Covid quarantine on the Apex

[Lastdance]

14 minutes ago, Ex-Airbalancer said:

Hopefully Celebrity will offer you compensation quickly 

 

It has been over a month and we still have not heard from Celebrity 

 

That is quite discouraging, but hopefully, you will get your compensation in the near future.

[quicklabs]

19 minutes ago, TheWanderingViolet said:

What have they told you about disembarking? One in our party has been in isolatioi n others all negative but they havent given much info about whats next? A few positive passengers have said they would just board the plane and go home but how?? Id assume C is reporting who is positive to authorities so they can complete their isolation. We are scrambling to figure this ourselves for those affected. 

We have both completed our CDC isolation requirements.  I have my certification of recovery.  They have already picked up our red tagged bags and we will be escorted off the ship at 0830.  We are then free to do as we please.  No testing is required to return home.  We will board our flight as scheduled in a few days. 

[Firepath]

6 hours ago, carolina_yankee said:

 

Some doctors are advising patients to not use Paxlovid if their symptoms aren't severe. There is growing evidence of rebound COVID related to Paxlovid. It both happened to a friend of mine and to none other than Dr. Fauci. Another friend's doctor did prescribe Paxolovid for him but told him not get it filled unless his symptoms got worse. They never did so he recovered on his own.

 

That's the problem with COVID, last year's, last month's, even last week's protocols aren't necessarily appropriate to this week. 

 

With the regard to quarantine, I think the cruise lines might be best served by simply offering a quarantine cabin rather than requiring it. I can see in the case for separate cabins in the case of negative-testing partner, but it should be personal choice.

It was a “miracle” drug for me.

[Firepath]

6 hours ago, carolina_yankee said:

 

Some doctors are advising patients to not use Paxlovid if their symptoms aren't severe. There is growing evidence of rebound COVID related to Paxlovid. It both happened to a friend of mine and to none other than Dr. Fauci. Another friend's doctor did prescribe Paxolovid for him but told him not get it filled unless his symptoms got worse. They never did so he recovered on his own.

 

That's the problem with COVID, last year's, last month's, even last week's protocols aren't necessarily appropriate to this week. 

 

With the regard to quarantine, I think the cruise lines might be best served by simply offering a quarantine cabin rather than requiring it. I can see in the case for separate cabins in the case of negative-testing partner, but it should be personal choice.

It was a “miracle” drug for me.

[Firepath]

6 hours ago, carolina_yankee said:

 

Some doctors are advising patients to not use Paxlovid if their symptoms aren't severe. There is growing evidence of rebound COVID related to Paxlovid. It both happened to a friend of mine and to none other than Dr. Fauci. Another friend's doctor did prescribe Paxolovid for him but told him not get it filled unless his symptoms got worse. They never did so he recovered on his own.

 

That's the problem with COVID, last year's, last month's, even last week's protocols aren't necessarily appropriate to this week. 

 

With the regard to quarantine, I think the cruise lines might be best served by simply offering a quarantine cabin rather than requiring it. I can see in the case for separate cabins in the case of negative-testing partner, but it should be personal choice.

It was a “miracle” drug for me.

[carolina_yankee]

2 minutes ago, Firepath said:

It was a “miracle” drug for me.

That’s wonderful! It may depend on how severe the symptoms are, which is why it might not be a good idea for somebody to have a “just in case” prescription with them without a doctor advising if the symptoms really warrant taking Paxlovid.

 

As always, though, follow the advice of a real doctor and not some stranger on the internet!

[hottro]

1 hour ago, TheWanderingViolet said:

What have they told you about disembarking? One in our party has been in isolation others all negative but they havent given much info about whats next? A few positive passengers have said they would just board the plane and go home but how?? Id assume C is reporting who is positive to authorities so they can complete their isolation. We are scrambling to figure this ourselves for those affected. 

We were not reported to any authorities after we left the quarantine cabin and disembarked from the ship.

[calicakes]

On 7/6/2022 at 11:28 AM, Provence55always said:

Sounds like you are struggling….keep strong you did the right thing reporting but sorry Celebrity did not leave you in your original room can’t understand that as who else could have used that room in the middle of a cruise. Hope this does not put you off cruising in the future. Wishing you all the best for the future.

I believe the logic of moving positive guests is to locate them close to infirmary and keep all cases on one deck.  I'm saying this right now, if either my wife or I test positive on our cruise in September, I'm not reporting. 

[drarill]

7 hours ago, carolina_yankee said:

 

Some doctors are advising patients to not use Paxlovid if their symptoms aren't severe. There is growing evidence of rebound COVID related to Paxlovid. It both happened to a friend of mine and to none other than Dr. Fauci. Another friend's doctor did prescribe Paxolovid for him but told him not get it filled unless his symptoms got worse. They never did so he recovered on his own.

 

That's the problem with COVID, last year's, last month's, even last week's protocols aren't necessarily appropriate to this week. 

 

With the regard to quarantine, I think the cruise lines might be best served by simply offering a quarantine cabin rather than requiring it. I can see in the case for separate cabins in the case of negative-testing partner, but it should be personal choice.

Patients are supposed to start Paxlovid within five days from symptoms onset, you shouldn't  wait until your symptoms get worse.  Paxlovid stops the replication of the virus, and is the best tool we have right now to avoid being hospitalized.  Besides that, COVID is not a cold, COVID is an inflammatory disease with serious cardiovascular and neurological sequelae.  If there is a drug that will stop the replication of the virus in my body, I'll take it! BTW, I already took it after getting infected on the Edge.

About the rebound, on the original Paxlovid studies, this "rebound" was also seen on patients taking the placebo. This phenomenon is called COVID rebound and  has  been seen in patients that didn't take Paxlovid.  As a matter of fact, it happened to a good friend of mine, a doctor, that got infected back in December 2021.  A week after testing negative he was feeling better, decided to play some tennis and all the symptoms came back with a vengeance.  If you want to read a little bit more about the topic, here are some links.  

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o1365

 

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/study-finds-few-covid-19-patients-get-rebound-symptoms-after-paxlovid-treatment/

 

[chamima]

5 hours ago, calicakes said:

I believe the logic of moving positive guests is to locate them close to infirmary and keep all cases on one deck.  I'm saying this right now, if either my wife or I test positive on our cruise in September, I'm not reporting. 

 

After reading stories like quicklab's I understand but I hope you'll at least quarantine yourself in your cabin and not just walk around the ship.

[calicakes]

11 hours ago, chamima said:

 

After reading stories like quicklab's I understand but I hope you'll at least quarantine yourself in your cabin and not just walk around the ship.

Of course. 

[Whinenowine]

20 hours ago, quicklabs said:

I am a retired Air Force officer.   The concepts of integrity and service to others above self  were drummed into me every day of my 24 year long career.  Well, in the civilian world, that just made me and my husband two very  big saps.  

 

At the end of the day you have to live with yourself.  As the Bard said "above all else, to thine own self be true".  Those others who blatantly broke the social contact may be selfish enough to do as they please today, but in the long run I'd like to think that karma catches up--both good and bad.

 

And btw--thanks for your service.

[Gracie115]

I took Paxlovid after a recent bout with Covid.  I'm sure it helped me recover and have not had a rebound but the godawful taste it left in my mouth for the entire time I was on it and for many days afterward has made me wonder if I would do so again.  I know I would wait until Day 4 before making the decision.   I would rather have had the "no taste" symptom that Covid can cause then this horrible taste.  It IS one of the possible side effects, supposedly only 6% get it but every person I know that has taken it has experienced this symptom...... nasty is everyone's description.

 

 

[hrhdhd]

20 hours ago, Whinenowine said:

 

At the end of the day you have to live with yourself.  As the Bard said "above all else, to thine own self be true".  Those others who blatantly broke the social contact may be selfish enough to do as they please today, but in the long run I'd like to think that karma catches up--both good and bad.

 

Not to get too far off topic, but the Bard put those words in the mouth of Polonius, a man who spied on his own children and essentially caused his daughter to commit suicide. Not sure I'd take them without a grain of salt. 😉

[vwlmember]

On 7/6/2022 at 12:26 PM, Lastdance said:

So sorry you got big C.  Even if your symptoms are mild it is still a shame that you and your DH cannot stay on your CS.  I am bringing Paxlovid onboard, hoping that I might escape the dungeon earlier if infected; however, no guarantee of that.  It is the chance we all have to take to cruise.  Do you have any idea how you might have caught it?  

 

Thank you for sharing!

 

Paxlovid will not help you get out earlier. It may actually extend your quarantine period. It is a five day regimen that needs to be fully completed to be effective. Even then some people are experiencing what is called Paxlovid rebound. A process in which you feel better, possibly test negative, and then the symptoms return within 24-72 hours along with testing positive again. Ask me how I know!  Took it for the five days. Felt great, tested negative, but by 6PM that night I felt the symptoms return, had a fever of 101F and tested positive again.  Paxlovid is ineffective if you have a high viral load. It suppresses the virus but it then returns once the Paxlovid wears off. I finished the regimen on Sunday morning, tested negative on Tuesday morning and was positive again that evening. The symptoms lasted for two more days. I tested negative again on Friday morning. 

 

An added bonus is that Paxlovid activates tastebuds that are normally not in use. It makes your saliva taste rancid for the entire five day regimen. Everything you eat or drink tastes literally like poop. 👍 Consumed a lot of Altoids!

 

Dr Fauci just experienced Paxlovid rebound and had to start a second round of Paxlovid due to the high risk associated with his age. 

[Gracie115]

8 minutes ago, vwlmember said:

 

 

An added bonus is that Paxlovid activates tastebuds that are normally not in use. It makes your saliva taste rancid for the entire five day regimen. Everything you eat or drink tastes literally like poop. 👍 Consumed a lot of Altoids!

 

 

Amen to that....  I opted for sugar free Jolly Ranchers...went through an entire bag...  thankfully had no rebound.

[canderson]

There were also those in the trial who received the placebo who experienced rebound.  It's not a unique function of having taken Paxlovid.

 

The rancid taste issue, OTOH, is a definite downside for about 6% of patients.

 

[Gracie115]

1 minute ago, canderson said:

 

 

The rancid taste issue, OTOH, is a definite downside for about 6% of patients.

 

 

No way it's only 6%...........  that may have been in a trial but now that it's out for regular use that number has to be higher, I know at least a half dozen people who have tried it and ALL reported that godawful taste.

[Barwick Cruiser]

If everything tastes like poop when taking Paxlovid what do the altoids and jolly rancher candy taste like? Just curious 🧐 

[vwlmember]

3 minutes ago, Barwick Cruiser said:

If everything tastes like poop when taking Paxlovid what do the altoids and jolly rancher candy taste like? Just curious 🧐 

Good for about 0.00000001 second. Then poop. 

[Gracie115]

2 minutes ago, Barwick Cruiser said:

If everything tastes like poop when taking Paxlovid what do the altoids and jolly rancher candy taste like? Just curious 🧐 

 

It seemed to me that "sweet" things tasted more normal while eating them, like popsicles, fruit etc. and the Jolly Ranchers worked the same.....as long as each lasted.... the nasty taste came back almost immediately after finishing one.... hence my consuming nearly an entire bag of them.

 

I also brushed my teeth at least a half dozen times a day to get the rid of the taste for a few minutes.

[Barwick Cruiser]

10 minutes ago, Gracie115 said:

 

It seemed to me that "sweet" things tasted more normal while eating them, like popsicles, fruit etc. and the Jolly Ranchers worked the same.....as long as each lasted.... the nasty taste came back almost immediately after finishing one.... hence my consuming nearly an entire bag of them.

 

I also brushed my teeth at least a half dozen times a day to get the rid of the taste for a few minutes.

That sounds horrible, I can see I’d lose some weight on that med, maybe the silver lining lol

[Gracie115]

1 hour ago, Barwick Cruiser said:

That sounds horrible, I can see I’d lose some weight on that med, maybe the silver lining lol

Yep, that's the "upside" of it for sure!!!😀

[lexmiller]

On 7/6/2022 at 12:00 PM, RichYak said:

2020 logic is being applied to a 2022 illness.

Simply but perfectly expressed.  

[carolina_yankee]

Doctors are clamoring for more clarity on Paxlovid prescribing amid Covid-19 rebound concerns

 

 

Since I introduced the question of Paxlovid Rebound earlier in the thread, the above link goes into greater detail. I know some people are bringing Paxlovid along just in case and there is growing evidence that it might not be advantageous in some cases. As with everything COVID, consult your doctor, but this points to questions to ask.

 

 

Edited July 9, 2022 by carolina_yankee