Tips

[cb at sea]

It's probably along the lines of $6.50 pp per night for cabin attendant (and any helpers), $6.50 for the waiters, , $4.50 for ass't waiters...or something along those lines......that's how most cruise lines do it....

[Moby0215]

Crab Shack tried "no tipping". They increased their prices and there was no tipping. They tested it in 18 of their restaurants and went back to the tipping policy in 14 of them less then a year from when it started. Neither the servers nor customers like it. According to their SEC filing, it revealed the no-tipping experiment played a role in quarterly labor expenses increasing by 3.2 percent, year over year and those higher expenses resulted in income dropping by 16.2 percent.

 

 

 

I would much rather have the tipping culture, instead of restaurants raising prices and then adding a service charge (as I ran into in London and some Mediterranean countries), because at least with the tip, I can decide if the service I was given was worth a tip or not, instead of getting lousy service and having to pay a service charge.

 

 

 

I agree to some extent but if you stuff even a bad server then they aren’t making any money.

 

 

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[NLH Arizona]

I agree to some extent but if you stuff even a bad server then they aren’t making any money.

 

 

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If they aren't making money, then it should be wake up call to them that they are not doing a good job and should step it up. I tip on good service, I don't tip just because someone's base salary is low.

[dogboy]

Just give them cash ON TOP rather than INSTEAD

Yes Sir, that's what I do.

[Moby0215]

If they aren't making money, then it should be wake up call to them that they are not doing a good job and should step it up. I tip on good service, I don't tip just because someone's base salary is low.

 

 

 

That’s where we differ. 20% minimum.

 

Do you make less money if you have a less productive day? Or let’s say you had an argument with your boss will you take a pay cut?

 

 

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[Maniacal Cruiser]

As usual the right answer to tipping is to tip whoever you want however much you want whenever you want. What others choose to do is of no relevance what-so-ever.

[Maniacal Cruiser]

That’s where we differ. 20% minimum.

 

Do you make less money if you have a less productive day? Or let’s say you had an argument with your boss will you take a pay cut?

 

 

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IN MY HUMBLE OPINION there is no such thing as a minimum tip. If I go out to eat and the service is extremely poor, drinks never get refilled, server comes to the table MAYBE once every 25-30 minutes to see if we "need anything", and then when a request is made it takes another 30 minutes for the item(s) to be brought out, I will tip $0. If you are not doing your basic job I will not pay you. At the same time if you are a fantastic server and take care of us well you could easily get a tip of over 100%.

[NLH Arizona]

That’s where we differ. 20% minimum.

 

Do you make less money if you have a less productive day? Or let’s say you had an argument with your boss will you take a pay cut?

 

 

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When I was a Sales Rep, I made a very low base and then commission and if I didn't perform, my total compensation was reduced. One year, 1/2 of my account structure closed and I lost 1/2 of my salary for the rest of that year, because I couldn't make my quota. So, yes, if I didn't make my quote, I made less.

[Moby0215]

When I was a Sales Rep, I made a very low base and then commission and if I didn't perform, my total compensation was reduced. One year, 1/2 of my account structure closed and I lost 1/2 of my salary for the rest of that year, because I couldn't make my quota. So, yes, if I didn't make my quote, I made less.

 

 

 

Well you sir are in the minority. Other jobs the answer would be No. I realize people say, well maybe they will learn a lesson or do a better job, but you don’t know the circumstances behind the bad service. Maybe it took long because the kitchen was backed up. Maybe the server had other tables that were running them ragged. Maybe they were just having a bad day. I’m not going to penalize the a living wage just to make me feel better.

 

 

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[Moby0215]

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION there is no such thing as a minimum tip. If I go out to eat and the service is extremely poor, drinks never get refilled, server comes to the table MAYBE once every 25-30 minutes to see if we "need anything", and then when a request is made it takes another 30 minutes for the item(s) to be brought out, I will tip $0. If you are not doing your basic job I will not pay you. At the same time if you are a fantastic server and take care of us well you could easily get a tip of over 100%.

 

 

 

But there is. And that is why NCL and other cruise lines auto charge. Same thing goes for certain restaurants for parties bigger than 6. They don’t want the possibility of being stuffed in the tip so they institute an automatic minimum. Also see my previous post.

 

 

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[NLH Arizona]

Well you sir are in the minority. Other jobs the answer would be No. I realize people say, well maybe they will learn a lesson or do a better job, but you don’t know the circumstances behind the bad service. Maybe it took long because the kitchen was backed up. Maybe the server had other tables that were running them ragged. Maybe they were just having a bad day. I’m not going to penalize the a living wage just to make me feel better.

 

 

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You do what you feel is right and I'll do what I feel is right. BTW, it is ma'am, not sir.

[Moby0215]

You do what you feel is right and I'll do what I feel is right. BTW, it is ma'am, not sir.

 

 

 

Absolutely. And sorry about the sir.

 

 

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[L1211]

Over the top tips and extra tips for everything that moves is an American thing so if your not one don't bother.

 

 

 

Wow. Or just a decent show of appreciation because you received great service and you can. I don’t think thanks for service and a show of gratitude are American only virtues. Am I wrong? ??

[L1211]

Wow. Or just a decent show of appreciation because you received great service and you can. I don’t think thanks for service and a show of gratitude are American only virtues. Am I wrong? ??

 

 

 

Do tell cruiser man 60. I’m curious how one justifies receiving the service without feeling compelled to tip for it. Clearly I’m a crazy American. I simply don’t understand the logic. Im not trying to be condescending...

 

 

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[Maniacal Cruiser]

But there is. And that is why NCL and other cruise lines auto charge. Same thing goes for certain restaurants for parties bigger than 6. They don’t want the possibility of being stuffed in the tip so they institute an automatic minimum. Also see my previous post.

 

 

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Tips are always optional, it is part of the basic definition of a tip. If any business automatically charges you above the price of the product or service then it is not a tip. BTW in the USA tipped employees do NOT 'depend on tips' to make up for their lower minimum wage. The employer is required by law to make up any short coming between the tipped employees lower minimum wage and the standard minimum wage that is not made up for by the actual tips earned. So no one gets 'stuffed'. Also that add on for parties of 6 (etc) can legally be removed in whole or it part or can removed and tipped directly by the customer.

[Maniacal Cruiser]

Well you sir are in the minority. Other jobs the answer would be No. I realize people say, well maybe they will learn a lesson or do a better job, but you don’t know the circumstances behind the bad service. Maybe it took long because the kitchen was backed up. Maybe the server had other tables that were running them ragged. Maybe they were just having a bad day. I’m not going to penalize the a living wage just to make me feel better.

 

 

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The circumstances are irrelevant. A server is paid to serve me and do a good job of it. If he is not doing that, I tip accordingly. Why he gave me crappy service is of no concern to me at all. BTW you are NOT penalizing anyone a living wage. The employer is required by law to make up any shortcoming of actual tips received and the amount required to bring the employees tipped wage up to at least the standard minimum wage. Lastly if a server cannot handle multiple table then perhaps tehy ought not be a server.

[Moby0215]

Tips are always optional, it is part of the basic definition of a tip. If any business automatically charges you above the price of the product or service then it is not a tip. BTW in the USA tipped employees do NOT 'depend on tips' to make up for their lower minimum wage. The employer is required by law to make up any short coming between the tipped employees lower minimum wage and the standard minimum wage that is not made up for by the actual tips earned. So no one gets 'stuffed'. Also that add on for parties of 6 (etc) can legally be removed in whole or it part or can removed and tipped directly by the customer.

 

 

You can argue semantics of the word “tip” all day, but if my bill comes with a line item that says gratuity, that certainly is a tip no ifs ands or butts about it.

 

And they absolutely depend on tips. Most bartenders/servers make more than minimum wage. When they do not receive the proper tip that they depend on, they actually lose money because they still have to tip out the bartender, busboy, etc. the owner surely has to make sure they get minimum wage but they normally make more than that. Trust me, I have MANY friends that work in the service industry. I know exactly how it works.

 

As far as “legally” removing an auto gratuity, you go ahead and do that. That’s not my style. And if you do do that, I really hope you never show your face back at the establishment cause who knows what’s going to be in your food. Lmao.

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

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[Maniacal Cruiser]

You can argue semantics of the word “tip” all day, but if my bill comes with a line item that says gratuity, that certainly is a tip no ifs ands or butts about it.

 

And they absolutely depend on tips. Most bartenders/servers make more than minimum wage. When they do not receive the proper tip that they depend on, they actually lose money because they still have to tip out the bartender, busboy, etc. the owner surely has to make sure they get minimum wage but they normally make more than that. Trust me, I have MANY friends that work in the service industry. I know exactly how it works.

 

As far as “legally” removing an auto gratuity, you go ahead and do that. That’s not my style. And if you do do that, I really hope you never show your face back at the establishment cause who knows what’s going to be in your food. Lmao.

 

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I always remove the auto gratuity on my bill when I eat and I tip what I think the server deserves for the level of service provided. It is most often more than what the auto gratuity is.

 

Please provide support for you claim that MOST tipped employees make more than minimum wage. In the end though that is irrelevant. A server tipping out a barkeep, etc is based on a percent of the tips he made. If a server gives me crappy service, the reduced amount that he gets and thus the reduced amount the of the barkeep's percent is not on me at all, it is on that server and it is between the server and the barkeep.

 

Trust me I have been in the service industry for a long time. If a server gives substandard service they will not last long. If you think you should tip someone any given amount simply because they are in a tipped position (and the quality of service thy give you is of no relevance) then by all means tip for crappy service. As for me, if you are a crappy server you will get a crappy tip. Sooner or later you will become a good server or you will find another job. I will not pay someone for not doing his job.

 

BTW I am not saying anything about a difference between gratuity and tips they are the same. I have no idea where that art of your comment even came from.

 

 

So you think it is OK for someone to assault a customer over a tip amount? wow...

[BaWBarmy]

Do tell cruiser man 60. I’m curious how one justifies receiving the service without feeling compelled to tip for it. Clearly I’m a crazy American. I simply don’t understand the logic. Im not trying to be condescending...

 

 

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A tip/gratuity is an extra given by choice for what the issuer considers above normal service. Normal service is included in the price of your meal etc. What cruiser man is trying to say is that he feels certain people tip whatever service they receive.

 

If a tip is expected, rather than seen as a bonus, then it may as well be included in the price of the meal etc.

 

I don't understand why you would feel compelled to tip?

 

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[ray98]

That’s where we differ. 20% minimum.

 

Do you make less money if you have a less productive day? Or let’s say you had an argument with your boss will you take a pay cut?

 

 

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I guess you are a proponent of the modern thought process where 'everyone gets a trophy'.

 

Bottom line, the tipping system ensures the server works for the customer and makes them directly accountable to fulfilling those expectations in exchange for compensation.

 

Plenty of people in the real world have jobs that are directly tied to their performance. I worked years in an industry that was heavily commission based. I worked, and had to do a good job, to eat.

[ray98]

But there is. And that is why NCL and other cruise lines auto charge. Same thing goes for certain restaurants for parties bigger than 6. They don’t want the possibility of being stuffed in the tip so they institute an automatic minimum. Also see my previous post.

 

 

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Negative....the cruise lines came up with the auto gratuity method because the industry changed. The long standing tradition of assigned servers is long gone and now you are more likely to be served by different people each night. Since there was no specific 'team' to tip at the end something had to change. The auto gratuity system was born changing the industry to a shared tip pool system.

 

They add it automatically because there really is not other logical way to do it. They also expect that service standards will be met by their employees since the entire environment is a service based experience. In the rare occasions it isn't then it can be addressed.

[chengkp75]

 

The hotel director on the Bliss last week said that the standard work day is 10 hours. That’s 70 hours a week. Before they get paid overtime.

 

I won't get involved in another tipping thread, but I'd just like to comment on this. This is not quite correct. Yes, the standard work week is 70 hours. No, they don't start to get overtime after 70 hours, they start to get overtime after 40 hours/week, as mandated by the IMO's Maritime Labor Convention (MLC 2006). However, the crew don't get an hourly wage, they get a salary, so the cruise line uses a formula using the required minimum crew wage of $617/month for a 40 hour week, and 125% of that base for overtime, to calculate a monthly salary for the required 70 hours. If they work more than 70 hours/week, they get additional overtime. This monthy salary is made up of a small base salary and a share of the DSC. If the DSC is reduced, the cruise line does not have to make up anything to the crew until the total salary for the month drops below the $617/month minimum.

[newmexicoNita]

The way this gratuity matter is going it willl soon be compulsory 25% DSC and then every one will be tipping extra 5$ per drink.

This constant tipping needs to stop and most countries in the worllld don't subscribe and despite what many may think the vast majority of cruises outside USA and near waters are occupied by non Americans!

don't like it, don't do it. I agree it is getting a bit out of hand, but it is something that is expected and accepted. It is people from countries that do not feel it necessary to tip that has brought this problem in the first place. Many resort towns in Florida for instance have an automatic required service charge added because of servers getting stiffed. This is why hotels are adding resort fees. I could go on and on. You say many countries do not follow our policies. Well, I know the last time we were in London there was an automatic service charge added to our food bill. In Canada there is no tip requirements but the cost of meals is almost twice what it is here. We were floored at the cost of a basic Popeye Chicken meal when we were there a few years ago. It all works out the same regardless of how you charge it.

[BaWBarmy]

The people stiffing servers are their employers. You go on about a service charge in London, you don't have to pay it. It's usually charged to tourists . Secondly, London is definitely not representative of the UK.

 

Put prices up, pay the servers a proper wage. The customer will see no difference. Then stop blaming people from non tipping societies for the mess that the tipping system has become.

 

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[candigirl41]

I think the difference may be tax. I'm not sure on any of this and I've no real idea on how the IRS works. The restaurant / diner owner will only pay tax on what they receive for their goods. So if they charge a smaller amount and then underpay their wait staff their tax bill will be smaller than if they charged more but paid their staff a decent wage. I'm not sure if there is any tax paid on tips received.

 

I still think our way is better just because it seems to cause less arguments, and you don't get chased half way down 9th Avenue because you only left a few pennies as a tip. :)

 

Any tips put on a credit card have to be claimed. Cash tips are a little different you have to claim some of it. My daughter is a bar tender and relies on tips for income. I know the U.K. culture is no tips. My sister tried to tip the the pub owner and he laughed. I had to explain it to her.

 

Candi