Maine ports closed

[wolfie11]

Governor Mills has announced that Maine ports will be closed to cruise ships until September 1

[MMDown Under]

18 minutes ago, wolfie11 said:

Governor Mills has announced that Maine ports will be closed to cruise ships until September 1

That is good news as Maine has so many beautiful small places which could be at risk from cruise ships. 

[Potstech]

42 minutes ago, MMDown Under said:

That is good news as Maine has so many beautiful small places which could be at risk from cruise ships. 

How are they at risk from cruise ships?

[AF-1]

maybe they mean at risk by bringing in 3,000 people all at once.  I guess that is why.  But maybe MMDown Under will chime in

[MMDown Under]

58 minutes ago, Potstech said:

How are they at risk from cruise ships?

The majority of people in Australia infected by the virus were as a result of cruise ships. 

South Pacific islands closed their ports to cruise ships for the same reason.

Edited April 28, 2020 by MMDown Under

[Potstech]

56 minutes ago, MMDown Under said:

The majority of people in Australia infected by the virus were as a result of cruise ships. 

South Pacific islands closed their ports to cruise ships for the same reason.

And you can show proof of that or did it come directly from China where most of their imports come from.

[MMDown Under]

3 hours ago, Potstech said:

And you can show proof of that or did it come directly from China where most of their imports come from.

Yes, of course.  You can research the virus in Australia for statistics.  Australia tracks how the people were infected with the virus or whether the virus is from the community (unknown).  Australia has paid a high price for accepting cruise ships after the ban on cruise ships was introduced.

[donaldsc]

Small towns in Maine hardly need to have 3000 people from a cruise shi

6 hours ago, Potstech said:

How are they at risk from cruise ships?

 

A small town in Maine hardly needs to be hit by 3000 cruise ship passengers when nobody knows how many of the passengers are positive either w symptoms or asymptomatically for Corona.

 

DON

[Potstech]

19 hours ago, MMDown Under said:

Yes, of course.  You can research the virus in Australia for statistics.  Australia tracks how the people were infected with the virus or whether the virus is from the community (unknown).  Australia has paid a high price for accepting cruise ships after the ban on cruise ships was introduced.

 

19 hours ago, MMDown Under said:

Yes, of course.  You can research the virus in Australia for statistics.  Australia tracks how the people were infected with the virus or whether the virus is from the community (unknown).  Australia has paid a high price for accepting cruise ships after the ban on cruise ships was introduced.

Yes the tracking. Australia population 25+ million, 536,000 tested, 6738 confirmed with COVID, 5649 recovered and 89 deaths.  After an intensive investigation 689 cases can be associated with the cruise industry meaning about 10% of overall cases are connected to the cruise industry.  So what is that "high price" that is documented?

 

And those are Australian government numbers.

Edited April 29, 2020 by Potstech

[Expat Cruise]

In the end Governors do not control port closing. In the United States it would be the USCG and the Federal Government. Maine can ask but hey can be over ruled. The same as Florida was over the last few weeks. If you remember the Governor of California said the Grand Princess could not dock, and what happen over ruled by the Federal Government.

 

[npcl]

On 4/28/2020 at 4:34 PM, Potstech said:

And you can show proof of that or did it come directly from China where most of their imports come from.

They have considerable proof.  They tracked the passengers from the Ruby Princess.  That is where a large number of the Australian cases and deaths originated.

 

Australian surveillance and contact tracing has been very effective.  One of the reasons their case counts have dropped off rapidly.

[Potstech]

2 minutes ago, npcl said:

They have considerable proof.  They tracked the passengers from the Ruby Princess.  That is where a large number of the Australian cases and deaths originated.

 

Australian surveillance and contact tracing has been very effective.  One of the reasons their case counts have dropped off rapidly.

See post #9 for the truth as put out be the Australian government. Sorry but the facts prove otherwise. Everyone regrets the lose of life but only 88 have died.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Potstech

[npcl]

3 hours ago, Expat Cruise said:

In the end Governors do not control port closing. In the United States it would be the USCG and the Federal Government. Maine can ask but hey can be over ruled. The same as Florida was over the last few weeks. If you remember the Governor of California said the Grand Princess could not dock, and what happen over ruled by the Federal Government.

 

not quite.  The Grand was able to dock  after a plan was developed that the CDC and the State of California agreed to.

 

Either could have blocked the unloading.  The way the powers are set up the CDC can step in to prevent spread if it feels that state and local authorities are not stringent enough, but cannot force a state to loosen standards.

[npcl]

Just now, Potstech said:

See post #9 for the truth as put out be the Australian government. Sorry but the facts prove otherwise.

The number of cases for the Ruby are pretty clear over 600 cases came from the Ruby and that does not include those that flew out without being test.  So that means almost 10% of the documented cases are directly tied to the Ruby.  To me 10% is a pretty substantial impact.  Especially since that was out of less than a passenger population of 3000. 

[HappyInVan]

On 4/28/2020 at 4:34 PM, Potstech said:

And you can show proof of that or did it come directly from China where most of their imports come from.

 

In lovely New Zealand, their young Prime Minister had deployed one of the most stringent quarantine/lockdowns in the world. Just celebrated a home run. In the wiki page ...

 

"Ruby Princess cruise ship, Hawke's Bay – 23"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_New_Zealand#Clusters

 

So, a little community has 23 infected because of the Ruby Princess. We should never let our guard down, particularly since some countries are easing restrictions when their infection is still raging.

[Potstech]

4 hours ago, npcl said:

The number of cases for the Ruby are pretty clear over 600 cases came from the Ruby and that does not include those that flew out without being test.  So that means almost 10% of the documented cases are directly tied to the Ruby.  To me 10% is a pretty substantial impact.  Especially since that was out of less than a passenger population of 3000. 

689 cases out of 25 million people and over 6700 cases in the country is not substantial.Maybe for you but not for everyone and it is not a large number of cases. Over 6000 not associated with the Ruby or any other cruise ship is a substantial number.

[DrivesLikeMario]

Good!  Glad to hear it as I plan to be in Canada/NE after that date!  

[npcl]

2 minutes ago, Potstech said:

689 cases out of 25 million people and over 6700 cases in the country is not substantial.Maybe for you but not for everyone and it is not a large number of cases. Over 6000 not associated with the Ruby or any other cruise ship is a substantial number.

10% of the current total is pretty substantial from one tracked source that only included 3000 passengers.  A week after the Ruby docked the number of cases identified was half of Australia's on March 21st.  The only reason cruise ships passengers do not make for a higher total currently, is because they stopped all cruise ships so the total got frozen with the Ruby, except for the sick crew members that had continued to be brought ashore as the Ruby remained in Australian waters.

 

It also does not count any cases that may have come from the prior Ruby cruise where there was over 200 cases of flu like symptoms, but those passengers left and went home without any tested.  Don't know how many people those infected because they were not tested or tracked like the last Ruby cruise was.

 

As HappyinVan mentioned it also does not include those in New Zealand with the 23 infections after the Ruby port call.

[Potstech]

But you say nothing about the source of the other 90% of cases .  That would be China but instead you want to place the on one cruise ship. Just goes to show how different people have different interpretations of what the facts mean.

 

I never mentioned New Zealand so why distort the discussion.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Potstech

[MMDown Under]

49 minutes ago, Potstech said:

But you say nothing about the source of the other 90% of cases .  That would be China but instead you want to place the on one cruise ship. Just goes to show how different people have different interpretations of what the facts mean.

 

I never mentioned New Zealand so why distort the discussion.

The facts.  At one stage, the majority of people being identified with the corona virus (50%) were from cruise ships and from the United States (including returning Aussies).  This is a continuing situation - current North West Hospitals cluster in Tasmania has been identified as commencing with a patient from Ruby Princess. (Spread by a conscientious health care worker who didn't realise she had been infected by the virus.)  There was a full enquiry.

Edited May 1, 2020 by MMDown Under

[MMDown Under]

On 4/29/2020 at 6:55 AM, MMDown Under said:

That is good news as Maine has so many beautiful small places which could be at risk from cruise ships. 

I made this comment out of love of Maine's unique beauty.  Not to start a discussion on risk from cruise ships, at this time.

Edited May 1, 2020 by MMDown Under

[Expat Cruise]

9 hours ago, npcl said:

not quite.  The Grand was able to dock  after a plan was developed that the CDC and the State of California agreed to.

 

Either could have blocked the unloading.  The way the powers are set up the CDC can step in to prevent spread if it feels that state and local authorities are not stringent enough, but cannot force a state to loosen standards.

The CDC is the federal Government, sorry you do not understand that fact. The state of California could not block the Grand from docking, they had to agree as the Federal Government through the USCG has control of all ports in the end. 

 

Sorry but your information is just wrong and not based upon facts , Admiralty Law, or Federal Law. 

 

[Outerdog]

35 minutes ago, MMDown Under said:

I made this comment out of love of Maine's unique beauty.  Not to start a discussion on risk from cruise ships, at this time.

 

Honestly, how can you expect anything different? This is a cruise forum where cruisers discuss the current situation with cruise ships, which includes Covid risk.

[Potstech]

53 minutes ago, MMDown Under said:

The facts.  At one stage, the majority of people being identified with the corona virus (50%) were from cruise ships and from the United States (including returning Aussies).  This is a continuing situation - current North West Hospitals cluster in Tasmania has been identified as commencing with a patient from Ruby Princess. (Spread by a conscientious health care worker who didn't realise she had been infected by the virus.)  There was a full enquiry.

So now you jump to Tasmania from New Zealand to distort your original Australia statement.  Where do you go next.  What facts, numbers are you referring to other than a generic 50%? I gave you actual numbers from Australia and you come back with a generic per centage. 

[MMDown Under]

1 hour ago, Potstech said:

So now you jump to Tasmania from New Zealand to distort your original Australia statement.  Where do you go next.  What facts, numbers are you referring to other than a generic 50%? I gave you actual numbers from Australia and you come back with a generic per centage. 

I am telling you what is in the news today in Australia, which happens to be Tasmania,  to demonstrate that the situation with regard to the corona virus from cruise ships is an on going issue.  Sadly, it is not over.  I didn't mention NZ.  

Edited May 1, 2020 by MMDown Under