Milwaukee Eight Posted November 18, 2017 #726 Share Posted November 18, 2017 If you believe those on the thread about Cuba changes, everyone is going to cancel what they've booked Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Not sure what to believe. Sounds like to me most plan to fill out the forms that indicate they meet certain requirements to go on own or book a private tour. Matters not to them what the US Regulations might be. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ourusualbeach Posted November 18, 2017 #727 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Not sure what to believe. Sounds like to me most plan to fill out the forms that indicate they meet certain requirements to go on own or book a private tour. Matters not to them what the US Regulations might be. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Here's part of a letter sent out by Azamara cruises regarding the changes. I'm assuming that Royal will follow similar procedures. Dear Guest, Effective November 9th, new regulations regarding travel to Cuba were initiated by the U.S. Department of Treasury. These rules apply to all travelers boarding a ship in a United States port, regardless of nationality or country of residence. Simply put, everyone must adhere to these regulations, and, with this in mind, I have great news. <img width="515" border="0" align="center" class="yiv7242977828ycb1176544387" style="line-height: 1.2em; outline: none; width: 515px; max-width: 515px;">Cuba presents an unforgettable opportunity to be among the first to experience people, places, history, and culture that have remained off the map of travel enthusiasts for generations. Having been there myself in preparing to deliver Azamara guests the finest experiences, I can tell you that Cuba will both open your eyes and enrich your spirit. It's a nation of contradictions, broken in many ways and, yet, beautiful in so many more. It's classic American cars rumbling down dusty Havana avenues. It's music-filled streets that play well into the night. It's the smell of hand-rolled Cohibas surrounding curbside cafes, and connecting with locals who are genuinely enthusiastic about sharing their home with new guests. Havana is safe, passionate, colorful and about as welcoming an island as you'll find anywhere in the Caribbean. There are a few things worth noting regarding the new regulations. If a cruise has been booked and payed for prior to June 16th, 2017, guests are free to go ashore independently. If not, under the new rules, guests must travel with a tour group. I would highly recommend this, regardless, as we've put together a menu of unique experiences designed to present Cuba in the most immersive, insightful and convenient ways imaginable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted November 18, 2017 #728 Share Posted November 18, 2017 This is a dream situation for the cruise lines and the Cuban government. All day or extended tours allow the line to have meal inclusive tours which increase perceived value and increase incremental revenue of excursions, with stops only at designated shops that pay the cruise line a cut and they save costs onboard the ships at the same time with passengers returning just in time to fill the bars and dining venues. The unfortunate effect will be that monies spent in Cuba will have a narrower distribution benefiting a few dominant actors and the Cuban government. The Cuban government can also gain more control over the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted November 18, 2017 #729 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Here's part of a letter sent out by Azamara cruises regarding the changes. I'm assuming that Royal will follow similar procedures. Dear Guest, Effective November 9th, new regulations regarding travel to Cuba were initiated by the U.S. Department of Treasury. These rules apply to all travelers boarding a ship in a United States port, regardless of nationality or country of residence. Simply put, everyone must adhere to these regulations, and, with this in mind, I have great news. <img width="515" border="0" align="center" class="yiv7242977828ycb1176544387" style="line-height: 1.2em; outline: none; width: 515px; max-width: 515px;">Cuba presents an unforgettable opportunity to be among the first to experience people, places, history, and culture that have remained off the map of travel enthusiasts for generations. Having been there myself in preparing to deliver Azamara guests the finest experiences, I can tell you that Cuba will both open your eyes and enrich your spirit. It's a nation of contradictions, broken in many ways and, yet, beautiful in so many more. It's classic American cars rumbling down dusty Havana avenues. It's music-filled streets that play well into the night. It's the smell of hand-rolled Cohibas surrounding curbside cafes, and connecting with locals who are genuinely enthusiastic about sharing their home with new guests. Havana is safe, passionate, colorful and about as welcoming an island as you'll find anywhere in the Caribbean. There are a few things worth noting regarding the new regulations. If a cruise has been booked and payed for prior to June 16th, 2017, guests are free to go ashore independently. If not, under the new rules, guests must travel with a tour group. I would highly recommend this, regardless, as we've put together a menu of unique experiences designed to present Cuba in the most immersive, insightful and convenient ways imaginable. Interesting, this indicates cruise was paid for prior to June 16th, 2017, not just booked. Something to think about. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted November 18, 2017 #730 Share Posted November 18, 2017 As with any regulation, there may be quite a bit of subjectivity and reality on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted November 18, 2017 #731 Share Posted November 18, 2017 *NEW 2018/19 Deployment Flyers Empress of the Seas http://creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2018_2019/17056754_Empress_Deployment_Flyer_final.pdf Majesty of the Seas http://creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2018_2019/17055418_MJ_2018-2019_Deployment_Flyer_Final Enchantment of the Seas http://creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2018_2019/17056668_EN_Deployment_Flyer_final.pdf Vision of the Seas http://creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2018_2019/17056670_VI_Deployment_Flyer_final.pdf The Majesty of the Seas Deployment shows the ship moving from Tampa to Port Everglades already at the end of October 2018, when Brilliance and Rhapsody return to Tampa for the winter season. Sailings to Cuba are already in place prior to the future April 2019 continued deployment. The difference appears to be that the ship changes to 2 weekly sailings after April of 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEBOY305 Posted November 18, 2017 #732 Share Posted November 18, 2017 The Majesty of the Seas Deployment shows the ship moving from Tampa to Port Everglades already at the end of October 2018, when Brilliance and Rhapsody return to Tampa for the winter season. Sailings to Cuba are already in place prior to the future April 2019 continued deployment. The difference appears to be that the ship changes to 2 weekly sailings after April of 2019 Majesty is simply doing what Empress was already scheduled to do. It's just a simple ship swap here. The Empress sailings out of Miami are what would be considered "new". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaAtlCruiser Posted November 18, 2017 #733 Share Posted November 18, 2017 It is interesting that Majesty will move to Ft Lauderdale after being in Tampa and do longer sailings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted November 18, 2017 #734 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Majesty is simply doing what Empress was already scheduled to do. It's just a simple ship swap here. The Empress sailings out of Miami are what would be considered "new". Yes, but some had thought the move was only to Tampa. It was a move to Tampa and Port Everglades. The ship continues from Port Everglades through May of 2020 with yesterday's bookings with the Key West port agent confirmed. Empress continues from Miami year round through May of 2020 from Miami then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted November 18, 2017 #735 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Port St. Maarten cruise schedules had been taken off line for a couple of weeks and just returned as available to view. It is interesting that all RCI bookings after January of 2019 had been removed from the booking lists. I was hoping for some leads for Grandeur bookings there as that was always a pretty reliable source of future RCI bookings. I knew RCI was building a port development at St. Maarten, but I was not aware that they might have their own piers. This might just be them going in and rescheduling all the ships that have been moved around I would guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted November 19, 2017 #736 Share Posted November 19, 2017 2019-20 Summer / Winter Deployment predictions (3rd draft) Deployment with port booking and press release confirmed Adventure, Port Everglades / Bayonne Summer season Allure, Port Everglades year-round Anthem, year-round Bayonne Brilliance, TA, Amsterdam early summer / mini med season /Tampa Dec. Empress, Miami, 4/5/5 Key West / Havana sailings. Enchantment, year-round 4/5 night Galveston Freedom, San Juan, Year-round Harmony, year-round Port Canaveral deployment Indy, European deployment, Southampton / Port Everglades Jewel, European deployment Civitavecchia home-port / San Juan Liberty, year-round Galveston Majesty, year-round Port Everglades 3/4 day Key West/Havana sailings Mariner, year round, Port Canaveral 3/4 night Bahamas Sailings. Navigator, year round Miami / 3/4 night Bahamas sailings. Oasis, Dry Dock / Barcelona season / TA / Miami Ovation, Asia / Sydney / TP / Alaska / TP Quantum, China, Shanghai / Dry Dock / ? Radiance, returns to Vancouver home-port / Sydney Rhapsody, TA/ European deployment, Venice home-port. / Tampa Serenade, TA / European deployment, Copenhagen/ Boston / Miami Spectrum, China, Shanghai / Singapore. Symphony, Year-round Miami Deployment Voyager (Quantum/Explorer) Asia/World Voyage/ Southampton / ? Deployment Likely (A Vision class ship move to TUI is rumored ) Explorer, Sydney / Hong Kong / Singapore / Sydney Grandeur, year-round Baltimore deployment Vision, European deployment, Barcelona 12N sailings / NOLA Speculated deployment Voyager booking may be Explorer and it is actually Explorer that is moving to Southampton with a world voyage then with a Dubai season and back to Sydney. Voyager bookings may be Quantum the world cruise and Southampton could be Quantum. Voyager/Explorer - Asia/ Dubai/Asia/ Sydney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted November 19, 2017 #737 Share Posted November 19, 2017 2019-20 Summer / Winter Deployment predictions (3rd draft) Deployment with port booking and press release confirmed Adventure, Port Everglades / Bayonne Summer season Allure, Port Everglades year-round Anthem, year-round Bayonne Brilliance, TA, Amsterdam early summer / mini med season /Tampa Dec. Empress, Miami, 4/5/5 Key West / Havana sailings. Enchantment, year-round 4/5 night Galveston Freedom, San Juan, Year-round Harmony, year-round Port Canaveral deployment Indy, European deployment, Southampton / Port Everglades Jewel, European deployment Civitavecchia home-port / San Juan Liberty, year-round Galveston Majesty, year-round Port Everglades 3/4 day Key West/Havana sailings Mariner, year round, Port Canaveral 3/4 night Bahamas Sailings. Navigator, year round Miami / 3/4 night Bahamas sailings. Oasis, Dry Dock / Barcelona season / TA / Miami Ovation, Asia / Sydney / TP / Alaska / TP Quantum, China, Shanghai / Dry Dock / ? Radiance, returns to Vancouver home-port / Sydney Rhapsody, TA/ European deployment, Venice home-port. / Tampa Serenade, TA / European deployment, Copenhagen/ Boston / Miami Spectrum, China, Shanghai / Singapore. Symphony, Year-round Miami Deployment Voyager (Quantum/Explorer) Asia/World Voyage/ Southampton / ? Deployment Likely (A Vision class ship move to TUI is rumored ) Explorer, Sydney / Hong Kong / Singapore / Sydney Grandeur, year-round Baltimore deployment Vision, European deployment, Barcelona 12N sailings / NOLA Speculated deployment Voyager booking may be Explorer and it is actually Explorer that is moving to Southampton with a world voyage then with a Dubai season and back to Sydney. Voyager bookings may be Quantum the world cruise and Southampton could be Quantum. Voyager/Explorer - Asia/ Dubai/Asia/ Sydney I thought it was confirmed Enchantment heading to Port Canaveral May 2018??? Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfTheSeasCruiser Posted November 19, 2017 #738 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I thought it was confirmed Enchantment heading to Port Canaveral May 2018??? Sent from my iPhone using Forums To be replaced by Mariner in May 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted November 19, 2017 #739 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Enchantment moving back to Galveston in May of 2019 was covered in the November 7th press release from RCI. Travelers from the Southwest also seeking short Caribbean getaways can take advantage of 4- and 5-night sailings on Enchantment of the Seas from Galveston, Texas to various destinations in Mexico, year-round. Short Caribbean itineraries will be available to book the week of Nov. 20, 2017. All itineraries will be available to book by Crown & Anchor Society loyalty members one day prior to the general opening date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brevardcruiser Posted November 19, 2017 #740 Share Posted November 19, 2017 2019-20 Summer / Winter Deployment predictions (3rd draft) Deployment with port booking and press release confirmed Adventure, Port Everglades / Bayonne Summer season Allure, Port Everglades year-round Anthem, year-round Bayonne Brilliance, TA, Amsterdam early summer / mini med season /Tampa Dec. Empress, Miami, 4/5/5 Key West / Havana sailings. Enchantment, year-round 4/5 night Galveston Freedom, San Juan, Year-round Harmony, year-round Port Canaveral deployment Indy, European deployment, Southampton / Port Everglades Jewel, European deployment Civitavecchia home-port / San Juan Liberty, year-round Galveston Majesty, year-round Port Everglades 3/4 day Key West/Havana sailings Mariner, year round, Port Canaveral 3/4 night Bahamas Sailings. Navigator, year round Miami / 3/4 night Bahamas sailings. Oasis, Dry Dock / Barcelona season / TA / Miami Ovation, Asia / Sydney / TP / Alaska / TP Quantum, China, Shanghai / Dry Dock / ? Radiance, returns to Vancouver home-port / Sydney Rhapsody, TA/ European deployment, Venice home-port. / Tampa Serenade, TA / European deployment, Copenhagen/ Boston / Miami Spectrum, China, Shanghai / Singapore. Symphony, Year-round Miami Deployment Voyager (Quantum/Explorer) Asia/World Voyage/ Southampton / ? Deployment Likely (A Vision class ship move to TUI is rumored ) Explorer, Sydney / Hong Kong / Singapore / Sydney Grandeur, year-round Baltimore deployment Vision, European deployment, Barcelona 12N sailings / NOLA Speculated deployment Voyager booking may be Explorer and it is actually Explorer that is moving to Southampton with a world voyage then with a Dubai season and back to Sydney. Voyager bookings may be Quantum the world cruise and Southampton could be Quantum. Voyager/Explorer - Asia/ Dubai/Asia/ Sydney Did I️ miss something where serenade going to Miami? Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saab4444 Posted November 19, 2017 #741 Share Posted November 19, 2017 For sure no Vision Class will be moved to TUI Cruises as they are currently replacing similar old Celebrity ships (Galaxy and Mercury) with new ships. In 2018/19 they will also not sell a Vision Class to Thompson Cruises (now Marella Cruises) as part of TUI Group as they get one ship per year from TUI Cruises (Galaxy in 2018 and Mercury in 2019), that is enough growth for their smaller fleet. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted November 19, 2017 #742 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Enchantment moving back to Galveston in May of 2019 was covered in the November 7th press release from RCI. Travelers from the Southwest also seeking short Caribbean getaways can take advantage of 4- and 5-night sailings on Enchantment of the Seas from Galveston, Texas to various destinations in Mexico, year-round. Short Caribbean itineraries will be available to book the week of Nov. 20, 2017. All itineraries will be available to book by Crown & Anchor Society loyalty members one day prior to the general opening date. But didn’t that all change this week? Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEBOY305 Posted November 19, 2017 #743 Share Posted November 19, 2017 But didn’t that all change this week? Sent from my iPhone using Forums what changed was the 2018 deployment. Enchantment is still going to Galveston in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEBOY305 Posted November 19, 2017 #744 Share Posted November 19, 2017 2019-20 Summer / Winter Deployment predictions (3rd draft) Deployment with port booking and press release confirmed Adventure, Port Everglades / Bayonne Summer season Allure, Port Everglades year-round Anthem, year-round Bayonne Brilliance, TA, Amsterdam early summer / mini med season /Tampa Dec. Empress, Miami, 4/5/5 Key West / Havana sailings. Enchantment, year-round 4/5 night Galveston Freedom, San Juan, Year-round Harmony, year-round Port Canaveral deployment Indy, European deployment, Southampton / Port Everglades Jewel, European deployment Civitavecchia home-port / San Juan Liberty, year-round Galveston Majesty, year-round Port Everglades 3/4 day Key West/Havana sailings Mariner, year round, Port Canaveral 3/4 night Bahamas Sailings. Navigator, year round Miami / 3/4 night Bahamas sailings. Oasis, Dry Dock / Barcelona season / TA / Miami Ovation, Asia / Sydney / TP / Alaska / TP Quantum, China, Shanghai / Dry Dock / ? Radiance, returns to Vancouver home-port / Sydney Rhapsody, TA/ European deployment, Venice home-port. / Tampa Serenade, TA / European deployment, Copenhagen/ Boston / Miami Spectrum, China, Shanghai / Singapore. Symphony, Year-round Miami Deployment Voyager (Quantum/Explorer) Asia/World Voyage/ Southampton / ? Deployment Likely (A Vision class ship move to TUI is rumored ) Explorer, Sydney / Hong Kong / Singapore / Sydney Grandeur, year-round Baltimore deployment Vision, European deployment, Barcelona 12N sailings / NOLA Speculated deployment Voyager booking may be Explorer and it is actually Explorer that is moving to Southampton with a world voyage then with a Dubai season and back to Sydney. Voyager bookings may be Quantum the world cruise and Southampton could be Quantum. Voyager/Explorer - Asia/ Dubai/Asia/ Sydney I agree with all (or most) Serenade to Miami???? I think Voyager (or maybe Explorer) will be used to replace whatever Navigator did. Southampton sailings and then the 5/9 sailings from Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted November 19, 2017 #745 Share Posted November 19, 2017 what changed was the 2018 deployment. Enchantment is still going to Galveston in 2019 Yes via PC when Mariner shows up. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted November 19, 2017 #746 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Is Enchantment going to Galveston via a southern cruise? Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEBOY305 Posted November 19, 2017 #747 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Is Enchantment going to Galveston via a southern cruise? Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Vision is not so I don’t think Enchantment will either (Which is stupid IMO) Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internetwhiz Posted November 19, 2017 #748 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Vision is not so I don’t think Enchantment will either (Which is stupid IMO) Sent from my iPhone using Forums I agree. A unique itinerary would be so welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted November 19, 2017 #749 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Vision is not so I don’t think Enchantment will either (Which is stupid IMO) Sent from my iPhone using Forums Are they deadheading all the way from PC to Galveston? Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted November 19, 2017 #750 Share Posted November 19, 2017 For sure no Vision Class will be moved to TUI Cruises as they are currently replacing similar old Celebrity ships (Galaxy and Mercury) with new ships. In 2018/19 they will also not sell a Vision Class to Thompson Cruises (now Marella Cruises) as part of TUI Group as they get one ship per year from TUI Cruises (Galaxy in 2018 and Mercury in 2019), that is enough growth for their smaller fleet. Sent from my iPad using Forums The only reason they could be an element of fact here is that TUI deployment had booked a ship called Discovery3 at Gibraltar last April and recently at Riviera Ports. Vision is booked at ports for Barcelona and NOLA in 2019 and 2020. Without St. Maarten or Canada port bookings it is not possible to verify Grandeur yet. I also do not think it will happen. That said, depending on the success of CTrip booking small ports in China for turnarounds they may want to have the sister ships from TUI UK, Galaxy and Mercury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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