Minors losing their Diamond status…

[LobsterStalker]

1 hour ago, Ret MP said:

Once again, what does this mean:

 

"A Crown & Anchor Society member can be added into a relationship with other family members in the same household and receive equivalent tier status;  However, cruise points will remain according to actual cruises taken and calculated using the Program level accrual system described above".

I can jump to the "other side " for a moment to tell you what this means . It means exactly as you think it means .( Cruise Points clearly will remain the same) But you are not acknowledging that 'cruise points' and 'tier status'  could be 2 different things. 

This whole debate is not about Cruise Points 

It is about Tier Status

 

 

[LobsterStalker]

38 minutes ago, fredmdcruisers said:

Promise?

Lol

[LobsterStalker]

33 minutes ago, The Fun Researcher said:

You do realize that you are interpreting the policy one way, and that there is also another accurate way to interpret it? (which happens to be the way Royal is practicing the language of their policy.)

 

The language is vague enough that your interpretation could be correct, but it's not the interpretation that Royal is following.  It's Royal's fault for making the language open for multiple interpretations.

Agreed

Which leads to a comment I made earlier that if they so choose , they (could) gradually start changing the way they implement the policy to suit their needs .

And despite what someone replied to the contrary , that 'would' be a lot easier for them to  get away with than an all out policy change to an issue as big as this .

 

Cheers

[John&LaLa]

On 3/28/2023 at 7:25 PM, Husky1987 said:

People who live in Florida who can sail on at any time and rack up nights on cheap last minute cruises.

 

 

Don't leave out these states😉

 

NJ, TX, CA

 

Or England, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Australia, China, Singapore, etc....

[John&LaLa]

On 3/29/2023 at 2:55 AM, gkbiiii said:

You know, there is a recent child, who earned Pinnacle on his own.  Also, most cruise/airline/hotel loyalty programs, reward top spenders in their program.  Here are some key ideas.

Casino customers, should earn 2X-4X points for bookings.

Suites & singles pay way more and deserve their current points if not more.

Onboard spending, should count for points, plus casino spend.

Insiders, should make less points, as with NCL, MSC, Costa and others!

Special catered events for Diamond and above.

Emerald & above should get 150% single supplements.

Emerald should get 1 drink a day.

 

How about points for comped casino cruises?

 

And you want to give them double🤔

[John&LaLa]

On 3/29/2023 at 2:56 AM, Another_Critic said:

Balcony discount (and senior, military, etc. discounts) are based on anyone in the cabin.  Only one person has to qualify for the discount to be applied.

 

FWIW, Senior and military discounts are rare. Same as residency 

[RedIguana]

2 hours ago, nolimits said:

27 of our children are all D prior to turning 18 with less than required pts.

How in the Wide World of Sports did you manage that many cruises and have 27 kids?

[John&LaLa]

On 3/29/2023 at 11:53 AM, S.A.M.J.R. said:

Aside from people travelling for business, I disagree with your theory.  Few families are flying more than once or twice a year.  Assume each RT flight is four segments (assuming a connection needed), and you're still looking at eight segments a year.  For Delta, it takes 30 segments in a year to get to their "Silver" status.  That would be eight trips.  You REALLY think people are flying that many times in a year? 

 

I don't believe connecting flights count as 'segments' 

[S.A.M.J.R.]

5 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

I don't believe connecting flights count as 'segments' 

They do for Delta (JFK>ATL and ATL>MCO = 2 segments).  To "step up", you need to satisfy two "buckets"

 

Bucket 1

Miles OR Segments 

 

Bucket 2

Dollars Spent on Airfare OR Dollars Spent with Branded Card.

Edited March 30, 2023 by S.A.M.J.R.

[The Sunset Glow]

24 minutes ago, twangster said:

 

Agreed.

 

My kids have no loyalty to Royal.  They are now young adults paying for their own cruises.  They missed out on a Royal dependent match so it is what it is and Carnival gets the business.  On their limited budgets price is huge for them.  With nothing tilting the table in Royal's direction Royal doesn't look appealing to the young early career types with no status or free drinks in the equation.  

 

Young adults early in careers have limited time off so it's not like these are frequent cruisers consuming seats in Diamond lounges or frequently consuming CAS benefits at a high cost to the company.    Right before this age group is getting ready to start spending their own hard earned money is not a great time to demote and snub this age group.  In a few years time they will remember and they will book other cruise lines.  Letting them keep their status as they enter a phase when they will be cruising infrequently doesn't seem like it costs the company much at all.    Later in life as they vacation more with their own kids reaching the cruising age it would be much better to have them locked into Royal.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

100% agree with this. My kids are now 19 & 20 and attending school. They have been D+ for years with our status match but are D on their own points. They are aready talking about cruising when they are finished school and head out on their own and Royal would be their choice - partly because of the D+ status and benefits.

 

Diamond benefits are good too, but I'm not sure that, if Royal demoted them, they would stick with them. The feeling of be demoted and losing benefits they've had for years would definitely have them looking at other lines and price shopping. I think it's smart on Royal's part to let them keep the status and, therefore, keep their loyalty and money with Royal Caribbean.

[S.A.M.J.R.]

3 minutes ago, The Sunset Glow said:

 

100% agree with this. My kids are now 19 & 20 and attending school. They have been D+ for years with our status match but are D on their own points. They are aready talking about cruising when they are finished school and head out on their own and Royal would be their choice - partly because of the D+ status and benefits.

 

Diamond benefits are good too, but I'm not sure that, if Royal demoted them, they would stick with them. The feeling of be demoted and losing benefits they've had for years would definitely have them looking at other lines and price shopping. I think it's smart on Royal's part to let them keep the status and, therefore, keep their loyalty and money with Royal Caribbean.

I don't think anyone is arguing whether it's "smart" on Royal's part.  Royal is in charge of the program and can manage it how they want. People are discussing whether it's "fair" (in their opinion of course).  

[John&LaLa]

13 hours ago, nolimits said:

But the person with less can’t move to pinnacle till they  catch up to D+ # nts then on to pinnacle   

 

Definetely not true. I made Pinnacle in 2017 with just over 350 actual points.

 

Now I have close to 900

 

Personally, I'd love to earn status seperately from Laura at this point. I'd earn about two free cruise certificates with my current bookings😉

[Husky1987]

8 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

I don't believe connecting flights count as 'segments' 

On some airlines they do.  I commuted between Seattle and Boise almost weekly for 10 years on Alaska.  Their tiers are based on miles or segments.  It's hard to rack up miles 500 at a time but if I was close to getting MVP Gold 75K in December I'd fly through Portland going both ways so I could count four segments instead of two.  

 

Yes, I TOOK ADVANTAGE of the system 😉

[Seville2Cabo]

3 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Yes, Royal does seem to be quite good at having policies that are not crystal clear.

You mean like “shorts are welcomed in the MDR for breakfast and lunch “?

[John&LaLa]

2 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:

It’s crazy, but some divorce lawyers I know have said things rise to the top that one would never expect during proceedings.  Cars, sports tickets, and in your case airline status. Sorry you had to go through this, but the judge clearly laid down the law. 

 

It’s happened with the Toronto Maple Leafs who have season ticket holders. These tickets are hard to come by and a jilted spouse might want to take away any pleasure of their ex, even if they are just going to turn them in. 

 

A buddy of mine lost his Masters ticket rights in a divorce

[John&LaLa]

2 hours ago, Ret MP said:

Post whoring isn't name calling?

 

I think it's a verb

[John&LaLa]

1 hour ago, OACAggie said:

This is exactly how I understand it to work and how it worked with our son when he turned 18 last year. He kept his diamond status but reverted to his earned 54 points. 
 

Ken, does it make a difference when the child last sailed with parents? I thought it did. Example, if child sails with parents once when they are emerald so kid becomes emerald too(kid has say 10 points) and doesn’t sail again with parents until after 18 but the parents sailed enough without child and made it to diamond before they turned 18, kid would not keep diamond status? They would only be emerald with 10 points? 
 

*long winded example I know!

 

Edited to add…Ken, you don’t need to reply. Posted before I read you are done replying. 🙂

 

We never really had to deal with this.

 

Our kids only sailed Royal once before we hit Diamond, D+, and then Pinnacle. 

 

So they were always Gold.

 

Youngest son is now Emerald working on 'that Diamond Life'

 

Now his wife and son are taking advantage of his Emerald status, and they'll all be Diamond soon enough

[Ret MP]

51 minutes ago, LobsterStalker said:

I can jump to the "other side " for a moment to tell you what this means . It means exactly as you think it means .( Cruise Points clearly will remain the same) But you are not acknowledging that 'cruise points' and 'tier status'  could be 2 different things. 

This whole debate is not about Cruise Points 

It is about Tier Status

 

 

Okay, someone that tried to answer.

 

You are misunderstanding what I've been saying all along.  That is exactly what I'm saying, Points and Tier/Status aren't the same.  They are two different things.  The policy under "YOUTH BENEFITS" doesn't say one word about "CRUISE POINTS".  Under "GENERAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS" it does. Two separate paragraphs, one explains the Youth Status benefits and the other articulates the "Cruise Points" and how they are handled.  Again, this is only a debate, at least as far as I'm concerned, about RCCL's written policy.  Not how it is applied, instituted, or whatever.  

[John&LaLa]

1 hour ago, OACAggie said:

It isn’t listed anywhere. But it is correct based on how it has worked with my family. 

 

Based on chatter here and on FB, I'd say this is accurate 99% of the time

 

But just a guess

Edited March 30, 2023 by John&LaLa

[dwp10mm]

12 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

A buddy of mine lost his Masters ticket rights in a divorce

That one hurts.  Should have tried harder to make it work.  Only one ever visit for me to Augusta.  Maybe I will hit the lottery again some day.

[Ret MP]

9 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

I think it's a verb

And before texting was a thing, text was a noun.  If I post a lot, am I considered a whore?  That's offensive to some.  I've got thick skin.  However, I will point out the wrongs when I see them.  I don't care how you or anybody else justifies it, it doesn't belong here.  

[John&LaLa]

1 hour ago, Ret MP said:

Okay, I'm going to say this one last time, I just can't say it any more clearly.  Points are earned,  not granted.  I'll add, C&A points, not relationship points.  Tier/status is granted based upon relationship.  Tier/status, after 18 is based upon points earned points, not what the parents earned pre-18, not relationships.  

 

Again, if someone comes up with a RCCL policy, written, that says differently, I'll be humble.  This has, for the most part, been a very cordial discussion and I haven't not been disagreeable just to disagree.  I've not name called or made false accusations.  I'm only pointing out, by cut and paste, exactly what the policy says.  I'l be monitoring but I'm done unless someone provides provable evidence that the policy that I've quoted is in contravention of other written RCCL policies.

 

I do not have 1619 C&A points 😉

 

But I do have 1619 Relationship points.

Royal shows this on both app and Website

 

This number will continue to grow with every cruise my wife takes. It will not grow when she flies home from LA in February 2024 and I continue on for the next 7 months. Bummer

 

[Mom*3]

I noticed this thread the other day, but didn’t really think it applied to me. We are only Emerald and my 3 children are already adults, the youngest is 21. (All 3 are still in college, oldest 2 are in grad school.) Our cruises have all been family cruises, so my husband, 2 daughters and I, all have the same number of points. But, my oldest has missed a couple of cruises since he has had a slightly different academic calendar. But, we recently received a postcard mailer addressed to him, that said “Emerald Member”. He was definitely older than 18 when we became Emerald and he hasn’t cruised since then. So, the system is definitely not keeping track of that information. But, I do wonder if he will be demoted the next time he cruises. Not, that it really matters, Emerald doesn’t have any real benefits. Just curiosity, really. 

[dwp10mm]

Can't help others with this thread.  I tried to hit Diamond before my youngest turned 18.  But covid had other ideas and our 6 night on Independence in 2021 was cancelled.  But with the lift/shift to Odyssey in 2022 at least they got double points on that one while my wife and I moved on to Diamond in our JS.  Both of my boys are now just 15 nights away from Diamond.  All actual points they have earned.  We took them on their first cruise in 2010 and they are hooked.  So much so they now want to take their girlfriends on a cruise.  So the loyalty does work.  Agree with others it should not reset like airlines.  I've held a Delta status since 2009.  I do work hard to keep that.  But vacations are not the same and they can't follow that model.

Edited March 30, 2023 by dwp10mm

[Another_Critic]

43 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

FWIW, Senior and military discounts are rare. Same as residency 

Yes, rare, but I got a small senior discount on a cheap transatlantic. I actually get residency discounts fairly often.