MikeNKim Posted March 15, 2006 #1 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Not meaning this to be disrespectful in anyway, but I just recently had a acqantence (sp) tell me I shouldn't cruise because employees are treated very badly and paid terribly. Now I have only been on 2 cruises and everyone I have encountered has appreared very happy in their jobs. But I was just curious. Also my son was considering taking a year or two off before college and was considering working for a cruise line. He hasn't looked into it at all but thought it was something he might want to do. Does anyone know??? Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wennfred Posted March 15, 2006 #2 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Not meaning this to be disrespectful in anyway, but I just recently had a acqantence (sp) tell me I shouldn't cruise because employees are treated very badly and paid terribly. Now I have only been on 2 cruises and everyone I have encountered has appreared very happy in their jobs. But I was just curious. Also my son was considering taking a year or two off before college and was considering working for a cruise line. He hasn't looked into it at all but thought it was something he might want to do. Does anyone know??? Kim From what a steward told me once, the Cruiseline pays them 50.00 per month, The rest is all in Tips. Now remember this cabin steward can not clean all 30+ cabins on his own, he will have to hire some help and thats where all the money goes. The 50.00 they get per month is for tolietries etc. whether thats true or not, thats what I was told. There is a website for Crewmates etc, Im sorry I didnt save it. But someone posted on CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoinCruisin Posted March 15, 2006 #3 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Not many cruiselines hire American workers, but there are some that do... the pay is not great compared to the standards here which is why you won't see many Americans working on ships (along with the number of hours they have to work and very little time off, I had a friend who's son looked into it thinking it would be glamorous and fun... he quickly found out that wasn't the case). The pay for many, compared to the pay in their countries is VERY good... but it depends on the job. Depends on the length of their contract, etc. For a steward, their salary is only about $40/month, but with tips, that could work out to $2000/month (then they pay their asst approx $800/month out of their tips)... and some come from countries where they wouldn't make that in a years time. There are several sites out there that list various cruise ship positions and the approximate rates for various positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnavb5 Posted March 15, 2006 #4 Share Posted March 15, 2006 There was a gal in the town I lived in in CA. She went to work on a cruiseline as a singer. She was ESTATIC when she first got the job. The only thing I know for sure (she wasn't a HEADLINE) was she had to work in the casino, or buffet line, or whatever when she wasn't singing. YOu don't just do ONE gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdood Posted March 15, 2006 #5 Share Posted March 15, 2006 This is a common topic - here is a thread with a lot of perspectives: http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=244501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serene56 Posted March 15, 2006 #6 Share Posted March 15, 2006 To get a job that makes tips you have to work your way up the ranks- You wont be hired outright as a cabin steward or a waiter. Even a bar waiter. People work in the laundry room working their way to the cabins.. and kitchen working their way to the dining room. Like goingcruisin stated-- VERY FEW americans work onboard the ships. It is hard work for very long hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeNKim Posted March 15, 2006 Author #7 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Thank you all. I hope I didn't offend anyone by asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.Oceanlover Posted March 15, 2006 #8 Share Posted March 15, 2006 The OP is from Canada. The only canadians I have ever seen working on cruise ships were in the casino or the Camp Carnival type counselors. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanman Posted March 15, 2006 #9 Share Posted March 15, 2006 This is a common topic - here is a thread with a lot of perspectives: http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=244501 One thing is for sure, you can count on mrdood to let you know that this has been asked before and tell you where to go find it!:D One thing to remember about the pay on a cruise ship is that you do not have to pay for meals or a place to stay during the contract. If I remember correctly also is that since it is a foreign flagged ship it is US Tax free (although I believe you have to report it come tax time and then pay all your taxes). I did not realize how little a lot of the stewards and such were paid, makes me want to give bigger tips next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebejeebe Posted March 15, 2006 #10 Share Posted March 15, 2006 If your son is interested in working on a cruise ship he should consider the NCL ship that sails out of Hawaii. It is a US flagged ship and the pay level appears to be fairly good. I believe the tips are part of a mandatory service charge. According to NCL the compensation levels are attractive when you include food, lodging and health care is included. A friend of mine worked on a cruise ship as a dive instructor for several years after college. It paid well enough for the life style that he was most interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoinCruisin Posted March 15, 2006 #11 Share Posted March 15, 2006 If your son is interested in working on a cruise ship he should consider the NCL ship that sails out of Hawaii. It is a US flagged ship and the pay level appears to be fairly good. I believe the tips are part of a mandatory service charge. According to NCL the compensation levels are attractive when you include food, lodging and health care is included. A friend of mine worked on a cruise ship as a dive instructor for several years after college. It paid well enough for the life style that he was most interested in. That is the line my friends son was going to work on... his pay was going to be minimum wage... granted, this was for an entry level position and over the years he would have had the opportunity to earn more, but the pay really wasn't great... It really depends on what job you are looking at... it's certainly not a glamorous job by any means, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogimax Posted March 15, 2006 #12 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Does the captain work for tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grtcdnwolf Posted March 15, 2006 #13 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Found on another website.... On our ship there were 34 nationalities represented. Pretty amazing. We talked candidly with several of the crew and they said that all got along wonderfully. They loved the diverse group of nationalities. With the crew living in such close quarters, the ones we talked to said that many of their preconceived notions about the other crew members were quashed. Many countries that had been taught to hate one another, found that the people of those countries were just like them and when you got the two nationalities together on the ship as crew mates, they became best friends. Why are most of the crew members non-American? Mainly because of the work ethic that is needed for the ship. You have to understand that these individuals are away from their family and countries for 5, 8 or 9 months. They all work anywhere from 12 to 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for the entire duration of their contract. For each month of service, they get a week off at the end of their contracted work period. When they get back from their vacation, they rarely return to the same ship. Their previous place had to be filled immediately to stay at the level of service that Carnival is noted for. You really have to understand that some of the countries the crew comes from are very poor, and the money that is returned home, and the good it does, is phenomenal. Terry and I were in awe of them. I know I wouldn't be able to keep up with the schedule they keep. One thing for sure is that they all must be "people" persons. That's probably the number one criteria. You must love people from all walks of life! We were fortunate to have a session with our cruise director who gave a talk about what life aboard the ship was like for the crew. He explained that there was an apprentice program on the ship. A question was asked about the crew's accommodations. Chris Roberts, our cruise director, explained that it really depended on you level of importance and seniority. Normally, crew members are housed 4 to a cabin in a dormitory type setting with showers at the end of the hall. What about the Captain's cabin? Well, he told us it's pretty cool. Even when the Captain is not on duty on the bridge, he can monitor every function of the ship due to the extensive bank of instruments in his cabin. The more senior the staff is, the nicer the amenities. They also try to pair similar occupations together so the room mates have similar hours. In other words, the entertainers are together since they have mainly nighttime hours. If they had a waiter for a room mate, they probably wouldn't want to get up at 5:00 am to get ready for breakfast preparation. It's interesting though that the crew's rooms are made up each day just like ours. Plus they're served meals just like us. Not quite the same foods, but in the same style. Food on the crew decks is geared more towards the regional tastes of the crew. It's all part of the training program on the ship. Stewards and waiters start training on the lower crew decks of the ship and work their way up. They prove themselves on the crew desks, then possibly move to the senior staff area, then finally to the guest desks. So the crew even gets their cabins made up just like ours. They are judged on how they do. The crew dining room gets the training waiters, as well as the head waiters and hopefully someday, they may make it to the main dining room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llanning Posted March 16, 2006 #14 Share Posted March 16, 2006 The last post was very accurate. My son worked for 5 years as an IT Manager on various Carnival ships. He was one of the few American officers on board. His pay was comparable to a land position if you take into consideration he didn't pay room or board. He did have to tip the dining room waiter and his cabin steward. He was able to eat in either the crew or the officer mess. The food wasn't quite as good as upstairs. Crew excurtions were often arranged a greatly reduced prices and many of the ports offered special crew rates on activities. Your position on the ship definately dictates your status on the ship. His fiancee was a dealer in the casino and she wasn't treated as well. He finished his last contract in September and did not intend to go back. As I speak, though, he is on his way to Mobile to bring the Sensation out of dry dock. There were a number of Canadians on board. They often worked in the purser's office or as crew staff. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semala Posted March 16, 2006 #15 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Wow, this is a very neat thread. I recently was out of a job for a few months and considered taking a position on a cruise ship. One of the only reasons I didn't is that I would still have had to pay mortgage for a house I wasn't living in. (Long story as to why I couldn't just sell it) But it does sound interesting! I guess now I'll just have to satisfy myself with going on cruises instead of working them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfklutz Posted March 16, 2006 #16 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Cruise West has almost all American Flagged ships - which require American workers. If the CSRs work hard, they can make $800 a week in tips. And Captains are paid very well - but sometimes get a share of pooled tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGag262 Posted March 16, 2006 #17 Share Posted March 16, 2006 85 USS HOEL DDG-13 Sorry to get off topic! I noticed you were on the USS HOEL in 1985. I was on the Hoel when it decommissioned in October of 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholly Posted March 16, 2006 #18 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I worked on a cruise ship on the Mississippi River 20 years ago. I only worked for 3 weeks, it was exhausting work! We had to clean the rooms and waitress and once a week you had to stay up all night with a small crew of people in case any of the guests needed something. As I remember we recieved a very small amount from the ship and all the tips were divided evenly among the rest of us. It ended up being about $450.00 per week which I though was good money then but it was not worth the back breaking work and missing my familt & friends. We also did not get to eat the same food that we served to the guests. We had to eat "cheap " food like hot dogs and casseroles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittybork Posted March 16, 2006 #19 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Cruise West has almost all American Flagged ships - which require American workers. If the CSRs work hard, they can make $800 a week in tips. And Captains are paid very well - but sometimes get a share of pooled tips. Is it that they require American workers, or workers with U.S. Coast Guard licenses? Captains of any ship that size do get paid very well as do the engineers and mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydecocruiser Posted March 16, 2006 #20 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think NCL in HI has a number of Americans as crew. But back to the original question - I don't make nada on a cruise ship - I'm on vacation. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VentureMan_2000 Posted March 16, 2006 #21 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I heard that if you are American, there are very few positions for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydecocruiser Posted March 16, 2006 #22 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think NCL in HI has a number of Americans as crew. But back to the original question - I don't make nada on a cruise ship - I'm on vacation. :D Seems to be 100% American (and I think required for US flag) ... http://www.ncl.com/fleet/pam/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittybork Posted March 16, 2006 #23 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'm not certain, but I don't think it is required that all workers be American. I know of US flagged ships that have foreign employees. These are not cruise ships though. The licensed employees are all Americans, but I can't understand why the cooks and waiters would need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisedude66 Posted March 16, 2006 #24 Share Posted March 16, 2006 From what a steward told me once, the Cruiseline pays them 50.00 per month, The rest is all in Tips. Now remember this cabin steward can not clean all 30+ cabins on his own, he will have to hire some help and thats where all the money goes. The 50.00 they get per month is for tolietries etc. whether thats true or not, thats what I was told. There is a website for Crewmates etc, Im sorry I didnt save it. But someone posted on CC. http://www.cruisemates.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=36 If you worked on a cruise ship present or past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruisin2Sun Posted March 17, 2006 #25 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I heard that if you are American, there are very few positions for you. I live in the Chicago area, and in the 3/12/06 chicago Tribune Career section, there's a huge ad for NCL: "Don't miss the boat! Sail Away with us to Hawaii! Pastry & Bakery cooks housekeepers laundry attendants hospitality or restaurant exp. a must also hiring other shipboard positions - hotel/restaurant exp. required. in order to qualify, you must be a US citizen or perm resident." I was very surprised to see that, considering most ships have few american service workers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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