Vaping Email Response from Celebrity

[BCHappyGal]

It will b interesting to see how this ends... with the dropping of this idea or a permanent backwards step with a change in policy... whereby suddenly vaping is allowed in Casinos fleet wide... that would mean me looking for a new line to sail... 

I have already been looking and means upgrading to a smaller luxury style line but as I normally take a suite not much difference in cost and my health is more important than $$ plus when I spend this kind of money for a vacation I do not want to have to avoid an area due to the smell and negative health impact

[paulh84]

12 hours ago, goofysmom99 said:

This chip, chip, chipping away at the Celebrity brand since January has really gotten my dander up so I'll keep harp, harp, harping away at corporate.  Clean air should trump an addiction.  And I'll be complaining loudly, then and there, on the spot (cell phone is always in my pocket) if I encounter vaping in indoor spaces, casino excepted for now. I don't intend to passively abide being enveloped in vapor.  I'm seriously pi$$ed that I need to make final payment for a 16 night cruise before this little experiment concludes.  I wonder how many "new and improved" experiments they have waiting in the wings to add to room service charge, room service menu reductions, deep cuts to evening OVC , MDR menu cuts, hamburger addition, lobster charge, vaping....  They quietly pulled back a few zenith amenities, too, but I don't really care about any of those.

 

A cell phone vigilante will make a pleasant experience for everyone!  

 

Cancel the cruise. Easy. 

[Esmerelda]

I have sent an email to Celebrity. We have not even sailed on Celebrity yet and I will cancel if this is their new norm. This was one of the draws for us. We hardly spend anytime in other ships casinos due to the nasty a$$ smoke.  I have until December to cancel. We will see if they make a wise decision.  JMO.. 

[zitsky]

32 minutes ago, paulh84 said:

 

A cell phone vigilante will make a pleasant experience for everyone!  

 

Cancel the cruise. Easy. 

Good suggestion.  We should all cancel our cruises and remake arrangements because someone else is being inconsiderate.

[NMTraveller]

 

[TeeRick]

1 hour ago, zitsky said:

Wow!  I’ve never had someone write a song just for me before.  I can’t stop crying.  Have you released an album yet?

Don't worry.  Celebrity loves you (and your money).

[NMTraveller]

4 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

Don't worry.  Celebrity loves you (and your money).

Mostly the money...

[RedIguana]

On 7/4/2023 at 6:18 PM, Ex-Airbalancer said:

The maximum nicotine levels in e-cigarettes in Canada are 66mg/ml. That’s three times what is allowed in the European Union (20 mg/ml) leaving users over exposed to high amounts of nicotine, which may lead to lifelong dependence.  That's like tripling the size of a regular cigarette.

Very misleading statement. Vapes designed for nic salts (50 to 66 mg/l) are quite different from vapes designed for 20 mg/ml, 6 mg/ml, or 3 mg/ml. The big cloud chunkers are the low nicotine content vapes, but you may use 8 ml a day in your device (48 mg). A 20 mg/ml device will produce much smaller clouds and use 2-3 ml a day (40 mg). A 50-66 mg/ml device produces very little vape, and a ml often lasts several days (25-33 mg per day). A typical cigarette is probably 12 mg. Vapes are a much more efficient nicotine delivery system than cigarettes, very little if any nicotine is present in human exhaled e-cig vapour. The large cloud chunkers still use cotton and metal based coils which vaporizer a greater volume of liquid at a time, hence the 3 or 6 mg/ml formulation. The Nic salt vapes typically use a ceramic type coil and vaporize a very small quantity of liquid, hence the higher nicotine content per ml. It is like comparing drinking a 12 oz 7% ABV beer vs a 2 oz 42% ABV scotch to get the same alcohol. So it is not tripling the size of a regular cigarette, it is more like making 3 times as many cigarettes, which last 3 times as long.

[Ex-Airbalancer]

3 minutes ago, RedIguana said:

Very misleading statement. Vapes designed for nic salts (50 to 66 mg/l) are quite different from vapes designed for 20 mg/ml, 6 mg/ml, or 3 mg/ml. The big cloud chunkers are the low nicotine content vapes, but you may use 8 ml a day in your device (48 mg). A 20 mg/ml device will produce much smaller clouds and use 2-3 ml a day (40 mg). A 50-66 mg/ml device produces very little vape, and a ml often lasts several days (25-33 mg per day). A typical cigarette is probably 12 mg. Vapes are a much more efficient nicotine delivery system than cigarettes, very little if any nicotine is present in human exhaled e-cig vapour. The large cloud chunkers still use cotton and metal based coils which vaporizer a greater volume of liquid at a time, hence the 3 or 6 mg/ml formulation. The Nic salt vapes typically use a ceramic type coil and vaporize a very small quantity of liquid, hence the higher nicotine content per ml. It is like comparing drinking a 12 oz 7% ABV beer vs a 2 oz 42% ABV scotch to get the same alcohol. So it is not tripling the size of a regular cigarette, it is more like making 3 times as many cigarettes, which last 3 times as long.

I would trust any statement from the Canadian lung association before I would trust anything you wrote

[zitsky]

10 minutes ago, RedIguana said:

Very misleading statement. Vapes designed for nic salts (50 to 66 mg/l) are quite different from vapes designed for 20 mg/ml, 6 mg/ml, or 3 mg/ml. The big cloud chunkers are the low nicotine content vapes, but you may use 8 ml a day in your device (48 mg). A 20 mg/ml device will produce much smaller clouds and use 2-3 ml a day (40 mg). A 50-66 mg/ml device produces very little vape, and a ml often lasts several days (25-33 mg per day). A typical cigarette is probably 12 mg. Vapes are a much more efficient nicotine delivery system than cigarettes, very little if any nicotine is present in human exhaled e-cig vapour. The large cloud chunkers still use cotton and metal based coils which vaporizer a greater volume of liquid at a time, hence the 3 or 6 mg/ml formulation. The Nic salt vapes typically use a ceramic type coil and vaporize a very small quantity of liquid, hence the higher nicotine content per ml. It is like comparing drinking a 12 oz 7% ABV beer vs a 2 oz 42% ABV scotch to get the same alcohol. So it is not tripling the size of a regular cigarette, it is more like making 3 times as many cigarettes, which last 3 times as long.

Low nicotine content.  Does that mean ZERO nicotine content?  I thought the vapor was harmless CO2?

[RedIguana]

4 minutes ago, Ex-Airbalancer said:

I would trust any statement from the Canadian lung association before I would trust anything you wrote

Your choice. Does not change the stoichiometry. 

[RedIguana]

5 minutes ago, zitsky said:

Low nicotine content.  Does that mean ZERO nicotine content?  I thought the vapor was harmless CO2?

No one performing chemical analysis should ever tell you something has 0 content. Just not detected or below MDL. I'm not sure why you think vapor is CO2, to the best of my knowledge it is aerosolized propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, some water vapor, and maybe a little CO2. Same stuff used in the fog machines for the production shows in the theatre.

[zitsky]

 

1 minute ago, RedIguana said:

No one performing chemical analysis should ever tell you something has 0 content. Just not detected or below MDL. I'm not sure why you think vapor is CO2, to the best of my knowledge it is aerosolized propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, some water vapor, and maybe a little CO2. Same stuff used in the fog machines for the production shows in the theatre.

I see.  So everyone posting research about the vapor is wrong them?  The vapor is harmless and contains “not detected” levels of nicotine?

 

Can you tell me that those ingredients are safe to breathe?

[Jim_Iain]

2 hours ago, zitsky said:

Good suggestion.  We should all cancel our cruises and remake arrangements because someone else is being inconsiderate.

 

While a revolt is always a possible solution, I doubt many would do so with the cancellation penalties.

[zitsky]

3 minutes ago, Jim_Iain said:

 

While a revolt is always a possible solution, I doubt many would do so with the cancellation penalties.

I was not suggesting it.  Simply asking the previous poster.

[Ex-Airbalancer]

2 minutes ago, Jim_Iain said:

 

While a revolt is always a possible solution, I doubt many would do so with the cancellation penalties.

Our 2 cruises have refunded deposits 

And you probably right not many will cancel but will we book again , 

if the price is right we would 😉

[RedIguana]

7 minutes ago, zitsky said:

Can you tell me that those ingredients are safe to breathe?

No. Not my area of expertise. I deal mainly in nutrients and metals in the environmental world, although I am sure I have some lab grade nicotinic acid in one of the reagent cabinets around here. I just analyze for stuff. Someone else can tell you what it is safe for. Not my job. I don't think my earlier comment had any reference to safety.

[Jim_Iain]

3 minutes ago, Ex-Airbalancer said:

Our 2 cruises have refunded deposits 

And you probably right not many will cancel but will we book again , 

if the price is right we would 😉

 

I may be a bit twisted but vaping really doesn't bother me.   Many of you know Iain's a smoker (oh No!) and I'm a bit anti-smoker (Quit 37 years ago).     Iain does vapes and I have to say I have never smelled anything.    May be it is that  he smokes Juul's that don't emit much water vapor unlike some of those that belch out clouds.

 

Not being confrontational but wondering if other's can smell Vape cigarettes.  I am very sensative to smells and tell you cheap men's cologne and perfume really bothers me as well as neighbors that but those fabric softeners with scents in their dryer and wafts up to my open windows. 

 

On the Positive we live in a Townhouse in Sunnyvale, CA and they passed an ordinance 5 or 6 years ago that prohibit smoking inside your residential unit of any building attached to another unit.   Our HOA which I'm President also forbids smoking anywhere on our outdoor property.    He complies and smokes on the sidewalk while he takes a walk. 

[NMTraveller]

While I do agree that it is a test.  I think that it is a test to see how best to deploy it to other ships.

It is yet another Celebrity money grab.

 

I will send my e-mail now though.

 

Their PR department is doing their best to control the damage from yet another money grab that decreases the cruising experience.

[zitsky]

1 minute ago, Jim_Iain said:

 

I may be a bit twisted but vaping really doesn't bother me.   Many of you know Iain's a smoker (oh No!) and I'm a bit anti-smoker (Quit 37 years ago).     Iain does vapes and I have to say I have never smelled anything.    May be it is that  he smokes Juul's that don't emit much water vapor unlike some of those that belch out clouds.

 

Not being confrontational but wondering if other's can smell Vape cigarettes.  I am very sensative to smells and tell you cheap men's cologne and perfume really bothers me as well as neighbors that but those fabric softeners with scents in their dryer and wafts up to my open windows. 

 

On the Positive we live in a Townhouse in Sunnyvale, CA and they passed an ordinance 5 or 6 years ago that prohibit smoking inside your residential unit of any building attached to another unit.   Our HOA which I'm President also forbids smoking anywhere on our outdoor property.    He complies and smokes on the sidewalk while he takes a walk. 

Yea some of us most certainly can smell vaping.  That’s why I always ask “it’s just CO2, right” and I let the vapers put the noose around their own neck.

 

I’m not sure why any of us should have to put up with either smoking or vaping.

[WrittenOnYourHeart]

5 minutes ago, Jim_Iain said:

Not being confrontational but wondering if other's can smell Vape cigarettes.

 

Absolutely. Even on the NYC subway. I've smelled people vaping at the other end of a pretty full car as well as on the opposite platform while waiting on a train.

[NMTraveller]

3 minutes ago, WrittenOnYourHeart said:

 

Absolutely. Even on the NYC subway. I've smelled people vaping at the other end of a pretty full car as well as on the opposite platform while waiting on a train.

The smell is not as bad as the chemicals you are inhaling.

 

I do not want second hand smoke or second hand vape.

Edited July 6, 2023 by NMTraveller

[Ex-Airbalancer]

2 minutes ago, Jim_Iain said:

 

I may be a bit twisted but vaping really doesn't bother me.   Many of you know Iain's a smoker (oh No!) and I'm a bit anti-smoker (Quit 37 years ago).     Iain does vapes and I have to say I have never smelled anything.    May be it is that  he smokes Juul's that don't emit much water vapor unlike some of those that belch out clouds.

 

Not being confrontational but wondering if other's can smell Vape cigarettes.  I am very sensative to smells and tell you cheap men's cologne and perfume really bothers me as well as neighbors that but those fabric softeners with scents in their dryer and wafts up to my open windows. 

 

On the Positive we live in a Townhouse in Sunnyvale, CA and they passed an ordinance 5 or 6 years ago that prohibit smoking inside your residential unit of any building attached to another unit.   Our HOA which I'm President also forbids smoking anywhere on our outdoor property.    He complies and smokes on the sidewalk while he takes a walk. 

1987 , is the same year we quite , when we move into our house 

I find even expensive perfumes are bad 😁

Lilies are really bad for me, when we were in the Lily building in  Keukenhof Gardens , I thought my head was about to explode 🤣

[WrittenOnYourHeart]

4 minutes ago, NMTraveller said:

The smell is not as bad as the chemicals you are inhaling.

 

I do not want second hand smoke or second hand vape.

 

EXACTLY!!!!

[kruzerci]

21 hours ago, zitsky said:

Last I checked we were talking about vaping.  Do you want to change the subject?

 

22 hours ago, PTC DAWG said:

You can smell a gummy?  

Marijuana vape has no marijuana smell. Most are unscented.