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#41
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I have not seen a full moon sign yet. I have two overnights on Adonia and those are showing correctly. The quarter moon shows on all the other ports, not even a half moon. I think the IT department needs a smack.

Even Gibraltar is showing a moon and I know we are leaving at 1400 according to Gib Cruise ship schedule.
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#43
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Originally posted by jeanlyon
I have not seen a full moon sign yet. I have two overnights on Adonia and those are showing correctly. The quarter moon shows on all the other ports, not even a half moon. I think the IT department needs a smack.
The full moon sign seems to have disappeared, the only two signs I can see now are a crescent moon (when clicked on says 9pm leave or later) and a Sun sign (when clicked on confirms overnight stay). Or, no sign at all (e.g. Lisbon) which presumably means normal late afternoon/early evening departure?

Bet when said slap has been delivered to IT dept, most of the signs will disappear again without any explanation or suggestion anything went wrong.
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I would suggest that it is highly unlikely that they would have done this move to late departures because it would have a major impact on shipboard revenues. 5pm to 9pm are peak times for bar revenue. It would also interfere with dinner (particularly set dining times). I suspect that the 'work experience' IT student has been fiddling with the website.
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#46
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Originally posted by SteveH2508
I would suggest that it is highly unlikely that they would have done this move to late departures because it would have a major impact on shipboard revenues. 5pm to 9pm are peak times for bar revenue. It would also interfere with dinner (particularly set dining times). I suspect that the 'work experience' IT student has been fiddling with the website.
It begs the question then why are the moon signs appearing and then backed up by customer services as being correct?
I have noticed on my Cruise personaliser on my xmas markets cruise an excursion called:

A Winter’s Night In Hamburg

Can anyone who has done the cruise before advise if this is a new excursion or if it has been on there previously?
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Just been perusing again and found this on the website...we will soon know the answer:
15 Aug 2017-Sep 1st
VENTURA: Round-trip cruise from Southampton, Cruise itinerary : 7 ports


  • Southampton
  • Palma
  • Athens CRESCENT MOON
  • Rhodes CRESCENT MOON
  • Mykonos
  • Katakolon
  • Messina Strait CRESCENT MOON
  • Messina Strait
  • Gibraltar
  • Southampton
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#48
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I have noticed this moon on the website and thought it was good and, then like many of you, started to notice there does seem too many of them! on my recent cruise we left Bilbao at 9,30pm and it was great not to rush about in the day and know you had plenty of time to get back to the ship!
Also we had an overnight in Amsterdam last October and a 8pm departure in le Harve - great in the MDR as we got into Freedom dining with no waiting at all
#49
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Originally posted by SteveH2508
I would suggest that it is highly unlikely that they would have done this move to late departures because it would have a major impact on shipboard revenues. 5pm to 9pm are peak times for bar revenue. It would also interfere with dinner (particularly set dining times). I suspect that the 'work experience' IT student has been fiddling with the website.
That really made me laugh!
#50
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Originally posted by SteveH2508
I would suggest that it is highly unlikely that they would have done this move to late departures because it would have a major impact on shipboard revenues. 5pm to 9pm are peak times for bar revenue. It would also interfere with dinner (particularly set dining times). I suspect that the 'work experience' IT student has been fiddling with the website.


They can have as many late nights as they like people will always come back to the ship for dinner.


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#51
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Originally posted by terrierjohn
This is one occasion where you are probably wrong Dai, unless you are going to argue with an experienced cruise ship deck officer, check out this link.



https://www.quora.com/How-fast-are-cruise-ships


I did not reply directly as I thought you posted this as a joke. Well a history lesson. This guy is talking about last century, not the last ten years or so which is what I am talking about. And what I thought Selbourne was discussing. Everything built after 2000 for P&O has a top speed of around 22 knots

BTW I fully agree with your example in the past meaning 22 years ago and beyond the ships were faster as they were lines not cruise ships.

The only fast cruise ship/liner we have now is QM2.


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#52
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Originally posted by Selbourne
So, following your logic, can you explain why times in port have not increased again if that was a temporary issue? I'd suggest it's because the lower fuel volumes that they discovered that they could use would have been locked in to their business model. If you leave a port early, the time you 'have' to get to the next port is longer than the time you would 'need' if you left later. That means you can go slower, which saves money. Simple!


But you are assuming that the ships are leaving earlier. Certainly since 2006 there has been little difference in the departure times of the cruises I have been on. That of course was before the oil crises. Not sure where you are getting your information about leaving early apart from a great deal of hearsay.


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#53
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slightly off topic I know but why do people always assume it's the IT departments fault? yes they are in charge of the website but they only publish the information that the business gives them. It's not the role of IT to verify the content. and yes I do work in IT...!! :-)
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#54
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Originally posted by daiB
They can have as many late nights as they like people will always come back to the ship for dinner.


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Unless they are in an excursion with dinner included I agree, no idea why but it gets to a certain time and I want to be back on board.
I do like evening sail-aways when it's dark.


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#55
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Originally posted by Selbourne
So, following your logic, can you explain why times in port have not increased again if that was a temporary issue? I'd suggest it's because the lower fuel volumes that they discovered that they could use would have been locked in to their business model. If you leave a port early, the time you 'have' to get to the next port is longer than the time you would 'need' if you left later. That means you can go slower, which saves money. Simple!
Also less time in port = lower berthing fees.
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Originally posted by daiB
But you are assuming that the ships are leaving earlier. Certainly since 2006 there has been little difference in the departure times of the cruises I have been on. That of course was before the oil crises. Not sure where you are getting your information about leaving early apart from a great deal of hearsay.


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I am assuming nothing. I speak from personal experience, not hearsay. On our first P&O cruise (before your first one admittedly), we left ports between 6 and 7pm and ran pretty flat out between ports. Nowadays the norm is at least an hour before that, often more, with cruising speeds that, even though a lot slower (as the ships are slower, as we all agree) are further below the ships top speed . You seem hung up on the oil crises. Whilst that may have forced some changes, all sharp businesses (of which P&O is one) are constantly focused on cost control nowaday. So when fuel is one of your most significant costs, you will schedule in a way that minimises its usage. I suspect, however, that you will still not be convinced, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
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#57
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Originally posted by Selbourne
I am assuming nothing. I speak from personal experience, not hearsay. On our first P&O cruise (before your first one admittedly), we left ports between 6 and 7pm and ran pretty flat out between ports. Nowadays the norm is at least an hour before that, often more, with cruising speeds that, even though a lot slower (as the ships are slower, as we all agree) are further below the ships top speed . You seem hung up on the oil crises. Whilst that may have forced some changes, all sharp businesses (of which P&O is one) are constantly focused on cost control nowaday. So when fuel is one of your most significant costs, you will schedule in a way that minimises its usage. I suspect, however, that you will still not be convinced, so we will just have to agree to disagree.


I am not hung up on the oil business as you suggest. It was at that point that Carnival issued their dictate that ships should run slower. It was from that point that these discussions about the speed of ships and time in port started. That dictate was rescinded not long after that. If you had stated at the start that your experiences of faster cruising was before 2000 then I would have agreed. But in the terms of this thread, i.e. Longer times in port I did not expect anyone to be. using pre 2000 information. My comments are relating to the past 10 years or so.


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Originally posted by daiB
I did not reply directly as I thought you posted this as a joke. Well a history lesson. This guy is talking about last century, not the last ten years or so which is what I am talking about. And what I thought Selbourne was discussing. Everything built after 2000 for P&O has a top speed of around 22 knots
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BTW I fully agree with your example in the past meaning 22 years ago and beyond the ships were faster as they were lines not cruise ships.

The only fast cruise ship/liner we have now is QM2.


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Dai, can I suggest you read the article fully before you make a fool of yourself by quoting rubbish.
The guy in the article served on HAL from 2009-2017, which is definitely this century and his comments about arranging sailing times to ensure the most economic sailing times clearly relate to the present.
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#59
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Originally posted by terrierjohn
Dai, can I suggest you read the article fully before you make a fool of yourself by quoting rubbish.

The guy in the article served on HAL from 2009-2017, which is definitely this century and his comments about arranging sailing times to ensure the most economic sailing times clearly relate to the present.






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