Bomb Cyclone Breakaway: Cruise Credit Offer?

[NLH Arizona]

Yes, that is what it is,,, a "story". Every time it is told, the "fish" gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

Now they are blaming the ship for them getting the flu, colds, pink eye, pneumonia and bronchitis. Hopefully, I can blame NCL for the bronchitis I just got over.

[antsnanny]

Now they are blaming the ship for them getting the flu, colds, pink eye, pneumonia and bronchitis. Hopefully, I can blame NCL for the bronchitis I just got over.

 

 

Not me, my husband got sick also, I never once blamed the cruise line as we all know germs spread in confined areas and I cruise knowing that and I take precautions, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. I came off the Dawn a few years ago with Whopping Cough. I will bet money I didn't blame the cruise line on any of these sites. So you discredit what anyone says because of a few? I don't have a lawsuit nor am I part of any class action. I am a ticked off NCL cruiser who had some expectations that were would keep far enough behind a storm named a Bomb Cyclone, the pressure was falling for a while and it was predicted. So, please don't assume we all feel the same, some people considered it an adventure, others were concerned, others had too much to drink that night and some were terrified. I was there, I experienced it first hand.

[Farmer at sea]

Have you looks on You tube, there there. I have pictures of waves, I would estimate 30 to 40 ft. seas and the Beaufort scale was 10-12, past gale force winds which as we all know are worse than the sea swells. The wind was pushing the ship on its side by 10 degrees and every time it moved more we all wondered how much further it would list. 70+ cruises under my belt, a hurricane and a few nor easters. I have no problem with the Atlantic, I sail it 4 to 5 times a year but this was a bomb cyclone and the captain took us through Hatteras at the worst of it. It is a reasonable expectation that any cruise line would do its best to avoid storms and had we just slowed down an let the storm mover further north we probably would have been late but the ship would not have been damaged.

 

I've seen YouTube videos of the exact cruise you were saying you were on. I also see the small amount of movement compared to horizon with those waves.

If you have 70+ cruises that's great. But it doesn't matter if it's 5 or 500 cruises. Like I pointed out earlier. It's still your opinion based upon just your experience that it was so bad. No I wasn't onboard it but I'm aware of modern technology available in these size of ships. I know what I've been thru and what I see in videos would be far from worrying, hell I'd likely have been sitting in a nice comfortable big leatherback in the cigar bar and enjoying a sniffer of good brandy.

 

Weather wise- I'm sitting in the middle of a blizzard currently. Visibility is about 50' and they are calling for around 12-14" total snow.

 

To someone from down south that's never been in a blizzard, it might be super scary. Someone from a bit more north might have some concerns. I'm from were it's not uncommon and is our usual winter weather. So instead of complaining, I'm sitting here reading some, going to make some bread, and will start scooping out when the wind drops a bit.

[NLH Arizona]

Not me, my husband got sick also, I never once blamed the cruise line as we all know germs spread in confined areas and I cruise knowing that and I take precautions, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. I came off the Dawn a few years ago with Whopping Cough. I will bet money I didn't blame the cruise line on any of these sites. So you discredit what anyone says because of a few? I don't have a lawsuit nor am I part of any class action. I am a ticked off NCL cruiser who had some expectations that were would keep far enough behind a storm named a Bomb Cyclone, the pressure was falling for a while and it was predicted. So, please don't assume we all feel the same, some people considered it an adventure, others were concerned, others had too much to drink that night and some were terrified. I was there, I experienced it first hand.

Wasn't referring to you nor do I think everyone feels the same, but find it amazing what some will pile on thinking they will get money. NCL has been generous and, from what some are saying on their FB site, NCL is sticking firm with their offer.

[Erik_of_Montreal]

Heard from them yesterday -- nice letter, good intent, but too many caveats on using the cruise credit. Anyone have other experiences?

 

 

 

Hi Snooz Diva, out of curiosity, what was the credit offered by NCL?

 

Thanks.

 

 

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[antsnanny]

Telling your story becomes a problem because though you state things you feel are facts they are opinion based. Was it rough seas? To you maybe it was. But it's perspective based. If you've never seen anything over 5-10' seas then 20-25' would seem HUGE but in the context of things in the big picture of what can be they aren't really that bad.

It's like scuba diving. You can have log books full of dives, special dives, etc. But if all your dive time is in crystal clear waters of the Caribbean with perfect conditions don't expect others to give concern when you tell your scary dive story about the time you could only had 5ft of visibility and felt things closing in on you. Some if not a lot of people have experienced much worse.

 

 

Look up Bomb Cyclone and then look up the storm on NASA.

[antsnanny]

I've seen YouTube videos of the exact cruise you were saying you were on. I also see the small amount of movement compared to horizon with those waves.

If you have 70+ cruises that's great. But it doesn't matter if it's 5 or 500 cruises. Like I pointed out earlier. It's still your opinion based upon just your experience that it was so bad. No I wasn't onboard it but I'm aware of modern technology available in these size of ships. I know what I've been thru and what I see in videos would be far from worrying, hell I'd likely have been sitting in a nice comfortable big leatherback in the cigar bar and enjoying a sniffer of good brandy.

 

Weather wise- I'm sitting in the middle of a blizzard currently. Visibility is about 50' and they are calling for around 12-14" total snow.

 

To someone from down south that's never been in a blizzard, it might be super scary. Someone from a bit more north might have some concerns. I'm from were it's not uncommon and is our usual winter weather. So instead of complaining, I'm sitting here reading some, going to make some bread, and will start scooping out when the wind drops a bit.

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We were in Beaufort scale 10-12 winds. Is that enough that we may have been a little terrified especially since it listed the ship. Boy, you don't believe a word of what people say. Or perhaps you are just not informed. Since the wind was causing a white out you couldn't have seen the horizon.

Edited January 23, 2018 by antsnanny
Forgot something.

[smplybcause]

Terrified is an individual perspective. Actual danger it seems all the professionals that aren't just googling or checking Wikipedia agree that the ship was never in danger - regardless what you think or perceived. (Btw if you're the poster that keeps posting images on fb Beaufort level the example photos do not match up with the lesser intensity of the videos I've seen. Also it just measures wind speed which doesn't necessarily correspond to sea conditions.)

 

If the boat was truly on lockdown for 36 hours, that would be 42% of your cruise. But I believe the itinerary only has two sea days back from GSC so it would have been two or less which is damn close to the 25% they gave you. And you were still on the boat eating, drinking, and doing activities so you didn't lose time on your trip it just might not have been as pleasant as it would have been without a storm. (It seems the water up there could be not pleasant even without a storm.)

 

 

For those that argue the company are greedy little bastards that don't care about human life - do you think those same greedy bastards would truly risk losing a $1.4 billion dollar ship all to not piss off 4,000 customers? The answer, if this were true, would be no.

 

Oh and the videos I've seen beg to differ you can't see the horizon.

 

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[Zenica]

that would be in complete opposition to the cruise waivers we all must sign before getting boarding docs.

 

There isn't a waiver in the world that shields from negligence.

 

If it is deemed NCL acted negligently, that will pierce the veil of waiver protections opening them to a gambit of lawsuits.

 

To everyone berating those on that cruise that are sharing their experiences, sit down, shut up and accept a simple inalienable truth, your opinion is not fact. Their experience isn't yours. EVEN IF YOU WERE ON THE SAME CRUISE.

 

If a passenger on that cruise feels a need to pursue this, its between them and NCL and if it goes far enough, the conclusion will be decided by a judge or jury. Not a forum opinion.

[smplybcause]

There isn't a waiver in the world that shields from negligence.

 

If it is deemed NCL acted negligently, that will pierce the veil of waiver protections opening them to a gambit of lawsuits.

 

To everyone berating those on that cruise that are sharing their experiences, sit down, shut up and accept a simple inalienable truth, your opinion is not fact. Their experience isn't yours. EVEN IF YOU WERE ON THE SAME CRUISE.

 

If a passenger on that cruise feels a need to pursue this, its between them and NCL and if it goes far enough, the conclusion will be decided by a judge or jury. Not a forum opinion.

No, everyone didn't experience the same hence perspective, but negligence is an all or nothing sort of thing. And I'd be downright shocked if anyone could prove negligence when the governing authorities have not imposed anything against the captain or cruise line.

 

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[jackcat16]

There isn't a waiver in the world that shields from negligence.

 

If it is deemed NCL acted negligently, that will pierce the veil of waiver protections opening them to a gambit of lawsuits.

 

To everyone berating those on that cruise that are sharing their experiences, sit down, shut up and accept a simple inalienable truth, your opinion is not fact. Their experience isn't yours. EVEN IF YOU WERE ON THE SAME CRUISE.

 

If a passenger on that cruise feels a need to pursue this, its between them and NCL and if it goes far enough, the conclusion will be decided by a judge or jury. Not a forum opinion.

 

 

People have a right to their opinions. No one needs to shut up. If you don’t like what people have to say then why are you reading these boards. :rolleyes:

[NLH Arizona]

Wow, according to their FB page, there is a reason some were thrown out of their beds. Someone told someone who told someone that a crew member said that the ship had not closed the water pump drains on one side of the ship and that it had frozen. Since they could not drain it, it could not roll back and tilted to a 45 degree angle. Where is our knowledgeable Chief Engineer when we need him to explain this. I can't wait for the survivors to come up with more!!

[Meanee]

Wow, according to their FB page, there is a reason some were thrown out of their beds. Someone told someone who told someone that a crew member said that the ship had not closed the water pump drains on one side of the ship and that it had frozen. Since they could not drain it, it could not roll back and tilted to a 45 degree angle. Where is our knowledgeable Chief Engineer when we need him to explain this. I can't wait for the survivors to come up with more!!

 

 

Wait what? They claimed ship listed 45 degrees? That would be some major damage.

[NLH Arizona]

Wait what? They claimed ship listed 45 degrees? That would be some major damage.

Yep, someone told someone who told someone who said a crew member told them. You would have thought if they came into port at a 45 degree angle, someone on the ground would have gotten a picture of that...lol.

[ColeThornton]

[biker@sea]

I know most of you will never be on a ship through a Bomb Cyclone sailing into Cape Hatteras in your lifetime because they are very rare. It would be my expectation if you actually experienced this y'all wouldn't be talking like you do. They way some of you talk would be like you telling someone that you have a terrible headache and they say 'No you don't". Geez..

 

 

Lots of us in the Nourtheast have and will sail into these storm's.

 

"Some media critics pose that news outlets have only seized on the sensational terms “to get clicks.” Indeed, this type of storm isn’t rare. According to a 2002 study, the Northern Hemisphere sees 40 bomb cyclones a year. And NOAA says that 14 of the 20 hurricane-force wind events that occured in the North Atlantic during the first two months of 2014 underwent bombogenesis."

 

https://www.boston.com/news/weather/2018/01/03/bombogenesis-bomb-cyclone

Edited January 23, 2018 by biker@sea

[Letsgo 2]

There isn't a waiver in the world that shields from negligence.

 

If it is deemed NCL acted negligently, that will pierce the veil of waiver protections opening them to a gambit of lawsuits.

 

To everyone berating those on that cruise that are sharing their experiences, sit down, shut up and accept a simple inalienable truth, your opinion is not fact. Their experience isn't yours. EVEN IF YOU WERE ON THE SAME CRUISE.

 

If a passenger on that cruise feels a need to pursue this, its between them and NCL and if it goes far enough, the conclusion will be decided by a judge or jury. Not a forum opinion.

I'm not sure who gave you the authority to tell anyone to "sit down and shut up" if like you said it is between the passenger and NCL and by the way you are right about that it is, they should not be posting it on a open forum! We have the right to our opinion, others may not like that opinion, but just like you , I also have that right.

Our opinion may not be fact, but it seems from all the reports being talked about, some of the fact are also not facts.

Marion

[mking8288]

People have a right to their opinions ... :rolleyes:

Si, muchas gracias - posts here offered some perspectives in the earlier days with "smaller" ships.

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1499968&page=2

 

Heads up for 2018 - early, long-range forecasts for the Americas is for another active, busy season and above average hurricane & storm activites ... best to stay on dry land vis-a-vis the fear factors. Oh, we missed our stormy sailing on the Norwegian Crown (twice) to/from Bermuda's St. George & Hamilton, directly downtown ... what a wild ride it was then. HAL's Veedam still doing it in 2018.

 

For some, it's my way or the highway ... simply cannot agree to disagree. Our Mods should - perhaps - I don't like to suggest it, consider locking this up.

[Erik_of_Montreal]

Did anyone receive any sort of cruise credit from your experience on the Breakaway?

 

Thanks

 

 

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[Farmer at sea]

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We were in Beaufort scale 10-12 winds. Is that enough that we may have been a little terrified especially since it listed the ship. Boy, you don't believe a word of what people say. Or perhaps you are just not informed. Since the wind was causing a white out you couldn't have seen the horizon.

 

10-12 scaled winds??

 

Oh it's getting comical from you.

 

I'll just step clear of your experience and let you deal with your ptsd you clearly have from such a scary situation. I mean the ship must be in need of a total dry dock after experienced hurricane force winds that must have stripped the paint completely from the hull right? MCL Breakaway - AKA SS Minnow.

 

Good luck to you, maybe it's safer to keep your feet on solid ground (avoid earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, etc though)

[Casino Comp Chick]

Have you looks on You tube, there there. I have pictures of waves, I would estimate 30 to 40 ft. seas and the Beaufort scale was 10-12, past gale force winds which as we all know are worse than the sea swells. The wind was pushing the ship on its side by 10 degrees.

I checked YouTube but this was all I could find

 

Edited January 26, 2018 by Casino Comp Chick

[NLH Arizona]

This just gets stranger. Now someone on their FB site is asking the attorney on there if they can take the 25 percent offer from NCL and still sue them. Unbelievable.

[eileeshb]

This whole story has had me rolling my eyes for a variety of reasons.

I have sympathy for the passengers who experienced heavy seas for the first time and were suffering the effects of that.

But:

1. You chose to sail out of and return to a port in the North Atlantic in the middle of winter. I've been on overnight ferry in storm conditions (tiny ship compared to breakaway) and I know how unpleasant it can be when you can't get a break from the motion of the ocean.

2. North Atlantic storms are not as predictable as hurricanes, the low pressure centre can deepen incredibly quickly and thus intensify the storm and cause it to move far faster than initially assumed.

3. The "bomb cyclone" was not a standalone storm, it was part of a chain of storms that stretched across the North Atlantic with further storms that developed behind it.

 

I live on the west coast of Ireland and work in the surf industry here so I spend quite a bit of time looking at the various forecast models and the week around the breakaway drama there was a stack of storm systems that flummoxed a lot of forecasters. The sequencial nature of the storms caused them to change speed and direction in ways the models weren't predicting.

 

Given that last year there was the first modern age east Atlantic hurricane anyone thinking that weather can be easily predicted and avoided is over-simplifying matters. Yes the models are a lot better than what we used to have but Mother Nature likes to keep us on our toes.

[Letsgo 2]

This whole story has had me rolling my eyes for a variety of reasons.

I have sympathy for the passengers who experienced heavy seas for the first time and were suffering the effects of that.

But:

1. You chose to sail out of and return to a port in the North Atlantic in the middle of winter. I've been on overnight ferry in storm conditions (tiny ship compared to breakaway) and I know how unpleasant it can be when you can't get a break from the motion of the ocean.

2. North Atlantic storms are not as predictable as hurricanes, the low pressure centre can deepen incredibly quickly and thus intensify the storm and cause it to move far faster than initially assumed.

3. The "bomb cyclone" was not a standalone storm, it was part of a chain of storms that stretched across the North Atlantic with further storms that developed behind it.

 

I live on the west coast of Ireland and work in the surf industry here so I spend quite a bit of time looking at the various forecast models and the week around the breakaway drama there was a stack of storm systems that flummoxed a lot of forecasters. The sequencial nature of the storms caused them to change speed and direction in ways the models weren't predicting.

 

Given that last year there was the first modern age east Atlantic hurricane anyone thinking that weather can be easily predicted and avoided is over-simplifying matters. Yes the models are a lot better than what we used to have but Mother Nature likes to keep us on our toes.

Thank you for that explantion, and because the Captain and his crew got them all back into Port safe, they should all be thanking him instead of trying to get him fired or even to lose his Captain license.

Marion