Disgusted Cruiser

[rkmw]

if only they sent down some decent ships so the senior people can sail on them, p&o are getting 2 more to their fleet but they are over 20 years old and the princess ones are getting on too

[Mum81]

My hubby would be shocked that you consider him old! He is 62 and works full-time in an outdoor trade. He is also building our new house and helping me raise our 7 year old son. When we have a day/night off from mum/dad duty, we go to the races, pubs, clubs, and love to holiday in las vegas! He loves the Green Thunder on Carnival Spirit.

 

When we go cruising we budget $100 per person, per day just to spend on the ship (not at ports). So I'm not sure where you get your information that old (over 60 :rolleyes:) people spend less money onboard.

 

Again, I'm not sure where you are getting your stats. Carnival and other companies would not be sending more ships here every year if they were sailing empty. I wonder what Carnival Corp would think of the views you are publicly expressing and the generalisations you are making about your customers :confused:

[dancinman66]

I am sorry I haven't been able to reply, as I have been working, I am on my break now. FYI I have been working for a number of years with Carnival Corp here in nth Syd. I have done many ship inspections and cruises myself. The demographics are older, I mean over 60 and they have a large penetration (on carnival in recent months it is 50%). Yes they have a right to cruise, I am not by any means refuting that. Yes Australia is ageing, and cruises are affordable holidays. All I am saying is that cruises have become infiltrated by older people. Older people bring in less revenue on lines such as princess or holland america, than revenue streams from carnival which has a younger demographic. Many times in reviews and feedback, it is said that cruises are for old people. Ultimately I see the industry crashing, from the difficulty in filling ships, from passengers choosing price first which lowers the base revenue and lastly onboard revenue decreasing. By all means cruise, it will continue to become of an older demographic as more retire.

 

 

You also seem to miss the point that there are a lot more younger people cruising due to the cost also

 

Go on the FUN ships and you will see lots of young people

Go on pacific cruises especially shirt ones and lots of young people

 

It is not an issue

Just go cruise with all the young people and they can complain about you when you get old

Industry is growing not dying and every pArt is setting it's own niche

Your judgement call us from a very limited base if 9 years and 12 cruises so find your arguments very unsubstantiated even if you worked for carnival

 

Enjoy your kiddies cruise during school hols and no problems

 

 

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[cruisine21]

Older people bring in less revenue on lines such as princess or holland america, than revenue streams from carnival which has a younger demographic.

 

I can't see how older people bring in less revenue. They don't get a senior's discount.

 

A lot of older people go to the bingo every day and that is a BIG revenue raiser.

[GUT2407]

I am sorry I haven't been able to reply, as I have been working, I am on my break now. FYI I have been working for a number of years with Carnival Corp here in nth Syd. I have done many ship inspections and cruises myself. The demographics are older, I mean over 60 and they have a large penetration (on carnival in recent months it is 50%). Yes they have a right to cruise, I am not by any means refuting that. Yes Australia is ageing, and cruises are affordable holidays. All I am saying is that cruises have become infiltrated by older people. Older people bring in less revenue on lines such as princess or holland america, than revenue streams from carnival which has a younger demographic. Many times in reviews and feedback, it is said that cruises are for old people. Ultimately I see the industry crashing, from the difficulty in filling ships, from passengers choosing price first which lowers the base revenue and lastly onboard revenue decreasing. By all means cruise, it will continue to become of an older demographic as more retire.

 

Interesting that you say "Yes they have a right to cruise" but then refer to those ancient creatures [oh my heavens over 60 of all dinosaurs] and then refer to them as having "infiltrated" certain lines.

 

Today over 60's have, on average, a higher disposable income than 30 somethings. If they are such poor spenders why oh why do those idiots at Princess and HAL target them?

 

Also may I ask why the title of the thread if you say they have the right to cruise? Just wondering.

Edited August 11, 2014 by GUT2407

[Reincruiseinated]

A lot of older people go to the bingo every day and that is a BIG revenue raiser.

 

"Older people" also do Ship organised Tours when in Port and I reckon there'd be some profit in that. Personally, I couldn't afford "Port Tours" until the kids left home so, when I was a younger cruiser, I spent less onboard than I do these days :D

[Wastegirl]

As a nearly 60 year old with a 61 year old hubby I can tell you, 60 is the new 40 :D

 

I have been on two South Pacific cruises and a New Zealand cruise - on HAL (which is rumoured to be full of oldies). The South Pacific cruises were chock full of people 30 and up (and some younger), a really good mix of ages. However the NZ cruise did have an older clientèle, but that didn't surprise me as this type of cruise was more of an interest to older people.

 

As the Mother of a 28 year old, I can tell you that cruising is of no interest to her, and it wasn't when I was her age. What she does is the Inca Pass in Peru, the highlands in Asia doing homestays, backpacking through Europe. So do all her friends. Very few of them want relaxing, probably boozy, ship holidays - they want adventure on a budget.

 

Once Kids come along it will be road trips and caravan parks (she loved those when she was a kid) and then maybe the odd Carnival family cruise, but knowing my daughter she will probably drag her kids along to some adventure or other, they can come with Grandma and Grandpa on cruises :)

[KarateMan]

I have cruised for 12 years since I was 20 years old and noticed some dramatic changes in the whole industry including the demographics.

 

I think over time more younger people have been doing cruises opposed to less.

 

As for older people there will come a time when they are no longer fit to travel at all. My grandparents for example are finding the cost of getting travel insurance as well as old age health problems is preventing them from travel. The chances of passengers over 80 these days is getting rare particularly if the cruise involves a flight. If the cruise does involve a flight then the age demographic is lower.

 

The issues I have taken main exception to is the financial cut backs of what used to be for free and then they give them back to you and charge a fee.

 

It is probably true that Australians are not brand loyal. Most Australians would not be able to tell apart the likes of Princess from Carnival.

 

I am now in my 30's and enjoy cruising and will continue to do so for many years. I spend all of my annual leave each year on a cruise ship and that has made me in the top loyalty levels of many lines clubs.

 

I too have been disappointed by some things done by cruise lines in recent years. The GFC hit many lines hard, there are some passenger types that are starting to cruise that are completely ruining the tradition of cruising in my opinion. The last thing I want to see on a cruise ship is the singlet top, thongs brigade with feet on seats turning a trendy place into a yobbo hangout.

 

So when it comes to the elderly versus the yobbos I would rather be on a cruise with the elderly. Provided the elderly are not yobbos.

[silverwillow]

Troll I think, either that or someone very narrow minded. So I'll bite. :rolleyes:

 

I am in my early forties and I'd much rather cruise with the oldies than some upstart.

 

You have it backwards anyway it's traditionally been older people cruising and as the market grows more families and young people are cruising.

 

You should show more respect for your elders.

[joybook]

Oh my goodness - I just realised that I am a day older than this time yesterday. But then again I really do feel much better now as I have just realised that all of you including the original poster is also a day older than this time yesterday - Yes I feel so much better now and I won't even have to claim a Medicare refund.:)

[sheridan318]

I wonder what Carnival would think of an EMPLOYEE giving out statistics on a board like this :confused: most companies expect information like that to be kept private within the company not broadcast to everyone, anyway im sure no matter what age Carnival is more than happy to take money from young andd old alike:)

[happysnapper]

You make us sound like the enemy and I quote "a mass infiltration of the elderly". Have you considered a career change?

[Gnomey]

Come in spinners! I think you may have been part of the great Australian sport of "Ant stirring". As a young person (I was once!) in the country, much fun could be had by poking a stick into an ants nest, then standing back to watch all the ants run about looking for the "attacker". Something like what has happened here. Quiet day on the forums, so maybe Cruisercool though they would raise a few comments?

It has been fun watching everyone run about commenting!

 

Gnomey.

[chchgirl]

I suppose I am considered an "old" cruiser since I will turn 72 soon. I remember being 16 and 21 and 30 and 50 and 65, etc. I dance, gamble, get massages, drink in the martini bars, sing along whenever possible, and am pretty good at trivia. I go to classes and entertainment and play games with fellow passengers. My friends consider me lots of fun - and isn't it nice that now that the children are grown, jobs have come and gone and I am a regular at Fred Astaire Studio to have the money to cruise!! I always look for a variety of ages on a cruise and can always find new friends in many age groups. People like us keep the cruise ships afloat - and pay lots of salaries that keep families going. All I hope is that I don't meet you on a cruise!

 

I'd love to meet you though, you sound like a blast! You had me at the martinis in the bar!!

[cruiselover53]

I am sorry I haven't been able to reply, as I have been working, I am on my break now. FYI I have been working for a number of years with Carnival Corp here in nth Syd. I have done many ship inspections and cruises myself. The demographics are older, I mean over 60 and they have a large penetration (on carnival in recent months it is 50%). Yes they have a right to cruise, I am not by any means refuting that. Yes Australia is ageing, and cruises are affordable holidays. All I am saying is that cruises have become infiltrated by older people. Older people bring in less revenue on lines such as princess or holland america, than revenue streams from carnival which has a younger demographic. Many times in reviews and feedback, it is said that cruises are for old people. Ultimately I see the industry crashing, from the difficulty in filling ships, from passengers choosing price first which lowers the base revenue and lastly onboard revenue decreasing. By all means cruise, it will continue to become of an older demographic as more retire.

 

 

Ann,Ann is that you ? Come on Miss Sherry no need to hide.We all love you very much.Have you been taking your tablets ?

[dancinman66]

Definitely a troll would say

Only joined today and done 2 only posts

 

Typical

 

I like old people they are more fun :)

Most of my friends are old people

 

 

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[Aussie FF]

Don't feed the troll:cool:

[Tredebo]

I deliberately avoid cruise lines that target the younger demo. Give me anecdotes and does-eat-oats over 'tude any day! Troll or not, disclaimer or not, the OP has no manners.

[Fletch1]

Funny how they started this post and left. Best thing to do is ignore.

 

 

I agree...not worth the time and energy in responding to.

[Cruise_me_Crazy]

I still don't get it! :confused:

 

So oldies have right to cruise, but not if they are "infiltrating" cruise lines??

Or is that "infiltrating" Carnival??

Or is it no more than 50% can "infiltrate" on the one cruise?

Can the other 50% just cruise with the rest of us? Or do they need to commit to a per day spend??

 

What if they "infiltrate" a spring break cruise in the US? Will they be sent home?? How about a holiday cruise here in Aus??

 

Do they need to be accompanied by youngsters who off set their age to average it down lower?? How about that X cruise that had 700 kids on board?? Now all the oldies should have been herded up and made to go n complete nan n pop duties whilst the feral parents spent up at the bars and casinos 'cause that is the only thing that cruise companies want their pax to do!! :D

 

Seriously OP, I don't get your rant!

[The_Big_M]

Come in spinners! I think you may have been part of the great Australian sport of "Ant stirring". As a young person (I was once!) in the country, much fun could be had by poking a stick into an ants nest, then standing back to watch all the ants run about looking for the "attacker". Something like what has happened here. Quiet day on the forums, so maybe Cruisercool though they would raise a few comments?

It has been fun watching everyone run about commenting!

 

I think we have a winner. :-)

[OzKiwiJJ]

Dear Abby,

 

I'm over 60! I'm getting worried about all these old folk that might be taking over my cruise.

 

Should this be a major concern? Should I cancel my cruise in case I get mown down by oldies on electric scooters?

 

Yours,

Young at heart but not in body.

 

:D:D:D

[dizzy1948]

I am sorry I haven't been able to reply, as I have been working, I am on my break now. FYI I have been working for a number of years with Carnival Corp here in nth Syd. I have done many ship inspections and cruises myself. The demographics are older, I mean over 60 and they have a large penetration (on carnival in recent months it is 50%). Yes they have a right to cruise, I am not by any means refuting that. Yes Australia is ageing, and cruises are affordable holidays. All I am saying is that cruises have become infiltrated by older people. Older people bring in less revenue on lines such as princess or holland america, than revenue streams from carnival which has a younger demographic. Many times in reviews and feedback, it is said that cruises are for old people. Ultimately I see the industry crashing, from the difficulty in filling ships, from passengers choosing price first which lowers the base revenue and lastly onboard revenue decreasing. By all means cruise, it will continue to become of an older demographic as more retire.

 

Some older cruisers used to be young cruisers - where do you fit it in...mmmm

and how appalling that older people should take price into consideration - like young people don't. Older people infiltrating cruises - what next. :eek:

At a rough guess, I'd say customer service is not one of your better attributes.

 

I know, I know, I shouldn't have bitten - but..what the heck.

Edited August 11, 2014 by dizzy1948

[dancinman66]

Don't feed the troll:cool:

 

 

Hey seija

 

Yeah your right

 

They are a real piece of work

How is everyone

Take care

Hugs all round

Greg

 

 

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[Lis2065]

I'm just sitting here wondering how to supercharge my mobility scooter so I can mow down all of those rich under 60's on my next cruise......

 

But wait, I'm under 60 and I don't ride a mobility scooter....

 

Not to worry, I have lots of friends I've met on cruises who are over sixty and a couple even have mobility scooters - perhaps they'd let me modify theirs!

 

Yeha!