PH8 Posted May 27, 2010 #1 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Don't really think it's a good comparison,do you?? http://industry.bnet.com/travel/10006232/royal-caribbean-readies-titanic-twin-allure-of-the-seas-but-profits-might-not-be-buoyant/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted May 27, 2010 #2 Share Posted May 27, 2010 If either of those ships sink, the price of cruising on RCCL will go up exponentially! While I am not a fan of either of those monster ships, I will them no ill-will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octagonmike Posted May 27, 2010 #3 Share Posted May 27, 2010 If either of those ships sink, the price of cruising on RCCL will go up exponentially! While I am not a fan of either of those monster ships, I will them no ill-will. If either of those ships sink, the oceans will rise wiping out many of us ! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted May 28, 2010 #4 Share Posted May 28, 2010 if either of those ships sink, the oceans will rise wiping out many of us ! ;) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare shipshape sam Posted May 28, 2010 #5 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Sailed on Freedom and felt it was too big for us, but after a year of the Oasis launch, had to at least try Allure and make our own opinion. Won't mind enjoying the Caribbean and ports of call this December. Unless there is something spectacular, this will be our only cruise on the Oasis class, but would hate to voice opinions and never have sailed the class. I myself say a little prayer about sinking/crashing on every trip I take. So far, so good. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzito Posted May 28, 2010 #6 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Well, in comparison to the Titanic, you're much more likely to survive a sinking in the Oasis or Allure. Her's an interesting fact about the Gulf of Mexico: "The Gulf of Mexico basin resembles a large pit with a broad shallow rim. Approximately 38% of the Gulf is comprised by shallow and intertidal areas (< 20 m deep). The area of the continental shelf (< 180 m) and continental slope (180 - 3,000 m) represent 22% and 20% respectively, and abyssal areas deeper than 3,000 m comprise the final 20% (Gore, 1992)" So, considering the the Oasis is 18 decks high (plus about another 20 meters, or so below that), there's a better than 50% chance that were it to sink to the bottom at any point in the cruise, if the passengers and crew would retire to decks 16 and above, they could still dine in the Windjammer with dry feet after the bottom of the ship reached the sea floor. I don't think the galley on the Titanic stayed open after midnight, if memory serves.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted May 28, 2010 #7 Share Posted May 28, 2010 If either of those ships sink, the price of cruising on RCCL will go up exponentially! While I am not a fan of either of those monster ships, I will them no ill-will. if either of them sink, Ill bet the opposite, that prices would drop significantly as who would want to sail on a cruiseline whose ships sunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmeed Posted May 28, 2010 #8 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Don't really think it's a good comparison,do you?? http://industry.bnet.com/travel/10006232/royal-caribbean-readies-titanic-twin-allure-of-the-seas-but-profits-might-not-be-buoyant/ They weren't comparing the ships to the "Titanic". They were using the word titanic in it's simplest definition. titanic Definition ti·tan·ic[ tī tánnik ]ADJECTIVE 1. very large or strong: having extraordinary physical strength or size 2. powerful: of extraordinary power, scope, or impressiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEIx15x8 Posted May 28, 2010 #9 Share Posted May 28, 2010 If either of them sink I think RCCL has enough insurance out to ensure that they do not face any loss from either ship. Instead though they will face the loss of all of those berths that are no longer available to bring in income for at a minimum 2 years. On top of that the loss of the largest (which often makes people think safest and unsinkable) ship would result in a huge fear of cruising that would drop bookings across all lines drastically. It is that fear that would cause RCCL to fail rather than the loss of the ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmeed Posted May 28, 2010 #10 Share Posted May 28, 2010 If either of them sink I think RCCL has enough insurance out to ensure that they do not face any loss from either ship. Instead though they will face the loss of all of those berths that are no longer available to bring in income for at a minimum 2 years. On top of that the loss of the largest (which often makes people think safest and unsinkable) ship would result in a huge fear of cruising that would drop bookings across all lines drastically. It is that fear that would cause RCCL to fail rather than the loss of the ships. Not to mention their insurance company subsequently dropping them after a claim of that magnitude. I can't imagine they would be able to insure any of their ships after that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubrrick Posted May 28, 2010 #11 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Maybe the subject is revelent......but I'm not sure why! Should any ship sink..........and the last cruise line that I know of, sank off of the island of Santorini, a couple of years ago. It must be getting late for this old guy......the point is?????????:rolleyes: Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmeed Posted May 28, 2010 #12 Share Posted May 28, 2010 No point...the OP thought the article was comparing the Oasis/Allure to the "Titanic" and then the thread spun off into cruise ships sinking. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted May 28, 2010 #13 Share Posted May 28, 2010 "The Gulf of Mexico basin resembles a large pit with a broad shallow rim. Approximately 38% of the Gulf is comprised by shallow and intertidal areas (< 20 m deep). The area of the continental shelf (< 180 m) and continental slope (180 - 3,000 m) represent 22% and 20% respectively, and abyssal areas deeper than 3,000 m comprise the final 20% (Gore, 1992)" Oasis and Allure do not have Gulf of Mexico itineraries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isujim Posted May 28, 2010 #14 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Maybe the subject is revelent......but I'm not sure why! Should any ship sink..........and the last cruise line that I know of, sank off of the island of Santorini, a couple of years ago. It must be getting late for this old guy......the point is?????????:rolleyes: Rick Rick..........we have only one thing to say........N.O.O.T.S.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isujim Posted May 28, 2010 #15 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Boy...........thanks for the link Kathy.........all kidding aside, the financial picture outlined was not pretty at all.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMoney Posted May 28, 2010 #16 Share Posted May 28, 2010 The "Titanic" reference is just a metaphor. No one's suggesting the ships will literally sink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubrrick Posted May 28, 2010 #17 Share Posted May 28, 2010 The "Titanic" reference is just a metaphor. No one's suggesting the ships will literally sink. You are right Patrick. Just the company!!;) Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PH8 Posted May 28, 2010 Author #18 Share Posted May 28, 2010 They weren't comparing the ships to the "Titanic". They were using the word titanic in it's simplest definition. I know...........I read it too fast..:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BillOh Posted May 28, 2010 #19 Share Posted May 28, 2010 if the passengers and crew would retire to decks 16 and above, they could still dine in the Windjammer with dry feet after the bottom of the ship reached the sea floor. Maybe it could plug the BP leak by sitting down on top of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavychevy Posted May 30, 2010 #20 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Oasis and Allure do not have Gulf of Mexico itineraries. $The area of the continental shelf (< 180 m)$ $$$$ all engines full ahead, we're landing on the shelf. Those D+ members whose cocktails are full--go to the front of the ship.:D Anyone see '2012';;;;;D+ members are the chosen ones, ooooops, no floating B&B allowed:p ^^^^^make sure the band is playing^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muushka Posted May 30, 2010 #21 Share Posted May 30, 2010 And this thread is how rumors start! "Did you hear that the Oasis and Allure are not seaworthy???" ;) All kidding aside, that financial report is not good. I see what they are charging on Freedom now, and makes me glad I waited. It also makes me wonder what will happen once the 2 new ships have lost their shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising89143 Posted May 30, 2010 #22 Share Posted May 30, 2010 And who is the person that wrote this article? I did a Google search and I came away with the feeling that she knows little about the cruise industry. For me after two cruises on the Oasis, bring on Allure.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmdiver Posted May 30, 2010 #23 Share Posted May 30, 2010 They weren't comparing the ships to the "Titanic". They were using the word titanic in it's simplest definition. titanic Definition ti·tan·ic[ tī tánnik ]ADJECTIVE 1. very large or strong: having extraordinary physical strength or size 2. powerful: of extraordinary power, scope, or impressiveness Exactly what I was thinking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfl Posted May 30, 2010 #24 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Neither Oasis nor Allure will be sailing in the Gulf of Mexico....there doesn't seem to be a point to this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfl Posted May 30, 2010 #25 Share Posted May 30, 2010 The article is a little too negative. RCL has about 18 billion in Assets, and 10 billion in debt, with a positive equity of 8 billion. It has over 1 billion in current assets, with current assets rising faster than current liabilities. RCLs current ratio is healthier than Carnival's (which has about 1.5 billion in current assets against nearly 5 billion in current liabilities). The travel industry as a whole has been through some tough times, with with oil prices falling, RCL should remain strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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