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I posted this in the Italy forum, but wanted input from MSC specialist as well.

 

We have never been to Europe and I've always wanted to visit Italy.  We have a 9 night booked with Celebrity in the retreat with an awesome itinerary for next summer.  Here's the itinerary:

 

Barcelona

At sea

Marseille

Villefranche

Santa Margherita

La Spezia (2 days!)

At sea

Naples

Rome

 

It's on the Equinox, so the retreat sundeck does not have a pool, which is someplace we would spend a lot of time on our sea days.

 

As most of you in here already know, I recently booked our first MSC cruise.  I've read so many wonderful things about their Yacht Club so we're super excited to give them a try.  We have high hopes!  It made us wonder how much we could save if we switched from X to MSC for Europe next summer and it's quite a lot.  If we love it while we're on ship, we could go ahead and book.  Here's what I have found that looks good to us (these are all 7 days, compared to 9 with Celebrity so it's not apples to apples, but still cheaper per day):

 

MSC Seaview - Love the price and round trip from Rome, which is one of my must sees! (4K less than Celebrity!)

Rome

at sea

Palma De Mallorca (I know nothing about this port!)

Barcelona

Cannes

Genoa (Portofino)

La Spezia

Rome

 

MSC Europa - I've heard great things about this ship!  (Apx. $3500 less than Celebrity)

Naples (Pompeii) - Another good place to be.

Messina ( I don't know anything about this port)

La Valletta, Malta

at sea

Barcelona

Marseille

Genoa (Portofino)

Naples

 

MSC Europa - Just getting on in Portofino instead of Naples (Price same as above)

Gena (Portofino)

Naples

Messina

La Valletta, Malta

At sea

Barcelona

Marseille

Genoa (Portofino)

 

Are the MSC itineraries as good?  I have already researched for the Celebrity cruise, but have plenty of time to research some different ports.  The places I want to see most are Rome, Venice, Florence, and the Amalfi Coast.  I realize Venice isn't near the other places.  My thinking is with a shorter cruise, which is also less expensive, that would give us more time and money to see other places pre and/or post cruise.  Would one of the MSC itineraries be any better than the other, especially as a starting point?  For instance, for flying in and out of Italy (especially flight prices), and traveling by train to other areas of interest?  Is the Europa worth spending more on than the Seaview?  I see Rome would be closest to Venice, if we opted to take the train.

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I would wait until you complete your Seaside cruise to make a decision.  The Seaview and Seaside are pretty much the same ship, then you will know if you would like to sail that class again or even if you would like to sail MSC again.  Maybe you will want a different class and try the World Europa instead.  Or maybe MSC will not be a good fit and you will stick with Celebrity...If you have never been on a European Mediterranean cruise, I would say all the itineraries look great!

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21 minutes ago, deweytrader said:

I would wait until you complete your Seaside cruise to make a decision.  The Seaview and Seaside are pretty much the same ship, then you will know if you would like to sail that class again or even if you would like to sail MSC again.  Maybe you will want a different class and try the World Europa instead.  Or maybe MSC will not be a good fit and you will stick with Celebrity...If you have never been on a European Mediterranean cruise, I would say all the itineraries look great!

We are waiting until we cruise but want to have something picked out in case we decide to jump ship. 

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Most first time Europe cruisers prefer to see all the tourist sights. On the Celebrity cruise you are going to spend a lot of money on a port intensive cruise.  You’ll be spending as much time on land s you will at sea.  Is it worth that much if you are spending so much time onshore?  Will you be fully utilizing all the suite class benefits with a port intensive cruise?  The MSC Yacht Club makes sense.  You get to spend the extra money on more tourist destinations and you’ll be well cared for in the MSC YC.

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I'll just chime in on embarking from Genoa, especially since we are flying over from north America.  Genoa is a relatively small city, and flight options in and out of the city are rather limited.  In 2019, we flew to Milan and return from Genoa.  That was the most reasonably priced air routing.  We just booked our flights for our November cruise on World Europa embarking at Genoa, again.  This time we booked roundtrip to Milan, as flying into Genoa would be several hundreds more per person.  We are flying in a day early and will take the train to Genoa on embarkation day, then a private van back to Milan so we can maximize the time there before flying back to the US the next day.

 

That said...  Cinque Terre is a day trip from Genoa if you want to spend a few days pre- or post-cruise.  It's about an hour 20 minutes from Genoa by train.

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28 minutes ago, CGTNORMANDIE said:

Most first time Europe cruisers prefer to see all the tourist sights. On the Celebrity cruise you are going to spend a lot of money on a port intensive cruise.  You’ll be spending as much time on land s you will at sea.  Is it worth that much if you are spending so much time onshore?  Will you be fully utilizing all the suite class benefits with a port intensive cruise?  The MSC Yacht Club makes sense.  You get to spend the extra money on more tourist destinations and you’ll be well cared for in the MSC YC.

That’s an excellent point! 
 

27 minutes ago, Selion said:

I'll just chime in on embarking from Genoa, especially since we are flying over from north America.  Genoa is a relatively small city, and flight options in and out of the city are rather limited.  In 2019, we flew to Milan and return from Genoa.  That was the most reasonably priced air routing.  We just booked our flights for our November cruise on World Europa embarking at Genoa, again.  This time we booked roundtrip to Milan, as flying into Genoa would be several hundreds more per person.  We are flying in a day early and will take the train to Genoa on embarkation day, then a private van back to Milan so we can maximize the time there before flying back to the US the next day.

 

That said...  Cinque Terre is a day trip from Genoa if you want to spend a few days pre- or post-cruise.  It's about an hour 20 minutes from Genoa by train.

Looks like I should strike that one from our list. So the one from Rome, which would be a great place to spend a few days and very convenient to get other places we’d like to visit pre or post cruise. Or Naples, which would be convenient to Pompeii, the Amalfi Coast and Rome. Is the Europa superior to the Seaview or just newer and different?

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3 hours ago, NCteacherlovescruising said:

We have never been to Europe and I've always wanted to visit Italy. 

I offer 3 options:

 

1. A Celebrity Cruise:  If you are fairly sure you will not like Europeans, then take a celebrity cruise.  You can take photos of European places but be continually cocooned with fellow Americans and American culture/service/food/etc.

Coffee Example:  You can drink an iced latte with vanilla syrup anytime of the day.

 

2. A MSC cruise:  If you want a more immersed taster of European life, but with some familiarity to what you know then take a MSC cruise.  Americans will probably be less than 5% of the passengers, but all crew will be able to speak English and the service will be somewhat familiar.

Coffee Example:  You can drink a cappuccino any time of the day.

 

3. An Italian holiday:  If you want to experience Italy then take a flight to North Italy (e.g. Milan), travel down by train through different towns/cities and fly back from Sicily (e.g. Palermo).  Stay at a mix of luxury and cheap Italian hotels in big and small cities.   Not a lot will make sense.  In some restaurants you are meant to tell the waiter what you want to eat, but in others the waiter will tell you what to eat.  Eat lots of food and drink lots of wine.  Order antipasti, primi, secondo, dolci etc.  Visit vineyards, churches etc.  Communicate without words.  

Coffee Example:  Ordering a cappuccino after breakfast is valid reason to be refused service.

 

I recommend option 3, but my husband would certainly go for option 1 (and perhaps that is the more rational choice).

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4 minutes ago, 8420PR said:

I offer 3 options:

 

1. A Celebrity Cruise:  If you are fairly sure you will not like Europeans, then take a celebrity cruise.  You can take photos of European places but be continually cocooned with fellow Americans and American culture/service/food/etc.

Coffee Example:  You can drink an iced latte with vanilla syrup anytime of the day.

 

2. A MSC cruise:  If you want a more immersed taster of European life, but with some familiarity to what you know then take a MSC cruise.  Americans will probably be less than 5% of the passengers, but all crew will be able to speak English and the service will be somewhat familiar.

Coffee Example:  You can drink a cappuccino any time of the day.

 

3. An Italian holiday:  If you want to experience Italy then take a flight to North Italy (e.g. Milan), travel down by train through different towns/cities and fly back from Sicily (e.g. Palermo).  Stay at a mix of luxury and cheap Italian hotels in big and small cities.   Not a lot will make sense.  In some restaurants you are meant to tell the waiter what you want to eat, but in others the waiter will tell you what to eat.  Eat lots of food and drink lots of wine.  Order antipasti, primi, secondo, dolci etc.  Visit vineyards, churches etc.  Communicate without words.  

Coffee Example:  Ordering a cappuccino after breakfast is valid reason to be refused service.

 

I recommend option 3, but my husband would certainly go for option 1 (and perhaps that is the more rational choice).

While 3 could be absolutely amazing, I would be way too intimidated on our first trip to so that. 
 

Why wouldn’t I like European’s?  I assume this means on MSC the shows wouldn’t be in English so I wouldn’t understand anything. I hadn’t thought about that. 

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10 minutes ago, NCteacherlovescruising said:

While 3 could be absolutely amazing, I would be way too intimidated on our first trip to so that. 
 

Why wouldn’t I like European’s?  I assume this means on MSC the shows wouldn’t be in English so I wouldn’t understand anything. I hadn’t thought about that. 

MSC cruises are European with a wide variety of cultural & ethnic folks so they have to cater to a larger variety of customers.

 

We returned from a weeklong eastern Mediterranean MSC cruise and loved the evening theater shows - one night was a French revue, another night was an Italian opera comedy, and then one night was an US 1950 rock and roll show.  

 

Really impacted our kids (adults) that we took along and it opened their eyes & minds.

 

I was stunned by the number of smokers (compared to CA standards) and the non queue - cut in front of you Italians, Russians and Slaviks....

 

And still can't get over the UK gal having words with another Russian gal who cut in front of her at Guest Services.

Guest services supervisor and I were looking at each other unbelievably - UK gal speaking both English and Russian towards the Russian gal who cut.  

Almost a fist fight!

 

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9 hours ago, 4sallypat said:

 

We returned from a weeklong eastern Mediterranean MSC cruise and loved the evening theater shows - one night was a French revue, another night was an Italian opera comedy, and then one night was an US 1950 rock and roll show.  

 

Really impacted our kids (adults) that we took along and it opened their eyes & minds.

 

I was stunned by the number of smokers (compared to CA standards) and the non queue - cut in front of you Italians, Russians and Slaviks....

 

And still can't get over the UK gal having words with another Russian gal who cut in front of her at Guest Services.

Guest services supervisor and I were looking at each other unbelievably - UK gal speaking both English and Russian towards the Russian gal who cut.  

Almost a fist fight!

 

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So you enjoyed shows that were in a different language?  
 

They were cutting in line?  I can’t imagine that being on in any culture. I teach some Ukrainian students and they seem very sweet. Someone from guest services should have directed the lady that cut to the back of the line.  

8 hours ago, Tierun said:

Just remember that celebrity deposits are not refundable. That's been a hotly discussed topic on the X board.

It’s only $200, so not a factor since we would be saving so much. Not as much as it first appears once we deduct all the OBC we have with X and it’s 2 days longer. But those are two days we can spend on land not worrying about getting back to a ship on time. And my husband thinks I would love Malta.  

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13 hours ago, NCteacherlovescruising said:

Is the Europa superior to the Seaview or just newer and different?

It's definitely newer & different.  Haven't been on the Europa yet, so can't say if I'll like it.  Different cruisers prefer different things.  While I'm looking forward to the cruise, I'm not keen on the Super-Mega-Floating-Mall idea as a cruise ship.  Same reason why I haven't been on Royal's Oasis-class ships.  I'll know this November.

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4 minutes ago, Selion said:

It's definitely newer & different.  Haven't been on the Europa yet, so can't say if I'll like it.  Different cruisers prefer different things.  While I'm looking forward to the cruise, I'm not keen on the Super-Mega-Floating-Mall idea as a cruise ship.  Same reason why I haven't been on Royal's Oasis-class ships.  I'll know this November.

The Oasis of the Seas was my favorite ship!

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Our first MSC cruise was on the Seaview in May 2022 in YC round trip from Barcelona.  Our ports were Marseille, Genoa, Naples, Messina, Malta, While we have cruised on almost all the mainstream lines, we had favored Celebrity for several years pre pandemic. I had wanted to try YC for a while and our Seaview cruise was rescheduled from 2020.

 

The vibe was definitely different from Celebrity outside the YC enclave, but we loved the cruise. It was awesome to get back on the ship after a busy day of sightseeing and retreat to the peaceful YC pool deck or lounge away from the crowds in the rest of the ship. I find in Europe we cruise more for the itinerary than the ship and other than going to the shows we didn’t stray too far from the YC areas.  In fact on our last day, which was a sea day, we went exploring and discovered areas of the ship we hadn’t seen before!

 

English speakers were definitely in the minority, but we met an American couple who were traveling with their grandson (graduation trip) when we boarded, and we ended up eating dinner with them every night in the YC restaurant which was fun as we compared notes about our activities each day. 

 

We just completed our 3rd MSC cruise last week in YC with 12 family members. Had a fantastic time, love the YC product. Having said that, we have a cruise to Norway booked for September on the Virtuosa in gen pop which is giving me anxiety! I just couldn’t justify paying the price for YC on that cruise so hoping the itinerary makes up for roughing it! DH doesn’t want to do anything but YC now but has begrudgingly agreed to try just a balcony on Virtuosa (we sail in inside cabins in YC but they were sold out for Norway and the YC1 were 3x price of a regular balcony). We have two more YC cruises booked for November and January to get “our fix”!

 

For the cost savings alone you can’t go wrong with the YC over the Retreat in the Med. Having your own pool deck and everything in one area is awesome and you will really appreciate the YC level of service after a long day of sightseeing.


 

 

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2 hours ago, NCteacherlovescruising said:

So you enjoyed shows that were in a different language?  
 

They were cutting in line?  I can’t imagine that being on in any culture. I teach some Ukrainian students and they seem very sweet. Someone from guest services should have directed the lady that cut to the back of the line.  

It’s only $200, so not a factor since we would be saving so much. Not as much as it first appears once we deduct all the OBC we have with X and it’s 2 days longer. But those are two days we can spend on land not worrying about getting back to a ship on time. And my husband thinks I would love Malta.  

Yes, loved the international flair throughout the ship - all languages spoken - crew members boasted how many languages they spoke to assist cruisers - very much a worldly event.

 

Kids loved knowing other cultures, languages, styles, etc while onboard - it was much better than just traveling to one or 2 foreign countries whilst on holiday.

 

As shocking as it was to my kids, many do not queue - probably due to the way they were brought up in their culture / country.  

 

On board, I found: US, UK, AU/NZ, most Asians and some Europeans will queue.

 

We had to put up with so many (majority) will cut in front of you at the elevators - we ended up taking the stairs; jump in front of the buffet line - we ended up dining in the MDR; shoves you aside at port exits and excursion lines - we just wait at the end of the line to avoid these people.

 

Crew members have to put up with this all day, every day - they try to enforce civility, but at the end it's the customer that gets their way.....

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Immersion with the other cultures is quite a highlight with MSC, but you have to step outside your own cultural norms and be flexible.   And yes, as the others have pointed out, many other cultures ignore queuing.  It's fun talking to others though as long as your friendly.  My sister-in-law's husband is very outgoing, but only speaks English and has no international travel experience and he is having the time of his life here.  All the crew will know some English and are very helpful.  Now some of the border staff in the ports don't speak English, but most of the folks tourists interact with will speak English.

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We have done three turns around the Med hitting almost all of the ports on those itineraries. It would be hard for us to recommend one over the other, as both have one of our favorite ports each (Palma and Malta).

 

If seeing Rome is a big must do, I would probably recommend Seaview starting there. Civitavecchia is about a 40 ish minute train ride away, followed by a short walk if the port shuttle isn't running. The boarding process there was exceptionally smooth too.

Plus Roma Termini is a major hub for the regional trains, the state owned highspeed trains, as well the private Italo trains. If you take the extra time, Naples would only be about an hour by highspeed rail, and Venice is about three. We personally prefer Italo over TrenItalia, but both are great to get around the country with quickly.

 

Genoa (Portofino) will the large turnaround day for both ships, as Genoa is the homeport for MSC. Genoa is also a roughly hour and half train from Milan proper, which is about 2 1/2 hours to Venice and 45 mins to Milano Malpensa, the major airport out there.

 

As far as ships, if you end up liking the Seaside, Seaview will feel like home as they're practically identical sisters. Seaview is now the only Seaside class ship we haven't sailed, so it's on our radar to close out the class.

 

World Europa being so new, I can't speak too much about it. From what I have seen though, it looks great and very Oasis like. 

 

Shows will mostly be visual spectacles, with very little spoken word due to the melting pot of languages onboard. Announcements, while generally few and far between compared to American/Caribbean cruises will seem longer due to the fact that they are repeated 6/7 times in different languages. Queuing is hit or miss for sure. Italians and some of the Eastern Europeans are awful at it and will fill in any gap they see, some Asian groups seem to bunch up in places and block pathways regularly and then the English speakers stand in lines like we do. 

 

Overall, if you just remember that you're on vacation and experiencing something far from your norm and just adapt to it, you'll have a great time. Don't try to do everything as you'll get overwhelmed real quick, just make a few highlights and build in enough time to relax as well.

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So we did the second itinerary you listed and boarded in Naples. We flew into Naples (from Madrid) and spent the night at a hostel close to port. Anthony Bourdain referred to Naples as gritty and that was very true! I liked it and we had some amazing food and also pastries.  Like I mentioned in a different post, the boarding was different than we expected.  Don't show up early thinking you'll be able to board because the ship didn't even arrive in port until around 1:00 I think. They  aren't in a rush. Once checked in, we didn't wait in the lounge very long before being brought on board.

 

If Rome is important, I would actually plan to spend time there before or after your cruise if you can.

 

All of the other ports were amazing in different ways. In Messina we jumped on a train to Taormina, which is where they filmed the second White Lotus if you've seen that. Beautiful little town and we had some super yummy granita and gelato. They will probably offer this as an excursion through the ship and a bus ride. It was very doable on our own and I got great information on the port of call board.

 

Malta is incredible. We hired a cab right outside port and they have a person who helps you set it up and make payment and you are on your way. We basically toured the island and went to the Blue Grotto on a boat that brought us into some of the caves. So cool! We only saw Valetta briefly because we stopped for lunch. It was all great though!

 

Barcelona we hired a private 4 hr tour that is also in the port of call board and had another great day with tons of information from our guide. We saw Guell park and walked around for a bit and La Sagrada Familia, with a walk around and we didn't go in. 

 

Genoa, we did the hop on hop off, but that really wasn't necessary because everything is within walking distance. Many people will go to Portofino, but we just enjoyed Genoa and tried incredible focaccia and pesto.

 

Can't speak to Marseille because we were tired. There was a festival in town and we weren't feeling like being around a lot of crowds (still end of Covid) and tried to go to a restaurant. We took a cab and got dropped off, but found out the restaurant was either shut down or just not open and we were kind of in the middle of nowhere with no people around.  Fortunately, they have Uber and we just went back to ship!

 

Sorry that got long. With any of these ports, there is so much to see and to take in, you can't barely scratch the surface when stopping as part of a cruise. I could do the same itinerary again and be very satisfied.  I am in process of planning a six week European trip now (starting with our cruise out of Southampton) and it is very hard to limit where we go so we can give everything enough time!

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2 hours ago, mnpurple said:

So we did the second itinerary you listed and boarded in Naples. We flew into Naples (from Madrid) and spent the night at a hostel close to port. Anthony Bourdain referred to Naples as gritty and that was very true! I liked it and we had some amazing food and also pastries.  Like I mentioned in a different post, the boarding was different than we expected.  Don't show up early thinking you'll be able to board because the ship didn't even arrive in port until around 1:00 I think. They  aren't in a rush. Once checked in, we didn't wait in the lounge very long before being brought on board.

 

If Rome is important, I would actually plan to spend time there before or after your cruise if you can.

 

All of the other ports were amazing in different ways. In Messina we jumped on a train to Taormina, which is where they filmed the second White Lotus if you've seen that. Beautiful little town and we had some super yummy granita and gelato. They will probably offer this as an excursion through the ship and a bus ride. It was very doable on our own and I got great information on the port of call board.

 

Malta is incredible. We hired a cab right outside port and they have a person who helps you set it up and make payment and you are on your way. We basically toured the island and went to the Blue Grotto on a boat that brought us into some of the caves. So cool! We only saw Valetta briefly because we stopped for lunch. It was all great though!

 

Barcelona we hired a private 4 hr tour that is also in the port of call board and had another great day with tons of information from our guide. We saw Guell park and walked around for a bit and La Sagrada Familia, with a walk around and we didn't go in. 

 

Genoa, we did the hop on hop off, but that really wasn't necessary because everything is within walking distance. Many people will go to Portofino, but we just enjoyed Genoa and tried incredible focaccia and pesto.

 

Can't speak to Marseille because we were tired. There was a festival in town and we weren't feeling like being around a lot of crowds (still end of Covid) and tried to go to a restaurant. We took a cab and got dropped off, but found out the restaurant was either shut down or just not open and we were kind of in the middle of nowhere with no people around.  Fortunately, they have Uber and we just went back to ship!

 

Sorry that got long. With any of these ports, there is so much to see and to take in, you can't barely scratch the surface when stopping as part of a cruise. I could do the same itinerary again and be very satisfied.  I am in process of planning a six week European trip now (starting with our cruise out of Southampton) and it is very hard to limit where we go so we can give everything enough time!

Thanks for all the information!!  We are planning on spending 2-3 days in Rome and also visiting some or all of the following while we’re there: Florence, the Amalfi Coast and Venice. 

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We spent five days in Barcelona before our cruise, and the Sagrada Familia is a MUST do.  Absolutely incredible inside.  We also liked strolling down Las Ramblas at night and enjoying places to eat there along the way.   

 

The Pompeii archaeological site is extraordinary but is hot during the summer, otherwise Naples is a working city that had to be rebuilt after WW II due to bombing and the architecture is utilitarian.  St. John's in Malta and the fortress architecture there is wonderful.  Messina was ok from a 'place to go' perspective, but we enjoyed eating the local food during lunch there.   The Basilica Notre-Dame de la Guarde in Marseille provides nice scenic pictures of the area and is a good self excursion (we took the 9 euro/person 'Tourist Train' to the Basilica). 

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For what it’s worth, we were looking at X for Spring Break next year from Athens. Loved the itinerary…the non refundable deposit was more than an entire MSC cruise. We chose MSC. (Not apples to apples itinerary wise, but both include Egypt which my child wants to visit.)

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12 minutes ago, phred119s said:

For what it’s worth, we were looking at X for Spring Break next year from Athens. Loved the itinerary…the non refundable deposit was more than an entire MSC cruise. We chose MSC. (Not apples to apples itinerary wise, but both include Egypt which my child wants to visit.)

I do love the overnight in Livorno with Celebrity!  However, MSC seems like a much better value. Our cruise is a week from tomorrow. We will have to see if we like it well enough to book with them again. 

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Have to agree with those who pointed out that you likely won’t be on board ship enough to get the full benefit to cost ratio on the Celebrity itinerary.

 

You really can’t go wrong with any of the MSC itineraries. I suggest you do a mock flight booking to some of the nearest embarkation ports just to get a feel for airfare cost. My research has resulted in finding much cheaper rates to fly to/from Rome than say Venice or Genoa. 
 

We are also considering MSC for our next Med cruise and this thread is timely. Thank you!

 

PS.. I absolutely love how excited your are for your cruise in a few days. I can literally feel your giddiness 😊

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1 hour ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

Have to agree with those who pointed out that you likely won’t be on board ship enough to get the full benefit to cost ratio on the Celebrity itinerary.


 

 

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1 hour ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

You really can’t go wrong with any of the MSC itineraries. I suggest you do a mock flight booking to some of the nearest embarkation ports just to get a feel for airfare cost. My research has resulted in finding much cheaper rates to fly to/from Rome than say Venice or Genoa. 

 

 

They aren’t open for then yet. I’m not sure how much difference various seasons make in the cost between one airport and another. 
 

1 hour ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

We are also considering MSC for our next Med cruise and this thread is timely. Thank you!


 

Can’t wait to hear what you decide!

1 hour ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

PS.. I absolutely love how excited your are for your cruise in a few days. I can literally feel your giddiness 😊

I am!!  I’m going to feel like a Princess with it being our first time in a suite with benefits. Lol  This could be dangerous territory though. When we first started we booked portholes or ocean views. Then we got a balcony and never looked back. Then concierge class, and the last one was aqua…it’s a slippery, expensive slope!  🤦🏼‍♀️

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