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By Berniecruiser53,
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Evilgrin72

Evilgrin72

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I guess we will have to just agree to disagree on this.

 

The only thing I will say, is that if Celebrity were to raise the price of my cruise fare to pay for someone alcohol, I'd simply find another cruise line. That is, unless they will also pay for my gambling and spa treatments and shore excursions as well LOL.

 

Thanks for the debate and thanks for keeping it civil, it is much appreciated.

 

Likewise ! I appreciate you not resorting to the :rolleyes: smiley or any of that condescension. And for what it's worth, I believe excursions and spa treatments are WAY overpriced too - I wouldn't mind seeing them raise the upfront cost of the cruise and drop some of the outrageous upcharges for amenities, but it will never happen. That initial cruise fare is WAY too important, they need to get you in the door and then try to bleed you out.

 

As far as the casino goes, it's a vice I share with you, but the only ones that can lower that cost are us. *gulp* :)

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WELSH WIZARDS

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Anyone can do whatever he/she wishes, that's called free will. Of course there are consequences should you do something for which there are penalties. I CAN walk out on the street right now and shoot the first person I see. Of course, society doesn't want me to do that, so they attach a penalty to it, in this case, death or life imprisonment. That's a deterrent. The cruise lines attach a deterrent to booze smuggling as well, they'll confiscate it and give it back to you in a week. If you're willing to run that gauntlet, you can choose to bring alcohol on board.

 

Every human being is subjected to rules and regulations, most of us all our lives. Extraordinarily few of us follow every single rule put before us without questioning them. The amount of rules we choose to bend/break is a personal choice. Perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to impose our own morality on others. A little tolerance goes a long way, that's all I'm saying. I don't want or need to smuggle booze on board, but I'm not going to point the finger of judgment at someone who does. That's their choice.

What..!! ?? A little tolerance goes a long way..?

You are not going to point a finger...seriuosly. ?

I bet that if I was having dinner on the ship with your family and I swore quite mildly in front your children, or picked my nose , or was flatulent, poured my dinner on the table and eat it from there, that even these very mild misdemeanors would have your finger wagging like a wild thing, and your tolerence gone with the wind .

Please other people reading my post or Evilgrin72 's do not bring your children up to believe it's OK to break the rules.

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Evilgrin72

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What..!! ?? A little tolerance goes a long way..?

You are not going to point a finger...seriuosly. ?

I bet that if I was having dinner on the ship with your family and I swore quite mildly in front your children, or picked my nose , or was flatulent, poured my dinner on the table and eat it from there, that even these very mild misdemeanors would have your finger wagging like a wild thing, and your tolerence gone with the wind .

Please other people reading my post or Evilgrin72 's do not bring your children up to believe it's OK to break the rules.

 

That's quite an amazing statement to make, considering you don't know me from Adam. But please, rather than rational discourse, please continue to cast aspersions at my level of tolerance for others (or lack thereof.)

 

I'll tell you what, on your next cruise, please pick your nose, dump your dinner on the table and crop-dust the entire dining room. I promise if I'm there I won't say a word. I PROMISE. Deal?

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WELSH WIZARDS

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That's quite an amazing statement to make, considering you don't know me from Adam. But please, rather than rational discourse, please continue to cast aspersions at my level of tolerance for others (or lack thereof.)

 

I'll tell you what, on your next cruise, please pick your nose, dump your dinner on the table and crop-dust the entire dining room. I promise if I'm there I won't say a word. I PROMISE. Deal?

I am sorry you missed the point I have tried to make.

I was trying to point out in a silly, obviously unserious way, that most people really, really want other people to obey even simple rules.

That is how society works, and we all can live together in harmony on this tiny planet.

I apologize I failed so abysmally to make my point but ....society needs people to obey the rules or it breaks down.

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Ma Bell

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I have no idea what you mean by that first part, I think I've been consistent on my viewpoint throughout this discussion.

 

To the bolded, you're clearly implying that Celebrity's policies are meant to attract a more well-off, more mature crowd that enjoys the finer things rather than the "Walmart" crowd, a moniker I often see applied to Carnival cruisers, for example. What I'm wondering is how offering an all-you-can-drink package fits in with that marketing strategy. I've seen tons of open bar deals at bars/nightclubs all over the world, I don't think I've ever seen one at the Ritz-Carlton. I'm having a tough time reconciling your contention that not allowing people to smuggle liquor is a policy built to prevent in-room over-consumption from a cruise line that is all over the ship peddling a "drink all you want" package. Those are two diametrically opposed ideas and that's what makes your argument intrinsically incorrect.

 

Also, tons of people eschew a massage in the spa for $200 and get one on the beach at Costa Maya for $25, for example. Doing so would not constitute stealing because you're denying Celebrity a revenue stream.

 

Thank you, sincerely, for your wish that I enjoy my cruise, whether it was disingenuous or not (hard to tell in print_. I enjoy a philosophical discussion, which is what this has become.

 

I truly do hope you enjoy your cruise and I also enjoy a philosopical discussion. I wouldn't never classify people as "Wal Mart" people or suggest that someone needs to be of a certain financial status to enjoy the same kind of ambience. I'm the same person I have always been and I've had the experience and privilege to be both financially poor and fairly comfortable. In my experience, I find that enjoying a certain kind of atmosphere has little to do with how much money one has.

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Evilgrin72

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I am sorry you missed the point I have tried to make.

I was trying to point out in a silly, obviously unserious way, that most people really, really want other people to obey even simple rules.

That is how society works, and we all can live together in harmony on this tiny planet.

I apologize I failed so abysmally to make my point but ....society needs people to obey the rules or it breaks down.

 

That whole post was sarcastic? If so, I apologize for my response.. they need a 'sarcasm' smiley - sometimes it's hard to tell from the written word. :)

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Evilgrin72

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Will this thread ever end? by the way, I find the Spa prices consistently lower than what I pay in Maryland.

 

:shrug:

 

I'm about done with it... just wanted to maybe take up for the smugglers a little bit and hopefully give some folks a different vantage point on a hot button issue. Mutual understanding is always a good thing. If you're tired of it, there's no rule forcing you to check in ! ;)

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That whole post was sarcastic? If so, I apologize for my response.. they need a 'sarcasm' smiley - sometimes it's hard to tell from the written word. :)

 

There is. It's this: :rolleyes: It's even called "Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)"

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Bosjoe

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One thing I think we all can agree on is that these types of threads give the Rum Runner Company a ton of free publicity! :p

 

Hard to put a dollar value on this amount of FREE target marketing. :cool:

 

That is correct, thanks to this site I bought one. They do work. I have only used it a couple of times, for my in-room pleasure.

 

This butting heads from the all-mighty you can't do that crowd is overwhelming. Just say it is against the rules if you get caught you can lose your alcohol. Enough said.

 

Bringing a bottle of booze does not interfer with others on the ship. My booze is not second hand smoke, and it won't start a fire, as someone mentions candles and irons cigars. Those are far more dangerous and can affect everyone.

 

Lets all be adults here and agree to disagree and end it.

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mrsdoc3

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We are not talking about drinking something allowed by the ship, such as lemonade etc. , we are talking about rule breaking.

The cruise line makes the rules...we should stick to them , or sail with someone else.[/color]

We cannot pick and choose which rules we want to abide by.

All the people who want to fetch candles, irons , or smoke cigarettes and cigars, etc are then free to do exactly as they wish also..

 

Yes, that's the rule. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing the contention that smuggling liquor on board is stealing. If I drink only the wine that I am allowed to bring on, and then have my fill of wine and don't order wine at dinner or at a bar, I am not stealing. They have allowed me to do that. If I don't bring a bottle of wine on board, and don't order any at dinner or from a bar, I am not stealing. If an alcoholic comes on board and doesn't order wine at dinner or from a bar, he is not stealing. If I have no intention of buying anything from the bar, then how is that stealing? I chose not to purchase something. Not stealing, just a consumer choice.

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A Sixth?

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Originally Posted by A Sixth?

One thing I think we all can agree on is that these types of threads give the Rum Runner Company a ton of free publicity!

 

Hard to put a dollar value on this amount of FREE target marketing.

 

That is correct, thanks to this site I bought one. They do work. I have only used it a couple of times, for my in-room pleasure.

 

This butting heads from the all-mighty you can't do that crowd is overwhelming. Just say it is against the rules if you get caught you can lose your alcohol. Enough said.

 

Bringing a bottle of booze does not interfer with others on the ship. My booze is not second hand smoke, and it won't start a fire, as someone mentions candles and irons cigars. Those are far more dangerous and can affect everyone.

 

Lets all be adults here and agree to disagree and end it.

 

Here here, whether it's purchased on board or Rum Runnered in the effect of someone having a cocktail or two has effectively zero effect on fellow passengers.

 

As to "smuggling a bottle of booze, The effect on the cruise line is a possible loss in potential bar revenues , but I will underline that: potential alcohol sales.

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fishin' musician

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What..!! ?? A little tolerance goes a long way..?

You are not going to point a finger...seriuosly. ?

I bet that if I was having dinner on the ship with your family and I swore quite mildly in front your children, or picked my nose , or was flatulent, poured my dinner on the table and eat it from there, that even these very mild misdemeanors would have your finger wagging like a wild thing, and your tolerence gone with the wind .

Please other people reading my post or Evilgrin72 's do not bring your children up to believe it's OK to break the rules.

 

I think my kids and I would consider these acts, especially if performed sequentially, a vacation highlight (sure hope someone has the video going)!

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Wine-O

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I don't believe I've ever seen a thread beaten to a pulp quite like this one has. :p

 

Yeah, they are making a meal out of it. Who gives a rat's arse if someone gets a rum runner on board and has a nip or two in their stateroom? The ones who really care are probably those who don't indulge at all.

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ActingMature

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Yeah, they are making a meal out of it. Who gives a rat's arse if someone gets a rum runner on board and has a nip or two in their stateroom? The ones who really care are probably those who don't indulge at all.

 

Actually the "ones who really care are probably those" that really do believe in following the rules; those same rules that even YOU agree to by signing off on Celebrity's cruise contract.

 

After 167 posts, unfortunately it's quite obvious you still seem to have missed the point...

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Wine-O

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Actually the "ones who really care are probably those" that really do believe in following the rules; those same rules that even YOU agree to by signing off on Celebrity's cruise contract.

 

After 167 posts, unfortunately it's quite obvious you still seem to have missed the point...

 

LOL. No, I didn't miss a thing. :rolleyes: Obviously, you missed my point -- Mind your own business. :D

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