossing.

 

If this has been discussed elsewhere just head me in that direction, looking to make a booking but preferably not on Quantum or Ovation which look to arrive November .

[springaussie]

18 minutes ago, cheznandy said:

Anyone know when the itineraries are out for Honolulu to Sydney 2024?

I see there is a rollcall for Brilliance, Vancouver to Honolulu ending on 2nd Oct and assuming ( prop not a good thing to do!!) that it will continue on to Sydney, there is an arrival date for "Vision" on Sydney ports on the 20th Oct which would tie into an 18 day crossing.

 

If this has been discussed elsewhere just head me in that direction, looking to make a booking but preferably not on Quantum or Ovation which look to arrive November .

The rough date for this should be out in the week or 2 when the Deployment Flyer is updated.

it is normally around Easter time. 

If you go back a few posts in this thread it has been discussed about Brilliance not going to Oz for the 24/25 season. Brilliance is listed in the Grand Cayman early 2025. 
Quantum looks like she is going to Singapore for a dry on the way to Brisbane November 2024. 
 

[cheznandy]

23 minutes ago, springaussie said:

The rough date for this should be out in the week or 2 when the Deployment Flyer is updated.

it is normally around Easter time. 

If you go back a few posts in this thread it has been discussed about Brilliance not going to Oz for the 24/25 season. Brilliance is listed in the Grand Cayman early 2025. 
Quantum looks like she is going to Singapore for a dry on the way to Brisbane November 2024. 
 

Thanks for that. 

I see both Radiance and Brilliance are in Alaska so either could do the transpacific from Vancouver?

Quantum for a dry dock might be a good itinerary, but rather Radiance class.

I have a special "0" birthday so will wait and see.......thanks!

[springaussie]

26 minutes ago, cheznandy said:

Thanks for that. 

I see both Radiance and Brilliance are in Alaska so either could do the transpacific from Vancouver?

Quantum for a dry dock might be a good itinerary, but rather Radiance class.

I have a special "0" birthday so will wait and see.......thanks!

The only shop I see doing Vancouver to Oz is Ovation at this stage. 
 

[Chiliburn]

3 hours ago, springaussie said:

Singapore is certainly repitive.

Phu My was an industrial port when I used in 2017 on Mariner of the Seas on her last cruise from Shanghai. 

Chilli if Royal was testing for Oasis why aren’t they using the new terminal in Tokyo instead of Yokohama. Royal has been mentioning for 11 years now Singapore is Oasis ready.  What else does Singapore have to do to prove they are Oasis. They were Oasis ready in May 2012. .

 

 

 

Maybe LNG ???

 

I believe Hong Kong cruise terminal now has ship LNG 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Chiliburn

[Ethanol95]

6 hours ago, springaussie said:

Looks that way Chilli. 

The Yokohama ones must be more revenue. 

IS this a sign that things are not too crash hot on the local Singapore cruises at this time of the year? 
But surely the Japan ones will a have a lot of high tier cruisers just using the free drink vouchers and cashing out the OBC in the casino. 


 

 

 

You can't compare the 2 different itineraries. It's like comparing oranges and apples. Both target to capture different markets. 12n - international/North asia/South Asia cruises, 4/3N - SEA cruises + international 

[Ethanol95]

6 hours ago, Chiliburn said:

The Singapore run is a bit repetitive and short.

Top tier would be a good revenue base and then there’s the Japanese market to tap into ,the 3rd largest economy.

They could always Have a seasonal voyager class in Singapore.

 

But looking at those itineraries only a couple aren’t Oasis capable, I think the Vietnam ones. Is there a container port they could use ?

It might be a test run for a Oasis class? Utopia?

 

 

I don't think an O class would run 12 nights from SG, if anything, it is way too long for the average local cruiser in SG market to consider if offered regularly. 

 

But it could be finding a new purpose for a quantum class ship which could be added seasonally, in addition to a O class based out of SG.

[geoff2802]

18 hours ago, Ethanol95 said:

Some interesting Developments happening in Asia right now. 

 

 

Rumours have it 37 nights of sailings in Sept 2023 out of Singapore has been cancelled thus far from the website, but not officially announced. Either could be a series of charters or perhaps, Spectrum is leaving SG and going back to HK earlier than planned. This opens the doors to questions of what ship will replace Spectrum in Singapore. 

Thanks for sharing.  I see this as a cautious re-entry to North Asia for Royal, requiring no re-deployment, no home porting commitment and minimal impact if it doesn’t work out.  
 

I still think there is an opportunity for Royal in Japan.  Maybe they are exploring this in a small low risk way.  

[Ethanol95]

38 minutes ago, geoff2802 said:

Thanks for sharing.  I see this as a cautious re-entry to North Asia for Royal, requiring no re-deployment, no home porting commitment and minimal impact if it doesn’t work out.  
 

I still think there is an opportunity for Royal in Japan.  Maybe they are exploring this in a small low risk way.  

But it's still a fly cruise into Japan or Singapore. Unlikely it will be testing out China/HK demand, as it is only a port of call there. If the Chinese market can now fly anywhere, why fly to one of those places for a cruise in their backyard when they can go further? 

Catering to a Japan target market will be interesting cause before the pandemic, i believe only Princess had a large presence and market share there. So if coming back post-pandemic and Princess is late to the game, it might be the perfect window of opportunity for Royal to introduce themselves and build market share to become the majority shareholder of the Asia cruising industry.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Ethanol95

[geoff2802]

1 hour ago, Ethanol95 said:

You can't compare the 2 different itineraries. It's like comparing oranges and apples. Both target to capture different markets. 12n - international/North asia/South Asia cruises, 4/3N - SEA cruises + international 

You’re right and I wonder about Royal’s strategy for Asia.   Pre-pandemic they targeted new cruisers, sourced locally with mostly short cruises.  What is their strategy now?  Do they have one?  
 

[Ethanol95]

9 minutes ago, geoff2802 said:

You’re right and I wonder about Royal’s strategy for Asia.   Pre-pandemic they targeted new cruisers, sourced locally with mostly short cruises.  What is their strategy now?  Do they have one?  
 

I think it's pretty undefined as of yet, they are only sticking with 3/4 nights because they took a gamble and it seems to have paid off for them. Now testing this 12 nights, i'm sure they would be breaking down segments of the market, and looking how Singapore local cruisers deem this itinerary. 

 

Though I have to point out, a Japanese itinerary for Singaporeans is like Honey for bees. Again, the only thing being tested here is length. 

 

Asian's are generally hard workers or are forced to work long hours/less offs etc. culturally so to have a relatively high demand for this 12 night cruise just from Singaporeans alone will be of a lot of interest. Albeit, if they can time the seasonal deployments to major school holidays, you might have a winning combination for the survival and longevity of longer cruises in and around the SEA/North Asia region.

[geoff2802]

6 minutes ago, Ethanol95 said:

I think it's pretty undefined as of yet, they are only sticking with 3/4 nights because they took a gamble and it seems to have paid off for them. Now testing this 12 nights, i'm sure they would be breaking down segments of the market, and looking how Singapore local cruisers deem this itinerary. 

 

Though I have to point out, a Japanese itinerary for Singaporeans is like Honey for bees. Again, the only thing being tested here is length. 

 

Asian's are generally hard workers or are forced to work long hours/less offs etc. culturally so to have a relatively high demand for this 12 night cruise just from Singaporeans alone will be of a lot of interest. Albeit, if they can time the seasonal deployments to major school holidays, you might have a winning combination for the survival and longevity of longer cruises in and around the SEA/North Asia region.

All good points.  They will also get Japanese on board these longer cruises.  Might need the cost of airfares to fall before they see a lot of inbound from US, Australia, Europe, UK.  Hopefully it works out and we see more longer Asia itineraries from Royal.  Like many,  we have cruised with Princess (from Singapore) because Royal wasn’t offering interesting itineraries.  

[Ethanol95]

29 minutes ago, geoff2802 said:

All good points.  They will also get Japanese on board these longer cruises.  Might need the cost of airfares to fall before they see a lot of inbound from US, Australia, Europe, UK.  Hopefully it works out and we see more longer Asia itineraries from Royal.  Like many,  we have cruised with Princess (from Singapore) because Royal wasn’t offering interesting itineraries.  

I've always been for 7n length of cruises, but i know with 7n for sure they can't reach Japan from SG, which is a shame cause it would do so well. Unless spectrum can suddenly one day do 35knts 👀

[little britain]

11 hours ago, Chiliburn said:

I wonder if the Singapore to Tokyo will become a regular thing with interporting.

Love that route with overnight in HK! 
Wonder what the prices will be like as the original sailings were dirt cheap…something like $2200 for 2 in a balcony. Sadly didn’t fit in with our schedule for 2023

[Biker19]

9 hours ago, cheznandy said:

Anyone know when the itineraries are out for Honolulu to Sydney 2024?

It will be discussed in the newer 2024-2025 deployment thread.

[cheznandy]

10 hours ago, Biker19 said:

It will be discussed in the newer 2024-2025 deployment thread.

Thankyou found it

[RedDevil]

Have tried searching but can’t find the info I’m after

 

does anyone know where or what is happening with explorer in nov 2023. It does a TA at the end of Oct arriving into Miami on Nov 11th, then seemingly nothing for 2 weeks until a 6-day western departing Nov 25th ….

[Biker19]

13 hours ago, RedDevil said:

does anyone know where or what is happening with explorer in nov 2023?

Short breaks in the schedule usually mean a charter.