Joebucks Posted April 7, 2023 #101 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Which angle are we playing today? Mega ships are too big, don't feel like a cruise, and the smaller ships offer a more relaxing experience or We need more mega ships, no one wants to sail a non-brand new ship, Icon of the Seas for all The port strategy is certainly an interesting one. To be the only one in a market certainly drives a certain business. I also think the Venezia strategy is intriguing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 7, 2023 #102 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Joebucks said: Which angle are we playing today? Mega ships are too big, don't feel like a cruise, and the smaller ships offer a more relaxing experience or We need more mega ships, no one wants to sail a non-brand new ship, Icon of the Seas for all The port strategy is certainly an interesting one. To be the only one in a market certainly drives a certain business. I also think the Venezia strategy is intriguing as well. Me thinks the issue is one line is EXCLUSIVELY going mega ships at great speed and there are drawbacks to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mz-s Posted April 7, 2023 #103 Share Posted April 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Me thinks the issue is one line is EXCLUSIVELY going mega ships at great speed and there are drawbacks to that. I guess how "mega" is your definition of mega? Over 200k tons? Sure I agree. Because by other definitions (say anything bigger than Conquest class) all the mainstream lines are all-in on mega ships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted April 7, 2023 #104 Share Posted April 7, 2023 58 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Me thinks the issue is one line is EXCLUSIVELY going mega ships at great speed and there are drawbacks to that. I think eventually Carnival and RCCL will be largely distinct product offerings. The allure of the MEGA from a cruiseline perspective is efficiency. I've joked on this page that if RCCL could pull out of Miami, go to CocoCay, and then hang a few miles off the coast for a week that they would. Many will be interested in that product. Others not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mz-s Posted April 7, 2023 #105 Share Posted April 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, jsglow said: I think eventually Carnival and RCCL will be largely distinct product offerings. The allure of the MEGA from a cruiseline perspective is efficiency. I've joked on this page that if RCCL could pull out of Miami, go to CocoCay, and then hang a few miles off the coast for a week that they would. Many will be interested in that product. Others not at all. Why couldn't they do that? As long as they visit a foreign port during the voyage then it's fine right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted April 7, 2023 #106 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mz-s said: Why couldn't they do that? As long as they visit a foreign port during the voyage then it's fine right? They absolutely could. I guess I worded my post poorly now that I re-read. More like 'if they felt they could entice enough pax'. Edited April 7, 2023 by jsglow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarnivalShips480 Posted April 7, 2023 #107 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Carnival hasn't been sailing from Ft. Lauderdale because of dredging. I think its their intention to return there one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPNYGuy Posted April 7, 2023 #108 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, mz-s said: Why couldn't they do that? As long as they visit a foreign port during the voyage then it's fine right? That's what they did on Freedom on the 3 and 4 day cruises when the ships first started sailing again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPNYGuy Posted April 7, 2023 #109 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 hours ago, mz-s said: I guess how "mega" is your definition of mega? Over 200k tons? Sure I agree. Because by other definitions (say anything bigger than Conquest class) all the mainstream lines are all-in on mega ships. Hell, there were people on the HAL forums that were ranting about the 'mega ship' size of the HAL vistas and Signatures when those first came out. FWIW, those are the same size as a Spirit class. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 7, 2023 #110 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 hours ago, mz-s said: I guess how "mega" is your definition of mega? Over 200k tons? Sure I agree. Because by other definitions (say anything bigger than Conquest class) all the mainstream lines are all-in on mega ships. Fair point on how big mega is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted April 7, 2023 #111 Share Posted April 7, 2023 14 minutes ago, UPNYGuy said: Hell, there were people on the HAL forums that were ranting about the 'mega ship' size of the HAL vistas and Signatures when those first came out. FWIW, those are the same size as a Spirit class. Perfect example of how CCL does a good job of differentiating their product. And of course there are complainers everywhere, all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 7, 2023 #112 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, jsglow said: I think eventually Carnival and RCCL will be largely distinct product offerings. The allure of the MEGA from a cruiseline perspective is efficiency. I've joked on this page that if RCCL could pull out of Miami, go to CocoCay, and then hang a few miles off the coast for a week that they would. Many will be interested in that product. Others not at all. It is an interesting conundrum. As somebody else posted, the allure (pun intended) of the mega liner from the cruise line perspective is cost per passenger. We sailed Elation and Mardi Gras close together. The experience is as expected different from a large degree, notice I did not say better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted April 7, 2023 #113 Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: It is an interesting conundrum. As somebody else posted, the allure (pun intended) of the mega liner from the cruise line perspective is cost per passenger. We sailed Elation and Mardi Gras close together. The experience is as expected different from a large degree, notice I did not say better or worse. Have you ever done really small @jimbo5544? We love it and need to do it more. Star Pride for example is 300 pax and 12,000 tons... and that's after they made her bigger. We sailed her before the conversion. Spectacular, and not hoity toity at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted April 7, 2023 #114 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, jsglow said: Have you ever done really small @jimbo5544? We love it and need to do it more. Star Pride for example is 300 pax and 12,000 tons... and that's after they made her bigger. We sailed her before the conversion. Spectacular, and not hoity toity at all. Smallest we have ever done was Azamara, and LOVED it (600 Guests) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 7, 2023 #115 Share Posted April 7, 2023 3 hours ago, jsglow said: I think eventually Carnival and RCCL will be largely distinct product offerings. The allure of the MEGA from a cruiseline perspective is efficiency. I've joked on this page that if RCCL could pull out of Miami, go to CocoCay, and then hang a few miles off the coast for a week that they would. Many will be interested in that product. Others not at all. RCL focus certainly seems to be making the ship the destination. As long as they give away enough alcohol they could hold the passengers hostage anywhere forever and open up the malls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirreladd Posted April 7, 2023 #116 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 hours ago, BlerkOne said: RCL focus certainly seems to be making the ship the destination. As long as they give away enough alcohol they could hold the passengers hostage anywhere forever and open up the malls. I honestly think their mega ships are doing more good for their competitors now. People see these ads for the Icon of the sea and go to book it. They recoil a the price. (2600 inside cabin for two)then they find MSC, Carnival or Norwegian for half the price but not half the ship. That higher per berth cost is going to hurt them in the long run. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 8, 2023 #117 Share Posted April 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Squirreladd said: I honestly think their mega ships are doing more good for their competitors now. People see these ads for the Icon of the sea and go to book it. They recoil a the price. (2600 inside cabin for two)then they find MSC, Carnival or Norwegian for half the price but not half the ship. That higher per berth cost is going to hurt them in the long run. As it is, there is too much for a person to do in a week on Carnival's "mega ships", Mardi Gras and Celebration. Half a ship is plenty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Illbcruzn4life Posted April 8, 2023 #118 Share Posted April 8, 2023 55 minutes ago, BlerkOne said: As it is, there is too much for a person to do in a week on Carnival's "mega ships", Mardi Gras and Celebration. Half a ship is plenty. I guess you'd really be in trouble on an Oasis class ship. You'd probably need 1/3 of the ship and that would probably be plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Illbcruzn4life Posted April 8, 2023 #119 Share Posted April 8, 2023 7 hours ago, BlerkOne said: RCL focus certainly seems to be making the ship the destination. As long as they give away enough alcohol they could hold the passengers hostage anywhere forever and open up the malls. where can I sign up for that? 🍻 🥂🍹 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 8, 2023 #120 Share Posted April 8, 2023 43 minutes ago, Illbcruzn4life said: I guess you'd really be in trouble on an Oasis class ship. You'd probably need 1/3 of the ship and that would probably be plenty. 0% has worked well for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 8, 2023 #121 Share Posted April 8, 2023 43 minutes ago, Illbcruzn4life said: where can I sign up for that? 🍻 🥂🍹 Bribes.rcl.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Illbcruzn4life Posted April 8, 2023 #122 Share Posted April 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, BlerkOne said: Bribes.rcl.com You sure seem obsessed with this bribe stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruizinSusan70 Posted April 8, 2023 #123 Share Posted April 8, 2023 12 hours ago, mz-s said: Why couldn't they do that? As long as they visit a foreign port during the voyage then it's fine right? They could go to their new private area on Nassau and CocoCay combined with sea days and call it a cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Illbcruzn4life Posted April 8, 2023 #124 Share Posted April 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, CruizinSusan70 said: They could go to their new private area on Nassau and CocoCay combined with sea days and call it a cruise. Works for me. 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruizinSusan70 Posted April 8, 2023 #125 Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Illbcruzn4life said: where can I sign up for that? 🍻 🥂🍹 Cruise on them often enough to gain Diamond status at 80 points and you get 4 per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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