Drink package Cheaters??

[postmeome]

Btw a vodka Coke isn't $13, it was $8 three weeks ago on board and that was Gray Goose. Yes specialty drinks and such are $10-15, which depending where you live isn't any higher than going to the local bar or having a drink at dinner. The average price of a martini where I live is $13, $8 if you go to happy hour and none of those places let me drink for $48 for 24 hours.

 

 

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$8 for a grey goose and coke,what board was you on?:confused:

[DCGuy64]

I find myself agreeing with those who argue that inconsistent and capricious application of the rules is partly to blame for some people flouting them. If cruise line staff themselves don't adhere to the rules, it's silly to assume some passengers won't, either. That said, I try to relax and enjoy myself on vacation and spend little time worrying about what others do.

 

 

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[BamaGuy44]

I am sorry that I can not convince you that the two are very similar and you are taking money out of the cruise lines pocket.

 

That's just not correct. They're taking the money out of their own pocket by allowing the water to be brought on board. It's their choice, just like they choose to presumably hurt their wine sales by allowing me to bring 2 bottles of wine. We're not talking about a lack of enforcement here, but actively choosing to allow it.

 

I'm aware the web site says you can bring wine and you can't bring water. But that doesn't change the fact that they choose to allow water much of the time.

[apocalyps3]

That's just not correct. They're taking the money out of their own pocket by allowing the water to be brought on board. It's their choice, just like they choose to presumably hurt their wine sales by allowing me to bring 2 bottles of wine. We're not talking about a lack of enforcement here, but actively choosing to allow it.

 

For the water, that doesn't change the fact that you're still violating a rule (which is what everyone pretends to be all itchy about).

 

Also, by that logic, if one RCI bartender doesn't question you for getting an OJ for someone not on your plan, then its okay to do?

Edited November 16, 2016 by apocalyps3

[eastender]

We recently did an MSC Med cruise. Drinks package (everyone in cabin) was £20 ($25) pppd. Included everything you could really want, beers, wines, cocktails, spirits, mixed drinks, fruit juices, specialty coffees, sodas, ice creams, milk shakes etc. NO premium brands. I'm guessing they make a healthy profit from it, so although RCI's package includes more choice, the $65 pppd is very high. Maybe they are already factoring in the cheaters.

[doones2]

I find myself agreeing with those who argue that inconsistent and capricious application of the rules is partly to blame for some people flouting them. If cruise line staff themselves don't adhere to the rules, it's silly to assume some passengers won't, either. That said, I try to relax and enjoy myself on vacation and spend little time worrying about what others do.

 

 

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Ditto. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't care if a couple is sharing a drink package. I wouldn't do it but I also wouldn't judge someone who does.

[BamaGuy44]

For the water, that doesn't change the fact that you're still violating a rule (which is what everyone pretends to be all itchy about).

 

Also, by that logic, if one RCI bartender doesn't question you for getting an OJ for someone not on your plan, then its okay to do?

 

If company employees carry the water to my room I don't see how I'm breaking a rule. It's clearly not a rule on that particular sailing, regardless of what the web site says. They are choosing to allow it just as they choose to allow wine.

 

I don't know about the OJ thing, but on Disney Dream a couple of weeks ago in their upcharge restaurant Palo, our waiter absolutely insisted that we let him make a to go plate for our son, who chose not to dine with us, and who didn't pay the fee. It's against their web site stated policy to carry food out of Palo. It seemed fine to me but maybe I have no ethics?

[atnolan94]

Is this argument really still happening????:confused::p

[Biker19]

[atnolan94]

 

I posted quite the similar photo about 20 replies ago but here we all are... :D Love the biker19 comedic relief!!

[davekathy]

Is this argument really still happening????:confused::p

 

I believe the person getting the biggest laugh out of all the reply's is the OP.

[GadgetGod]

If company employees carry the water to my room I don't see how I'm breaking a rule. It's clearly not a rule on that particular sailing, regardless of what the web site says. They are choosing to allow it just as they choose to allow wine. ...It seemed fine to me but maybe I have no ethics?

 

To imply you do not have ethics is silly, I think what people are trying to point out is that you (and others) are laser focused on one ethical dilemma while turning a blind eye to another similar problem.

 

You are breaking a rule because you are violating a known written policy of the cruise line, one that is frequently overlooked by RC (but not always).

 

Yes, the staff is complacent in your transgression, but it's still a violation of the rules relating to passengers. To get to the heart of the matter, are you OK with the sharing of the drink package if the bartender (another RC employee) provides multiple drinks to a single passenger knowing they are being shared? It is a similar common situation, and by your analysis, it should be fine since an employee "authorized" the sharing by providing multiple drinks on a single package. but to logically support one and not the other seems to point to the disconnect that some on this board are trying to point out. Myself, I am bothered by the harsh language that some choose to utilize on the issue when guilty of (or freely encouraging other to) a similar violation.

 

one last example-

I am a very good tipper. On my last cruise, the bartender, remembering me from the night before, would pour an overflowing glass of bourbon (easily 3 to 4 portions) if he poured me a single, the cruise line would have made a lot more money. I think the bar personal has some leeway when it comes to drink size and count (on my last night my drink was "on the house") Which camp does this fall into, the ok because authorized by an employee or a gross abuse of the system destined to raise everyone's drink prices forever?

[Beachdude]

Is this argument really still happening????:confused::p

 

It is interesting to watch. I think some forum members here just feel the need to flaunt their morality and start these kinds of discussions to do so. Kind of a self-esteem booster shot. I wonder how many of these moral streakers are part of the "It's my cruise" group.

 

Burt

[DCGuy64]

To imply you do not have ethics is silly, I think what people are trying to point out is that you (and others) are laser focused on one ethical dilemma while turning a blind eye to another similar problem.

 

 

 

You are breaking a rule because you are violating a known written policy of the cruise line, one that is frequently overlooked by RC (but not always).

 

 

 

Yes, the staff is complacent in your transgression, but it's still a violation of the rules relating to passengers. To get to the heart of the matter, are you OK with the sharing of the drink package if the bartender (another RC employee) provides multiple drinks to a single passenger knowing they are being shared? It is a similar common situation, and by your analysis, it should be fine since an employee "authorized" the sharing by providing multiple drinks on a single package. but to logically support one and not the other seems to point to the disconnect that some on this board are trying to point out. Myself, I am bothered by the harsh language that some choose to utilize on the issue when guilty of (or freely encouraging other to) a similar violation.

 

 

 

one last example-

 

I am a very good tipper. On my last cruise, the bartender, remembering me from the night before, would pour an overflowing glass of bourbon (easily 3 to 4 portions) if he poured me a single, the cruise line would have made a lot more money. I think the bar personal has some leeway when it comes to drink size and count (on my last night my drink was "on the house") Which camp does this fall into, the ok because authorized by an employee or a gross abuse of the system destined to raise everyone's drink prices forever?

 

 

 

Well said, indeed. I don't see this as beating a dead horse, as some do (although I found the various cartoons quite funny!). To me, it's not an argument as much as an online discussion. I think the poster above makes excellent points. One man's "breaking the rules" is another's "leeway." And surely this is a classic case of a first world problem. To me, it comes down to the difference between a staff member choosing to be generous on an individual basis vs passengers taking carte blanche advantage of lack of enforcement of the no sharing rule. As I stated before, I really couldn't care less if some people steal a drink here and there. There are far more important things to me on a cruise than playing hall monitor.

 

 

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[BamaGuy44]

 

You are breaking a rule because you are violating a known written policy of the cruise line, one that is frequently overlooked by RC (but not always).

 

By that pedantic interpretation I guess you're right technically. But we all know as a practical matter they choose to ignore the written policy and allow it at their own discretion. You won't find any RC employee that will tell you it's ok to share a drink package. That's the difference in my mind.

 

If you got on board and in the cruise compass it said sharing drink packages would be allowed for this cruise (I wish), would you still be breaking the rules because the web site says no sharing?

 

By the way this is not a huge moral issue to me, if someone wants to share a drink package whatever, I've done worse. I just don't like the lazy rationalizations and comparisons to bringing water on board since they are not the same thing at all in my mind.

Edited November 16, 2016 by BamaGuy44

[S.A.M.J.R.]

Is this argument really still happening????:confused::p

 

If people don't like a discussion, why even click on the thread?

 

Although I know Biker is trying to be humorous.

[Dazza1972]

I know at this moment in time - I feel like that horse lol....

Not in the mood to go to work for the next 12hrs

 

 

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[GadgetGod]

By that pedantic interpretation I guess you're right technically. But we all know as a practical matter they choose to ignore the written policy and allow it at their own discretion. You won't find any RC employee that will tell you it's ok to share a drink package. That's the difference in my mind.

 

But in my example, the RC employee is telling you it is ok to share, by pouring two drinks under one package and choosing to ignore the written policy.

 

If you got on board and in the cruise compass it said sharing drink packages would be allowed for this cruise (I wish), would you still be breaking the rules because the web site says no sharing?

 

Adjusts legal hat... i would argue in this case, that a modification of an adhesion contract where the party with the stronger bargaining power (the cruise line) unilaterally modifies giving the weaker party more rights under the agreement is allowed when performed in writing. In other words, you would not be breaking any rules in that case. However, if the compass instead said that the drink package was limited to 4 drinks a day and did not offer a refund, you would have a good case against the cruise line, given the language used to sell the package and the nature of the contract.

[troykahack]

Ditto. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't care if a couple is sharing a drink package. I wouldn't do it but I also wouldn't judge someone who does.

 

Bravo.... we both get drink packages.... not for the cost, but the hassle on the bill.. we get free drinks in the Casino and some drinks in the CL....

 

But, we don't care what others do except when we see prying eyes looking up our shorts...

[sfaaa]

 

one last example-

I am a very good tipper. On my last cruise, the bartender, remembering me from the night before, would pour an overflowing glass of bourbon (easily 3 to 4 portions) if he poured me a single, the cruise line would have made a lot more money. I think the bar personal has some leeway when it comes to drink size and count (on my last night my drink was "on the house") Which camp does this fall into, the ok because authorized by an employee or a gross abuse of the system destined to raise everyone's drink prices forever?

 

I would think not. Over pouring (to encourage a bigger tip from customers) or under pouring (so bartender can skim the tile or giving out free drink to friends) is a violation of internal control procedures and prohibited in most if not all hospitality industry establishments. Company has calculated how many drinks it can sell from each bottle and would budget its beverage cost and F&B sale revenue accordingly. Any deviation from this practice and drink control procedures affects its F&B bottom line and would encourage employee theft unless the freebie drinks are pre authorized by management and then properly rung into the system as guest promo for accounting and inventory control purpose. Undocumented free drinks is bad practice and revenue out the back door to any employer.

Edited November 16, 2016 by sfaaa

[Ery]

$8 for a grey goose and coke,what board was you on?:confused:

 

 

Oasis 3weeks ago

 

 

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[Mikeatl75]

I could care less what another adult is doing on a cruise, as long as they aren't endangering the rest of us....I mind my business! I don't work for Rc, so it is what it is

[easyboy]

I believe the person getting the biggest laugh out of all the reply's is the OP.

I believe so.

[GadgetGod]

I would think not. Over pouring (to encourage a bigger tip from customers) or under pouring (so bartender can skim the tile or giving out free drink to friends) is a violation of internal control procedures and prohibited in most if not all hospitality industry establishments. Company has calculated how many drinks it can sell from each bottle and would budget its beverage cost and F&B sale revenue accordingly. Any deviation from this practice and drink control procedures affects its F&B bottom line and would encourage employee theft unless the freebie drinks are pre authorized by management and then properly rung into the system as guest promo for accounting and inventory control purpose. Undocumented free drinks is bad practice and revenue out the back door to any employer.

 

I agree, but the fact remains that more often than not, (if I order one) my second drink is at least double my first, including on several cruise lines. I have never questioned it, nor have I ever returned a generous pour. Off topic but a good example of how a employee acting outside of company policy, can choose to allow violations (in this case likely as a result of a good tip).

[michaelaz]

Integrity isnt part time