Norwegian Cruise Line will institute changes to its smoking policy for all sailings o

[gbearcruiser]

Not only Carnival....

 

 

UPDATE: As the health and well-being of our guests and crew is of the utmost importance, .

 

The specific changes prohibit smoking on stateroom balconies and limit smoking in the casino to players. On Norwegian Getaway and Norwegian Breakaway, smoking on The Waterfront will be permitted on the starboard side, except by the outdoor dining areas.

 

Norwegian’s complete smoking policy can be found here: http://*******/1mLpzkW. We thank our guests for their understanding and cooperation.

[wanderingjew]

Not only Carnival....

 

 

UPDATE: As the health and well-being of our guests and crew is of the utmost importance, .

 

The specific changes prohibit smoking on stateroom balconies and limit smoking in the casino to players. On Norwegian Getaway and Norwegian Breakaway, smoking on The Waterfront will be permitted on the starboard side, except by the outdoor dining areas.

 

Norwegian’s complete smoking policy can be found here: http://*******/1mLpzkW. We thank our guests for their understanding and cooperation.

 

http://www.ncl.com/faq#smoking

[Havingfun2010]

I think this news is awesome. Still believe Carnival needs to do the same (no smoking anyplace indoors except Casino)

[RuthlessBoss]

I think this news is awesome. Still believe Carnival needs to do the same (no smoking anyplace indoors except Casino)

 

Exactly WHERE indoors can we smoke??

[dominichunter]

I think this news is awesome. Still believe Carnival needs to do the same (no smoking anyplace indoors except Casino)

 

I can see it now. Your on the Magic, it's raining outside, 500 ppl flock to the casino. yikes

[tropicaledrink]

Exactly WHERE indoors can we smoke??

 

per Carnival's smoking policy....

 

Effective on voyages departing October 9, 2014, or thereafter, all staterooms and suite accommodations are an entirely smoke free environment, including the outside balcony.

· Cigarette and E-cigarette smoking will continue to be allowed in designated exterior open deck areas, as well as in our night club, and in certain areas within the casino and casino bar.

· Cigar and pipe smoking will continue to be allowed in designated exterior open deck areas only.

 

 

 

The nightclubs would be considered indoors correct? As well as the casino? The only thing that was really lost on this last change for indoor smoking was the Jazz Clubs.

[Jimmy Geegitz]

Well now who are all the smokers gonna sail with? They were headed to NCL but I guess that's out.

[KirkNC]

This will happen on all lines, just a matter of time.

[CRUZBUDS]

Well now who are all the smokers gonna sail with? They were headed to NCL but I guess that's out.

 

They can try HAL -- but they should probably plan on cruising soon, HAL can't be too far behind everyone else. :)

[Big_G]

I don't think Royal or Carnival has this wording do they?

 

The specific changes prohibit smoking on stateroom balconies and limit smoking in the casino to players.

[VacationCrazee]

I smoke but have no problem functioning within strict no smoking sitautions. None at all. In fact, I prefer it. Helps me cut back. With that said. . .

 

While I can understand the position of non-smokers (especially when their balcony is negatively affected by their smoking neighbors), these new policies do not come without a cost.

 

The major cruiselines' extreme non-smoking policies will chase away a good portion of their European and South American customers. A large portion. There is always going to be at least one major cruiseline that will not introduce a strict no smoking policy in order to gain the customers that these non-smoking cruiselines lose. It may also be the final lynch pin that sends a good portion of their smoking customers to land vacations for good. Europeans pay big big bucks to cruise in the Caribbean and are smokers in much higher numbers than American cruisers. They are not going to quit bc Carnival or NCL say so.

 

I believe someone earlier did an estimation that stated that at least 18% of any major cruiseline's customers are smokers. Exactly which line will be able to take a hit of even half that number of suddenly gone for good customers??? None. They can barely fill their ships now with rock bottom prices. . . .

 

I remember when Carnival had that one no-smoking ship on the West coast. That didn't last bc they could never fill the ship.

 

I believe the smoking restrictions will last but I see some sort of modification/compromise in the not too distant future. Perhaps one side of the ship's balconies (or maybe just a few decks of balcony cabins) and outdoor decks will be smoking allowed while the other side will be strictly enforced no smoking. The idea that you have to be gambling to smoke indoors on a NCL ship is beyond laughable. . . . Let's see how long that lasts. Hahahahahaha!!!

 

As for the comment, "smokers stay home and smoke", that is just juvenile.

 

I guess by this time next year those 7 day cruises will be going for $199 during the last 60 days just to try to fill the ship.

 

It was only a few years ago that Carnival came up with the great idea to charge solos double for any cabin on the ship. . . . Look at Carnival now!!!

 

Oh well. . . . time will tell.

[adaptabl]

I smoke but have no problem functioning within strict no smoking sitautions. None at all. In fact, I prefer it. Helps me cut back. With that said. . .

 

While I can understand the position of non-smokers (especially when their balcony is negatively affected by their smoking neighbors), these new policies do not come without a cost.

 

The major cruiselines' extreme non-smoking policies will chase away a good portion of their European and South American customers. A large portion. There is always going to be at least one major cruiseline that will not introduce a strict no smoking policy in order to gain the customers that these non-smoking cruiselines lose. It may also be the final lynch pin that sends a good portion of their smoking customers to land vacations for good. Europeans pay big big bucks to cruise in the Caribbean and are smokers in much higher numbers than American cruisers. They are not going to quit bc Carnival or NCL say so.

 

I believe someone earlier did an estimation that stated that at least 18% of any major cruiseline's customers are smokers. Exactly which line will be able to take a hit of even half that number of suddenly gone for good customers??? None. They can barely fill their ships now with rock bottom prices. . . .

 

I remember when Carnival had that one no-smoking ship on the West coast. That didn't last bc they could never fill the ship.

 

I believe the smoking restrictions will last but I see some sort of modification/compromise in the not too distant future. Perhaps one side of the ship's balconies (or maybe just a few decks of balcony cabins) and outdoor decks will be smoking allowed while the other side will be strictly enforced no smoking. The idea that you have to be gambling to smoke indoors on a NCL ship is beyond laughable. . . . Let's see how long that lasts. Hahahahahaha!!!

 

As for the comment, "smokers stay home and smoke", that is just juvenile.

 

I guess by this time next year those 7 day cruises will be going for $199 during the last 60 days just to try to fill the ship.

 

It was only a few years ago that Carnival came up with the great idea to charge solos double for any cabin on the ship. . . . Look at Carnival now!!!

 

Oh well. . . . time will tell.

 

Maybe 1/4 of those 18% would not sail, about 4 1/2% that will be more than made up for by new non smokers who will now be willing to sail. No smoking will be a positive for the cruise lines. In 5-10 years I can see 100% non smoking on cruises. Remember when they stoped smoking on air liners. The smokers all called it the end of air travel. Really.........

[cruzinlisa]

I smoke but have no problem functioning within strict no smoking sitautions. None at all. In fact, I prefer it. Helps me cut back. With that said. . .

 

While I can understand the position of non-smokers (especially when their balcony is negatively affected by their smoking neighbors), these new policies do not come without a cost.

 

The major cruiselines' extreme non-smoking policies will chase away a good portion of their European and South American customers. A large portion. There is always going to be at least one major cruiseline that will not introduce a strict no smoking policy in order to gain the customers that these non-smoking cruiselines lose. It may also be the final lynch pin that sends a good portion of their smoking customers to land vacations for good. Europeans pay big big bucks to cruise in the Caribbean and are smokers in much higher numbers than American cruisers. They are not going to quit bc Carnival or NCL say so.

 

I believe someone earlier did an estimation that stated that at least 18% of any major cruiseline's customers are smokers. Exactly which line will be able to take a hit of even half that number of suddenly gone for good customers??? None. They can barely fill their ships now with rock bottom prices. . . .

 

I remember when Carnival had that one no-smoking ship on the West coast. That didn't last bc they could never fill the ship.

 

I believe the smoking restrictions will last but I see some sort of modification/compromise in the not too distant future. Perhaps one side of the ship's balconies (or maybe just a few decks of balcony cabins) and outdoor decks will be smoking allowed while the other side will be strictly enforced no smoking. The idea that you have to be gambling to smoke indoors on a NCL ship is beyond laughable. . . . Let's see how long that lasts. Hahahahahaha!!!

 

As for the comment, "smokers stay home and smoke", that is just juvenile.

 

I guess by this time next year those 7 day cruises will be going for $199 during the last 60 days just to try to fill the ship.

 

It was only a few years ago that Carnival came up with the great idea to charge solos double for any cabin on the ship. . . . Look at Carnival now!!!

 

Oh well. . . . time will tell.

 

I agree that there will probably be a cruiseline that continues to allow smoking to catch that market. I personally don't smoke but my mother does and always books a balcony so she can smoke. Now that they changed the rule on that, I would not be surprised if she just did not cruise anymore.

 

As far as the non smoking ship experiment (wasn't it Paradise), I wonder if they did that again today and set it in south Florida (where the majority of ships are), if they would have the same results or if it would be more popular. I am not sure when that was, but the culture about smoking has changed in the past several years and smoking is being banned more and more.

[iconoclast]

Shares of NCLH (Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings) up eighteen cents. Remember when the smokers were insisting Carnival's stock was dropping for a less draconian smoking policy?

 

Wonder if you can get through to NCL right now, I'm sure all the smokers are cancelling all those cruises they booked a week ago after cancelling with Carnival.

[RuthlessBoss]

I agree that there will probably be a cruiseline that continues to allow smoking to catch that market. I personally don't smoke but my mother does and always books a balcony so she can smoke. Now that they changed the rule on that, I would not be surprised if she just did not cruise anymore.

 

As far as the non smoking ship experiment (wasn't it Paradise), I wonder if they did that again today and set it in south Florida (where the majority of ships are), if they would have the same results or if it would be more popular. I am not sure when that was, but the culture about smoking has changed in the past several years and smoking is being banned more and more.

 

I don't know if it would be more popular, but many would book it. I think the main losses were from lack of casino spending. People have also said they got tired of the same itinerary.

[fin]

As a former smoker and a usual balcony cruiser, I am very happy to see this change.

 

And I think the thought expressed above that a smoke-free ship in Florida might sell out is perhaps valid.

 

I also agree that Europeans are NOT gonna like this one bit. It is always a bit of a shock to walk into some place like a big airport in Italy and get knocked over by the wall of smoke inside. (well, maybe a few years ago now).

 

Not on this thread particularly, but I have seen smokers on other such discussions dismiss the complaints about smoking on balconies. It can and does travel instantly in the slipstream from where the smoker is smoking to other places where it may cause distress or even illness.

 

It would be nice to see them actually benefit from a policy change which is in almost everyone's best interest.

 

PS-No stats to back me up, but I have always FELT that smokers and heavy drinkers are represented in the cruise cohort in far larger numbers than in the general population. Maybe someone will pop up with some actual numbers to surprise or contradict me.

[kay1864]

PS-No stats to back me up, but I have always FELT that smokers and heavy drinkers are represented in the cruise cohort in far larger numbers than in the general population. Maybe someone will pop up with some actual numbers to surprise or contradict me.

US smoking rate is 18%, for Carnival it's just over 10% (per Carnival).

 

Given that smoking rates are higher among lower-income Americans, and lower among higher-income Americans, it's not too surprising that it's around 10% for cruisers.

Edited July 16, 2014 by kay1864

[KevInPitt]

I smoke but have no problem functioning within strict no smoking sitautions. None at all. In fact, I prefer it. Helps me cut back. With that said. . .

 

While I can understand the position of non-smokers (especially when their balcony is negatively affected by their smoking neighbors), these new policies do not come without a cost.

 

Also a smoker, I tend to agree here. All smoking should be prohibited in indoor locations, including the Casino but excluding a dedicated smoking venue such as an enclosed Cigar Bar.

 

There are all too many stories (perhaps inflated, perhaps not) of non-smokers who could not enjoy their balconies due to a neighbor’s propensity to chain-smoke on their balconies. Although I would enjoy a smoke on the balcony of my last cruise, it was never constant and never if I knew someone was outside on either side of me.

 

To me, having to go to a permissible smoking area is just as fair here as it is on land.

Edited July 16, 2014 by KevInPitt

[Cruise4Music]

Shares of NCLH (Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings) up eighteen cents. Remember when the smokers were insisting Carnival's stock was dropping for a less draconian smoking policy?

 

Wonder if you can get through to NCL right now, I'm sure all the smokers are cancelling all those cruises they booked a week ago after cancelling with Carnival.

 

How right you are.

 

They better get over to HAL really fast.

Edited July 16, 2014 by Cruise4Music

[Waterloomarc]

It's a win-win for me. No smell of smoke on my balcony AND the increased smoke in the casino will keep me out if there and save me money!

 

Fwiw smoke on the balcony never bothered me (non-smoker) but by god those idiots that insist on leaving your light on all night, well I'd throw them overboard!! ;)

 

 

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[RuthlessBoss]

US smoking rate is 18%, for Carnival it's just over 10% (per Carnival).

 

Given that smoking rates are higher among lower-income Americans, and lower among higher-income Americans, it's not too surprising that it's around 10% for cruisers.

 

People keep quoting percentages. How does Carnival know it's 10%!!! Did we hit an "I smoke/I don't smoke" button when we board a ship?:confused:

[pat55]

As a former smoker and a usual balcony cruiser, I am very happy to see this change.

 

And I think the thought expressed above that a smoke-free ship in Florida might sell out is perhaps valid.

 

I also agree that Europeans are NOT gonna like this one bit. It is always a bit of a shock to walk into some place like a big airport in Italy and get knocked over by the wall of smoke inside. (well, maybe a few years ago now).

 

Not on this thread particularly, but I have seen smokers on other such discussions dismiss the complaints about smoking on balconies. It can and does travel instantly in the slipstream from where the smoker is smoking to other places where it may cause distress or even illness.

 

It would be nice to see them actually benefit from a policy change which is in almost everyone's best interest.

 

PS-No stats to back me up, but I have always FELT that smokers and heavy drinkers are represented in the cruise cohort in far larger numbers than in the general population. Maybe someone will pop up with some actual numbers to surprise or contradict me.

Yes. I see you have heavy drinkers listed. But before you start restricting alcohol get to obesity

Restrict caloric intake and for heavens sake we need a surge of bacon police

[VacationCrazee]

Maybe 1/4 of those 18% would not sail, about 4 1/2% that will be more than made up for by new non smokers who will now be willing to sail. No smoking will be a positive for the cruise lines. In 5-10 years I can see 100% non smoking on cruises. Remember when they stoped smoking on air liners. The smokers all called it the end of air travel. Really.........

 

There is no comparison between a 2-6 hour flight to your destination and a 4-8 day vacation. . . .

 

The idea that a cruiseship will impose a fine is interesting. . .

 

How will they collect this money? Unless they have a signed receipt accepting the penalty and agreeing to pay the fine or video feed of the offense, how exactly does Carnival plan to collect the aforementioned fine???? Once off the ship, the smoker can just dispute the charge by saying, "it wasn't me. they have me confused with someone else" and Carnival then has to fight the credit card company. . . . Carnival is not going to do that. If they demand payment while on the cruise, that is just $250 less the person has to spend on the ship. Lose - lose for ole Carnival (or NCL as the case may be). Will they threaten to put the person off the ship if they don't pay upfront? If so, I believe the United States penal code views that as extortion. . . Again, if paid by credit card, not enforceable or collectable.

 

And, if a person repeatedly smokes in their room will they be put off the ship on some distant shore?? If so, when that smoker meets up with unfortunate misadventure while stranded, who is liable for any loss or injury?? Carnival would be foolish to go into court and explain that they left anyone on some island without proper resources simply because "they repeated smoked cigarettes on their balcony." Now that I type this, perhaps there was a more direct reason for Carnival ditching that No Smoking ship back in the day. . . . Any misfortune that befalls someone put off the ship who was not either clearly breaking a serious law or a danger to the other passengers would fall right in the pockets of Carnival. . . contract be darned. . . .

 

Sounds good in theory but just how far and how much risk is Carnival willing to substain over a 5 minute cigarette. . . . I am not anti the new policy. I am just wondering thru typing how much smoke and mirrors (excuse the pun) is involved in this "new" policy.

[gbearcruiser]

I know a lot of posters said they were going to NCL. I can now book a balcony without the worry that I might not enjoy it!

[firemanbobswife]

There is no comparison between a 2-6 hour flight to your destination and a 4-8 day vacation. . . .

 

The idea that a cruiseship will impose a fine is interesting. . .

 

How will they collect this money? Unless they have a signed receipt accepting the penalty and agreeing to pay the fine or video feed of the offense, how exactly does Carnival plan to collect the aforementioned fine???? Once off the ship, the smoker can just dispute the charge by saying, "it wasn't me. they have me confused with someone else" and Carnival then has to fight the credit card company. . . . Carnival is not going to do that. If they demand payment while on the cruise, that is just $250 less the person has to spend on the ship. Lose - lose for ole Carnival (or NCL as the case may be). Will they threaten to put the person off the ship if they don't pay upfront? If so, I believe the United States penal code views that as extortion. . . Again, if paid by credit card, not enforceable or collectable.

 

And, if a person repeatedly smokes in their room will they be put off the ship on some distant shore?? If so, when that smoker meets up with unfortunate misadventure while stranded, who is liable for any loss or injury?? Carnival would be foolish to go into court and explain that they left anyone on some island without proper resources simply because "they repeated smoked cigarettes on their balcony." Now that I type this, perhaps there was a more direct reason for Carnival ditching that No Smoking ship back in the day. . . . Any misfortune that befalls someone put off the ship who was not either clearly breaking a serious law or a danger to the other passengers would fall right in the pockets of Carnival. . . contract be darned. . . .

 

Sounds good in theory but just how far and how much risk is Carnival willing to substain over a 5 minute cigarette. . . . I am not anti the new policy. I am just wondering thru typing how much smoke and mirrors (excuse the pun) is involved in this "new" policy.

 

I don't know the answer, but I'm sure they have all the details worked out. Perhaps this would be better answered by someone on the RCI/Celebrity boards since they have already had this policy in effect for sometime. As I have sailed Celebrity numerous times and spent countless hours over there, I can assure you that it has already been dealt with.

 

And I'm sorry, I feel no sympathy for anyone that gets the boot for disobeying the rules no matter if it's smoking, being violent, etc. By them breaking the rules, they release Carnival of any and all liability once off the ship thus ending their voyage.