E-Cig onboard

[2SeaWithMe]

The habit has nothing to do with bystanders. I don't have time to source every study (even thought the FDA has never studied it) but here is one citation from one out of New Zealand regarding the effects on bystanders:

 

"Method. Analysis of published data on nicotine absorption, and informal comments of bystanders, and observation of e-cigarette smoking indoors.

Results. Cigarette smoke is a mixture of sidestream smoke and exhaled mainstream smoke. In constrast, the e-cigarette generates no sidestream smoke from its (artificially lit) tip. Any exhaled PG mist visibly dissipates to vapor within seconds. Non-smoking bystanders do not find the mist unpleasant. The mist is odorless, and those close by quickly realize it does not have the odor of smoke or the irritating quality of tobacco cigarette smoke.

Comments. Inhaled nicotine in cigarette smoke is over 98% absorbed 6, and so the exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol, and contains almost no nicotine; and no CO. (see Figure 3.5) Lacking any active ingredient or any gaseous products of combustion, the PG mist or ‘smoke’ is not harmful to bystanders. The ‘smoke’ or mist is not tobacco smoke, and not from combustion – no flame is lit – and is not defined as environmental tobacco smoke. E-cigarette “smoking” would be

permitted under New Zealand’s Smoke-free Environments Act 1990.33

32"

 

By:

Murray Laugesen

Health New Zealand Ltd

Christchurch, New Zealand.

www.healthnz.co.nz

I do get a feeling that the FDA is reaching a bit when it shows concern over concerns of long term exposure of propylene gycol. It's been in cake mix, cosmetic, soda, beers and various food products for years. A lot of the "anti" people like to use ethylene glycol and propylene glycol in the same sentence, causing hysteria.

Anyway, enough time wasted on this subject. Have a great day.

 

 

That's not a study.

 

Here is some information on what a research study is:

 

http://www.gslis.utexas.edu/~ssoy/usesusers/l391d1b.htm

 

Whenever you want to look at facts to make a decision, you will want to find a "peer-reviewed" research study.

 

"Peer-reviewed research is the gold standard of mainstream science. A peer-reviewed article has been critically read and reviewed by trained scientists. Peers are given the opportunity to anonymously comment on the adequacy of the experimental design and the validity of the conclusions that are drawn from the scientific work under review. The publication of research in a peer-reviewed journal means that the article has passed the scrutiny of fellow scientists. Studies that have not been through peer-review are not necessarily flawed, but peers have not been given the opportunity to judge the scientific merit of the results that are derived from such studies"

 

http://animalscience.ucdavis.edu/animalbiotech/Biotechnology/mas/Peer_Reviewed_Studies.htm

 

Questions you should ask when looking at information:

 

1.) Why is the study being done.

2.) Have the person/persons facilitating the study done this before?

3.) Who is running the study?

4.) Who are the researchers, doctors, and scientists? Who do they work for?

5.) Is the government involved? Who else is involved?

6.) Who is paying for the study?

7.) Who will benefit financially from the results of the study? Are they involved directly with the study?

8.) Is the study open to public peer review?

9.) How is the study explained to the community?

10.) Will results be in places the public will see?

11.) What is done with incidental findings?

 

An example of a study is this attached PDF on secondhand smoke (obviously unrelated to our discussion, but does discuss the effects of second-hand nicotine). As you see, it must quote all findings, sources, etc. No studies have been done on e-cigs yet. An article written by an unknown on the internet is not a study.

[2SeaWithMe]

I think the point is being missed.

 

Yes, plants in the family of tobacco (the nightshade family)...like potatoes, eggplants, and others...carry a minimal amount of nicotine. Regardless of possible nicotine exposure in nature, that does not trump the effects on say, a fetus, someone with an allergy, etc.

 

Furthermore, while I've said before...I'll gladly support someone's right to smoke where it's allowed. And I consider vaping smoking. However, in a non-smoking environment, regardless of what someone thinks or believes about toxins or poisons in the air or food, I have the right to not have nicotine laced vapor in my vicinity. Your habit does not trump my rights.

 

Now to return to the much used and little proved argument of nicotine in foods.

 

The nicotine in vegetables is so low, that one would have to eat 100kg of tomatoes to equal the exposure from one half cigarette.

 

Ingesting nicotine is not the same as inhaling it...stomach absorption is not only poor, but 70% of nicotine entering circulation is first metabolized by the liver.

 

Teas have a higher level of nicotine, but I haven't seen specific information on tea because what is involved is loose leaf tea, which varies widely in brewing strengths, and because it is not ingested, there are many unknowns.

 

If a vegetable is cooked in water, nearly all of the nicotine is lost.

[capndinghy]

So put on your big girl pants if you're willing to venture outside of your nanny state to cruise on a foreign ship that allows smoking. Sheesh, this isn't even a smoking thread and we're bombarded yet again by your soapbox. News flash - many of us don't care about you either. You know by now where the smoking and non-smoking areas are on the ship so navigate accordingly.

 

Well Said. Here ... Here.

I should think one could some your e-cig anywhere. There is no smoke or residue emitted from it..correct?

Or better yet..just get a pack of Marlboros and head for the Starboard (Smoking Permitted) side of the ship> :)

[glrounds]

I don't see what caffiene has to do with this?

 

Nor do I consider it my business or responsibility to worry about the health of fellow cruisers

 

I will admit...my own reasoning about disliking smoking doesn't even have much to do with "health">> I personally don't care if others are addicted to nicotine

 

I just HATE the nasty smell and stench of smoke and smokers...yuck

 

I don't care if people addicted to nicotine (a drug) get their fix from a patch or gum or a "vape" ecig....I don't care if they satisfy their oral fixation with gum, a pacifier or whatever...I don't care if they indulge their "busy hand" habit with crocheting or squeezing a rubber ball....none of that bothers or affects me

 

but..when they are all they puffing on real cigarettes it smells...the smoke makes my (blue, contacts) eyes water....living in a state with strict regulations and no indoor smoking I am just NOT used to it

I hate the smell...the smoke...I hate the look and stench of the ugly butts in filled up ashtrays....I hate the smoky air and the way it clings to my clothes, hair....I feel dirty from it...I hate the haze and smoke in the piano bar....I hate smoking period

It grosses me out

 

So if people addicted to nicotine want to suck pacifiers or play with worry beads , wear a patch or puff vapor to satisfy their addiction that is ok with me...I am only concerned about the fact that smoke inside is so weird and annoying and keeps me from enjoying some places like piano bar, casino,

and even the disco

 

I also really dislike dodging lit cigarettes....a couple of years ago my friends dress was burnt by a jerk on the dance floor with a lit cig...gross

 

and yeah...I worry about fires....the ecigs would solve that problem also

 

Carnival should sell them on board, make more money..give "seminars" like they do their "detox" seminars :)

 

I would guess, cigars are probably out too, right ? :rolleyes:

[graphicguy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Please make this stop.....PULLLLEEEEZE! I'm begging!

[glrounds]

Here is the site for the one I use

 

www.smokesation.com

 

and a code for 10% off "sena"

 

Thanks for the site, goldwinger. Great video of Heigl with Letterman "smoking" it.:)

Any other information you may provide would be very helpful. Cost? Effectiveness? battery life? whatever. :D

Thanks again,

[goldwinger88]

Thanks for the site, goldwinger. Great video of Heigl with Letterman "smoking" it.:)

Any other information you may provide would be very helpful. Cost? Effectiveness? battery life? whatever. :D

 

Thanks again,

 

No worries.

 

I went with the basic kit with 2 batteries. I wish I had gone with the pcc since I work from home and sit in front of the computer all day. I find that I have to change batteries at least once a day. But I just keep one in the charger all the time so they are fresh. When the battery is low, it blinks and you cant draw on it. But the charge time is about an hour and a half and i just attach it to my usb hub on the PC

 

I smoked Salem Ultra Lights 100 (Salem Silver 100's) and I found the e-cig menthol a bit minty, but I have gotten used to it after a full week of use and actually prefer it to other flavors that are out there.

 

As for effectiveness. I have not had a tobacco cigarette in 1 week. I have sat around others smoking and did not want one, I simply vaped on my e-cig. I will probably see more converts next weekend when I go to breakfast.

 

Hope this helps.

[blindrid]

That's not a study.

 

Here is some information on what a research study is:

 

i could care less what a true definition of a study is as I'm not a scholarly MD type. All I can suggest is that the "report" (does that make you feel better?) was authored by and his bio:

 

Dr Murray Laugesen is New Zealand’s most experienced researcher on smoking policy and cigarettes. He founded Health New Zealand Ltd as his research and consultancy company in 1995, after 18 years as principal medical officer in the Department, (now Ministry) of Health, and Public Health Commission. Since 1995, Dr Laugesen focused first on policy and policy advocacy (see www.endsmoking.org.nz ) and then research. (www.healthnz.co.nz/coynews.htm) The aim is the same: reduce cancer and heart disease and create a healthier, cigarette-free New Zealand. In 2006, he shifted office from Auckland to his home city, Christchurch.

I suggest that his knowledge and pedigree far outweighs mine on the subject. Obviously, you cannot and should not believe everything you read on the net but this guy at least makes sense.

The "nictoine laced vapor" does not linger and still is an overreaction from the non-smoking fanatics.

[okwriter]

I, for one, am really peeved at goldwinger. I now have less time to spend at Cruise Critic because I'll be obsessed with that "other" forum. :rolleyes:

 

Seriously, thanks again, goldwinger, for posting that site link. ;) I'd heard of e-cigs and knew they sold some type of kit locally at a smoke shop but never inquired further. My sister also knows someone in Maine who smokes e-cigs, but I never asked any questions about it.

 

I never dreamed there were so many products and options---or that there were folks from around the world who "vape" and who are so willing to help others learn about it. Their posts are educational and their stories are quite inspirational!

 

I ordered the 510 yesterday. :) Hey, I'm willing to give it a shot! But if I run into any of those "peer schmeer" folks on a cruise, I'm abandoning the e-cig and following them around with a full-blown cigarette! :D

[jlb1484]

If I was in a smoking section, I wouldn't expect anyone smoking or vaping to move. I'm in THEIR space. However, vaping expels nicotine...why should I have to inhale nicotine if I don't want to, get my point? You're absolutely entitled to continue your habit, but I don't see why your habit gets the right to infringe on my airspace. So, for instance, I would have an issue with someone sitting next to me in the MDR vaping...outside, probably not so much if there was air moving.

 

 

I think your point is just a little dull. Most if not all vaping liquid is offered with or without nicotine and not all liquids expel a vapor. As far as infringing on your space, do like you would do in any other "expel" situation move on. Vaping is not smoking, your space is myspace. I'm sure we can coexist.

[KFinTx]

I have not even seen one yet,:o but I have read they don't produce any smoke or smell.

If that is the case, why would they have to go to the smoking areas?:confused:

 

Actually, there is a bit of a smell, at least for me. I'm very allergic to cigar/cigarette smoke, though. I've heard a lot about E-cigs & seen them on sale at malls. I got a very ticklish feeling in my throat when I stood near the machines. Perhaps it was that particular brand.

 

I think it's good that they're available for those who want to cut down or stop smoking, but it's still "smoking."

[FreQuentKruser]

Hi everyone, I am FreQuentKruser and the one who was doing so much of the posting of information about the ecigs on the Royal Caribbean message board.

 

I had my first "vape" of an ecig nearly 3 months ago and have been vaping ever since. I had smoked Marlboro Reds 40 years. I had no desire to stop smoking, I had no plan to stop smoking .. however from that very first "vape" I have never even wanted to have another cigarette, it has been an amazing trip.

 

I taught many people on the Royal Caribbean message board about the benefits of ecigs .. and was then joined on that board by others who then purchased an ecig kit, tried it and quit smoking real cigarettes too.

 

Many of us then went to the http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com website, which is full of others who have quit smoking and now use ecigs, and we started a thread there. It is called "Cruise ship passengers and ecigs". If you go to the e-cigarette-forum you will find our thread in the "travel" section.

 

My doctor and many of my friends who are RNs were so very excited when they learned I had stopped smoking "analogs" and was now vaping "electronically". I had been very ill for 6 months and could not say one sentence without coughing, my ankles had turned purple from lack of circulation, and I could not take a full breath. Within 48 hours of vaping my cough totally stopped and my breathing became deeper. Within 2 weeks of vaping all of the purple blotches on my ankles not only got better, they totally went away!

 

My husband and I cruise all the time, every 4-6 weeks. We just returned from 2 back-to-back cruises to the Baltic and I vaped on the airplanes, in all of the airports, all over the ship, on the excursion bus and even in the Hermitage Museum in St Petersburg. That said, I didnt blantantly blow vapor rings LOL, I did it discreetly but none-the-less no one said one word .. because they cant smell a thing.

 

It is vapor .. it is not smoke. It is the same vapor that is used in asthma machines, in the smoke machines at concerts, it is the same vapor that is pumped thru the air ducts in hospitals to help purify the air. It is a mist, the same mist that you sometimes see come out of the vents inside an airplane.

 

I'm happy to see that many of you are already vaping and I hope more smokers make the same decision .. it is a wonderful thing!!! I started off vaping at a nicotine strength of 36mg, I chose that strength because I was such a heavy smoker. But within a few weeks of starting to vape I cut down to 24mg. Then a month later I cut down to 16 mg and in another week I plan to cut down to 12mg.

 

Sorry to see that your thread here has a "few" people on it who are against the most wonderful invention to ever come to a smoker. Yes the FDA has not approved them, and yes some states want to ban them. Why? Well in my case my state is no longer getting all the tax money it use to get from me when I bought cigarettes. And the USA government isnt getting it's federal share of my cigarette taxes. And big tobacco isnt making a penny on me either. So, will I ever see ecigarettes "approved" by the US government .. hahaha .. doubt it. They want the tax money more than they want me to quit smoking something that contained over 4,000 deadly chemicals. Now I have one chemical, nicotine .. and my doctor applauds it and has even started giving out cards to all of his patients who still smoke, encouraging them to go buy ecigs!

 

My nickname n the e-cigarette-forum is stashbldr .. there are many of us from various cruise ships over there, come on over and say hi and if you need any help or have questions we'd love to help you.

 

Happy vaping everyone .. vape on :)

[okwriter]

Thank you, FreQuentKruser for that VERY informative post. I doubt you'll change the minds of those "few" you mentioned... but I appreciate you taking time to post on the Carnival board.

[e150club]

Frequentkruser: Thank's for posting, That's great that you are in better health now. I ordered a "510" today. I had bought a #7 disposable just to try and now went for a kit. I hope it works for me as it did for you. Thanks.

[LHP]

Thank you, FreQuentKruser for the info....

 

even though I am a nonsmoker....I come from a family of smokers and I can't wait to tell them about vaping!!!

[jandjfun]

Actually, there is a bit of a smell, at least for me. I'm very allergic to cigar/cigarette smoke, though. I've heard a lot about E-cigs & seen them on sale at malls. I got a very ticklish feeling in my throat when I stood near the machines. Perhaps it was that particular brand.

 

I think it's good that they're available for those who want to cut down or stop smoking, but it's still "smoking."

cig. smoke is not an allergent, it is an irratant. And just standing next to the machine?? Well, I say you have something else going on in your head. But hummm....OK.:rolleyes:

Hi everyone, I am FreQuentKruser and the one who was doing so much of the posting of information about the ecigs on the Royal Caribbean message board.

 

I had my first "vape" of an ecig nearly 3 months ago and have been vaping ever since. I had smoked Marlboro Reds 40 years. I had no desire to stop smoking, I had no plan to stop smoking .. however from that very first "vape" I have never even wanted to have another cigarette, it has been an amazing trip.

 

I taught many people on the Royal Caribbean message board about the benefits of ecigs .. and was then joined on that board by others who then purchased an ecig kit, tried it and quit smoking real cigarettes too.

 

Many of us then went to the http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com website, which is full of others who have quit smoking and now use ecigs, and we started a thread there. It is called "Cruise ship passengers and ecigs". If you go to the e-cigarette-forum you will find our thread in the "travel" section.

 

My doctor and many of my friends who are RNs were so very excited when they learned I had stopped smoking "analogs" and was now vaping "electronically". I had been very ill for 6 months and could not say one sentence without coughing, my ankles had turned purple from lack of circulation, and I could not take a full breath. Within 48 hours of vaping my cough totally stopped and my breathing became deeper. Within 2 weeks of vaping all of the purple blotches on my ankles not only got better, they totally went away!

 

My husband and I cruise all the time, every 4-6 weeks. We just returned from 2 back-to-back cruises to the Baltic and I vaped on the airplanes, in all of the airports, all over the ship, on the excursion bus and even in the Hermitage Museum in St Petersburg. That said, I didnt blantantly blow vapor rings LOL, I did it discreetly but none-the-less no one said one word .. because they cant smell a thing.

 

It is vapor .. it is not smoke. It is the same vapor that is used in asthma machines, in the smoke machines at concerts, it is the same vapor that is pumped thru the air ducts in hospitals to help purify the air. It is a mist, the same mist that you sometimes see come out of the vents inside an airplane.

 

I'm happy to see that many of you are already vaping and I hope more smokers make the same decision .. it is a wonderful thing!!! I started off vaping at a nicotine strength of 36mg, I chose that strength because I was such a heavy smoker. But within a few weeks of starting to vape I cut down to 24mg. Then a month later I cut down to 16 mg and in another week I plan to cut down to 12mg.

 

Sorry to see that your thread here has a "few" people on it who are against the most wonderful invention to ever come to a smoker. Yes the FDA has not approved them, and yes some states want to ban them. Why? Well in my case my state is no longer getting all the tax money it use to get from me when I bought cigarettes. And the USA government isnt getting it's federal share of my cigarette taxes. And big tobacco isnt making a penny on me either. So, will I ever see ecigarettes "approved" by the US government .. hahaha .. doubt it. They want the tax money more than they want me to quit smoking something that contained over 4,000 deadly chemicals. Now I have one chemical, nicotine .. and my doctor applauds it and has even started giving out cards to all of his patients who still smoke, encouraging them to go buy ecigs!

 

My nickname n the e-cigarette-forum is stashbldr .. there are many of us from various cruise ships over there, come on over and say hi and if you need any help or have questions we'd love to help you.

 

Happy vaping everyone .. vape on :)

Thanks for stopping by and giving us the information. Perhaps some of the non believers should visit that site and educate themselves before they voice an opinion. :)

[FreQuentKruser]

Frequentkruser: Thank's for posting, That's great that you are in better health now. I ordered a "510" today. I had bought a #7 disposable just to try and now went for a kit. I hope it works for me as it did for you. Thanks.

 

 

Congratulations! I have a Joye 510, I also have a KR808D-1 and I also have a "wetbox" .. teehee, sounds nasty huh? Dont worry, it isnt LOL. The one I use the most is my KR808D-1.

 

When I first started vaping I did have an "eGo", which is a 3 piece device .. it has a separate battery, a separate atomizer and a separate cartridge where the liquid goes. But I found it easier if I got a 2-piece one. The 2-piece ecigs have a battery and then an atomizer that is one unit with the cartridge, called a "cartomizer". Very very easy to refill a cartomizer and you can do it fast, which works for me :) In my opinion you cant go wrong with either a Joye 510 or a KR808D-1 as your first ecig PV (PV stands for personal vaporizer), they are both well made and easy to get supplies for.

 

As for the liquids that I use, I tried many different suppliers before finally finding the liquids I like the most, for me those are from Tasty Vapor which is a private USA e-liquid maker in Calif. Yum-yum, tonight I've been vaping German Chocolate Cake, this afternoon I was vaping Caramel Popcorn and then switched to my Banana Cream Pie. And every morning I vape my Cafe Mocha or my Cafe Macchiato or my Dulce de Leche :)

[FreQuentKruser]

Thanks for stopping by and giving us the information. Perhaps some of the non believers should visit that site and educate themselves before they voice an opinion. :)

 

Hi JandJ .. I've never quite understood how some people can voice an opinion when they havent studied the subject they are voicing their opinion about. I also find it amazing that so many doctors themselves are not only totally in support of e-cigs but some of them are actually GIVING them to their patients. We have one at the RCI board who bought 12 ecig kits to give to his patients, and all 12 of those patients quit smoking and now vape.

 

There is a hospital in NY which has been not only non-smoking for many years but didnt even allow smoking in it's parking lot. That same hospital just turned one of it's employee break rooms into a vaping room, inside the hospital!

[Stircrzy]

I, for one, am really peeved at goldwinger. I now have less time to spend at Cruise Critic because I'll be obsessed with that "other" forum. :rolleyes:

 

Seriously, thanks again, goldwinger, for posting that site link. ;) I'd heard of e-cigs and knew they sold some type of kit locally at a smoke shop but never inquired further. My sister also knows someone in Maine who smokes e-cigs, but I never asked any questions about it.

 

I never dreamed there were so many products and options---or that there were folks from around the world who "vape" and who are so willing to help others learn about it. Their posts are educational and their stories are quite inspirational!

 

I ordered the 510 yesterday. :) Hey, I'm willing to give it a shot! But if I run into any of those "peer schmeer" folks on a cruise, I'm abandoning the e-cig and following them around with a full-blown cigarette! :D

 

I ordered mine yesterday, too, Rita!! And if they give us grief, I'll follow behind you with my Virginia Slims!

Keep me posted on how you're doing vaping...I may get a holder and call it "vamping"! :D

[jlb1484]

Congratulations! I have a Joye 510, I also have a KR808D-1 and I also have a "wetbox" .. teehee, sounds nasty huh? Dont worry, it isnt LOL. The one I use the most is my KR808D-1.

 

When I first started vaping I did have an "eGo", which is a 3 piece device .. it has a separate battery, a separate atomizer and a separate cartridge where the liquid goes. But I found it easier if I got a 2-piece one. The 2-piece ecigs have a battery and then an atomizer that is one unit with the cartridge, called a "cartomizer". Very very easy to refill a cartomizer and you can do it fast, which works for me :) In my opinion you cant go wrong with either a Joye 510 or a KR808D-1 as your first ecig PV (PV stands for personal vaporizer), they are both well made and easy to get supplies for.

 

As for the liquids that I use, I tried many different suppliers before finally finding the liquids I like the most, for me those are from Tasty Vapor which is a private USA e-liquid maker in Calif. Yum-yum, tonight I've been vaping German Chocolate Cake, this afternoon I was vaping Caramel Popcorn and then switched to my Banana Cream Pie. And every morning I vape my Cafe Mocha or my Cafe Macchiato or my Dulce de Leche :)

 

 

Hello fellow KR808D-1 user. I completely agree with the ease of use of this unit. If you haven't already you need to try the soft tip cartomizers. They make it even easier to refill.

 

Dang you weren't kidding about being a FreQuentKruser. I'm jealous!

 

It's been 6 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours and 18 mins since my last real cigarette. :D

[redveghead]

FreQuentKruser, you have been a wealth of information on all these different threads on two sites. Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge! Look for me on the "other" forum when I can find time to formulate a post...that site is blocked from my work as "tobacco" (but I can get to here, and certain e-cig manufacturers websites, go figure). Again, thank you!

[PTJD]

cig. smoke is not an allergent, it is an irratant.

 

You are correct! http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=320085&highlight= From 2006.

[KFinTx]

cig. smoke is not an allergent, it is an irratant. And just standing next to the machine?? Well, I say you have something else going on in your head. But hummm....OK.:rolleyes:

 

The machines were turned on, churning out smoke, or vapor, as well as somewhat unpleasant odors, so it wasn't "something else going on in my head." :rolleyes: But I suppose you're also in denial about the effects of 2nd hand smoke, so the mockery & condescension is to be expected.

 

And I was diagnosed as being allergic to cigar/cigarette smoke, went through all the skin tests, shots, the whole bit. But I suppose as a smoker who doesn't care about the effects of your habit, that was "something else going on in my head" as well, & I made up out of whole cloth all the times I've been around smokers & in their houses, & came away with plugged up sinuses, dry, red patches on my skin, & burning, red eyes. :rolleyes:

 

BTW, way to treat someone who is otherwise sympathetic to those trying to kick the nasty smoking habit. I saw what it did to my parents, & I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[FreQuentKruser]

Here's a video clip of Katherine Heigl vaping an Electronic Cigarette on the David Letterman show the other night.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxZjGUiaIS0&feature=player_embedded

 

From the David Letterman show Sept 28,2010

[normie71]

You are correct! http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=320085&highlight= From 2006.

 

The machines were turned on, churning out smoke, or vapor, as well as somewhat unpleasant odors, so it wasn't "something else going on in my head." :rolleyes: But I suppose you're also in denial about the effects of 2nd hand smoke, so the mockery & condescension is to be expected.

 

And I was diagnosed as being allergic to cigar/cigarette smoke, went through all the skin tests, shots, the whole bit. But I suppose as a smoker who doesn't care about the effects of your habit, that was "something else going on in my head" as well, & I made up out of whole cloth all the times I've been around smokers & in their houses, & came away with plugged up sinuses, dry, red patches on my skin, & burning, red eyes. :rolleyes:

 

BTW, way to treat someone who is otherwise sympathetic to those trying to kick the nasty smoking habit. I saw what it did to my parents, & I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

 

I take it you didn't read the quoted thread before replying?

 

:o

 

That said, I am seriously considering the move to the e-cig...