Pratique Posted June 17, 2023 #126 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: They have been doing that with every new ship built. As they build more large ships it actually gets easier for them as they have more ships and more staff to draw from. They are still rebuilding from the pandemic shutdown. I think they lost a lot of experienced folks. Whatever the reason this guy with 10 years experience seemed concerned. Edited June 17, 2023 by Pratique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 17, 2023 #127 Share Posted June 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, Pratique said: IMHO Royal is not interested in the small cruise ship market. They will leave that to lines like Margaritaville at Sea. Royal is shooting for the moon on the megaships and the handful of itineraries that they can sail at full capacity year round. RC is focused near term on big amusement parks at sea, sure. But there is still a smaller ship market, especially as some ports start to limit big ships, plus those that already do. Plus there's been enough rumor about a new smaller class in the future that something's definitely up, especially as Vision and Voyager ships start to be cost prohibitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 17, 2023 #128 Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pratique said: They are still rebuilding from the pandemic shutdown. I think they lost a lot of experienced folks. Whatever the reason this guy with 10 years experience seemed concerned. They absolutely did loses lot of people had years of experience however they have been building their staffing levels back-up over the past year. While their is a learning curve to these positions for most of them once staff have completed a full contract they will be pretty much up to speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 17, 2023 #129 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, smokeybandit said: RC is focused near term on big amusement parks at sea, sure. But there is still a smaller ship market, especially as some ports start to limit big ships, plus those that already do. Plus there's been enough rumor about a new smaller class in the future that something's definitely up, especially as Vision and Voyager ships start to be cost prohibitive. Royal will definitely build smaller ships in the future. The only thing is that the smaller ships may not be as small as some would like them to be. Royal eventually will have its smallest at somewhere between 130k and 140k tons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 17, 2023 #130 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Just now, Ourusualbeach said: Royal will definitely build smaller ships in the future. The only thing is that the smaller ships may not be as small as some would like them to be. Royal eventually will have its smallest at somewhere between 130k and 140k tons Agreed. I'd imagine they'd want to keep any new ship, no matter the size, with as similar of an experience to Oasis+ as possible. Can't do that at 70k or 90k GT like Vision/Radiance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted June 17, 2023 #131 Share Posted June 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: Agreed. I'd imagine they'd want to keep any new ship, no matter the size, with as similar of an experience to Oasis+ as possible. Can't do that at 70k or 90k GT like Vision/Radiance. Maybe I’m not thinking creatively enough but I wonder how they could get a mega ship experience in a midsize ship. Or if that even makes sense? These ships with the outdoor venues really only work in warm climates and quite frankly people who prefer a smaller ship don’t like the mega ship experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted June 17, 2023 #132 Share Posted June 17, 2023 59 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: Royal will definitely build smaller ships in the future. The only thing is that the smaller ships may not be as small as some would like them to be. Royal eventually will have its smallest at somewhere between 130k and 140k tons Why wouldn’t they just use Celebrity as the platform for this? It seems more logical to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 17, 2023 #133 Share Posted June 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Pratique said: Maybe I’m not thinking creatively enough but I wonder how they could get a mega ship experience in a midsize ship. Or if that even makes sense? These ships with the outdoor venues really only work in warm climates and quite frankly people who prefer a smaller ship don’t like the mega ship experience. You could offer a scaled down version of offerings of an Oasis ship on a Voyager ship. You couldn't do it on a smaller ship like Vision/Radiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Vickie Posted June 17, 2023 #134 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, The Fun Researcher said: Celebrity S class really are beauties. My only grip is the centrums rather than a Royal Promanade. It just makes the interior chopped up with no grand space like the Promenades get you. Having said that, LOVE so many other things on those ships. Sunset bar, the lawn area, the gorgeous dining room, Sushi on 5, the indoor pool and hot tubs, the outside focus and connection to the sea, I could go on and on... I prefer the centrum to the Royal Promenade. We’ve been on only one ship with the promenade, Adventure, years ago. I felt like once I boarded the ship the only place I could see the sea from was my balcony. It was way too interior-oriented. And at the time they allowed smoking in some of the venues in the promenade, meaning the whole thing smelled of smoke. I don’t know if that has changed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 17, 2023 #135 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Pratique said: IMHO Royal is not interested in the small cruise ship market. They will leave that to lines like Margaritaville at Sea Margaritas at Sea is not a real cruise line 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 17, 2023 #136 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Margaritas at Sea is not a real cruise line It's a party bus that floats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 17, 2023 #137 Share Posted June 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Pratique said: Why wouldn’t they just use Celebrity as the platform for this? It seems more logical to me. Not everyone likes the Celebrity experience. Celebrity doesn't cater to kids and multi generational families like Royal does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 17, 2023 #138 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, smokeybandit said: It's a party bus that floats. Are they still offering the unlimited cruising pkg? Neighbors sailed them this winter and hated it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 17, 2023 #139 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Are they still offering the unlimited cruising pkg? Neighbors sailed them this winter and hated it Still 76 unlimited passes available, so you can still get yours! https://pass.margaritavilleatsea.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted June 17, 2023 #140 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: Not everyone likes the Celebrity experience. Celebrity doesn't cater to kids and multi generational families like Royal does. Okay then, do kids and multigenerational families want a smaller ship? Where is the market for Royal to do that and be distinctive from NCL etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 17, 2023 #141 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Just now, Pratique said: Okay then, do kids and multigenerational families want a smaller ship? Where is the market for Royal to do that and be distinctive from NCL etc.? We are talking Voyager class size. Lots to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted June 17, 2023 #142 Share Posted June 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Are they still offering the unlimited cruising pkg? Neighbors sailed them this winter and hated it Your neighbors probably didn’t have enough to drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted June 17, 2023 #143 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Ourusualbeach said: We are talking Voyager class size. Lots to do. Yes but why would Royal want to build smaller ships if the big ones are doing so well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 17, 2023 #144 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: We are talking Voyager class size. Lots to do. I'm one of those cruisers who cruises with families who prefers Voyager/Freedom class. And I know I'm not alone just based on who I see on board those ships. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackham Posted June 17, 2023 #145 Share Posted June 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, Pratique said: Maybe I’m not thinking creatively enough but I wonder how they could get a mega ship experience in a midsize ship. Or if that even makes sense? These ships with the outdoor venues really only work in warm climates and quite frankly people who prefer a smaller ship don’t like the mega ship experience. With the "Project Discovery" moniker, I'm anticipating it'll be something of a Quantum meets Radiance in the handy neo-Panamax size. Though with the rumors of Icon originally being smaller than Oasis, then it went big as more and more ideas came together, I wonder how much of Icon-style might be a part of a new ship class? The Aquadome? A Royal Promenade with ocean views? Deck space in a similar vein to Surfside on the topside? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 17, 2023 #146 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Pratique said: Your neighbors probably didn’t have enough to drink. No, pretty much all they did Complaints were food, accommodations, and lack of a true Margaritaville theme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-leg5 Posted June 17, 2023 #147 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Miss Vickie said: I prefer the centrum to the Royal Promenade. We’ve been on only one ship with the promenade, Adventure, years ago. I felt like once I boarded the ship the only place I could see the sea from was my balcony. It was way too interior-oriented. And at the time they allowed smoking in some of the venues in the promenade, meaning the whole thing smelled of smoke. I don’t know if that has changed. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted June 17, 2023 #148 Share Posted June 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: No, pretty much all they did Complaints were food, accommodations, and lack of a true Margaritaville theme One must have low expectations and then use the booze to lower them even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 17, 2023 #149 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Pratique said: Yes but why would Royal want to build smaller ships if the big ones are doing so well? Because they can do a whole lot more itineraries than Oasis class can. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Hudson Posted June 18, 2023 #150 Share Posted June 18, 2023 We do not need the “amusement park at sea” experience but we don’t mind sailing on them. I would think that all cruise lines will continue to need a few smaller ships to continue sailing to ports that can’t handle the “big girls”. I also am questioning —maybe it’s rumor — that some ports that may be closing to ships (think Bar Harbor, Key West) because of the increased size of ships. Hope any new build will have retractable stacks for ports with lower bridges. My two cents. Katherine 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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