WJ open past 9pm - Would this be a draw for you?

[shipgeeks]

Nope, we have never wished we could find something more to eat after finishing dinner, and I can't imagine we ever will.

[HBE4]

33 minutes ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

And it takes a lot of hubris to believe you're just going to "think" of something their entire department of money extractors working full time year round haven't already thoroughly vetted.

 

Hubris? More like people just kicking around random suggestions of things they'd like to see.

 

Besides, Royal is constantly changing, innovating, testing new things so i guess the entire department of money extractors haven't thought of everything just yet.

[leisuretraveler223]

49 minutes ago, shipgeeks said:

Nope, we have never wished we could find something more to eat after finishing dinner, and I can't imagine we ever will.

 

This adds a lot.  You're right. Since you don't ever eat after dinner, maybe no one else should either.😎

[doghog]

We don't eat after supper. But for those that do, I believe it's a great idea to have the WJ open later in the evening. A lot of people (I use to) like something to eat after drinking and before going to bed. 

[shipgeeks]

2 hours ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

 

This adds a lot.  You're right. Since you don't ever eat after dinner, maybe no one else should either.😎

Just answering the question: Would this be a draw for you?......

[Tatka]

5 hours ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

Cruises are nothing but a highly sophisticated calculation of how to extract the most money out of the most people. The cruise lines have made billions of dollars by perfecting this calculus.  If there was a profitable reason for it, the Windjammer would be open every night from 2am to 3am with midget strippers serving haggis and baby reindeer skewers.  

 

If it doesn't generate a further profit, they're not going to do it.  And it takes a lot of hubris to believe you're just going to "think" of something their entire department of money extractors working full time year round haven't already thoroughly vetted.

What a sophisticated way to describe work of successful business who millions people appreciate! Money extraction. 🙂 

 

[leisuretraveler223]

1 minute ago, Tatka said:

What a sophisticated way to describe work of successful business who millions people appreciate! Money extraction. 🙂 

 

 

Hey, I love cruising too!  But make no mistake, cruises are a really impressive and highly sophisticated system primarily focused on making money (shocker!).  And literally everything, from the theme of events to the timing of comedy shows is all based on maximizing revenue.  So, why isn't the Windjammer opened late?  Say it with me: It won't make them more money!😆

[Tatka]

1 hour ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

 

Hey, I love cruising too!  But make no mistake, cruises are a really impressive and highly sophisticated system primarily focused on making money (shocker!).  And literally everything, from the theme of events to the timing of comedy shows is all based on maximizing revenue.  So, why isn't the Windjammer opened late?  Say it with me: It won't make them more money!😆

Is this a serious attempt to familiarize me with how capitalism works? 🙂 

JFYI I’m originally from another country which ceased to exist and where everything was for man, everything was in the name of men. You as a customer better have companies carefully calculating profit, but competing. 

 

I am on my cruise #30 with Royal and 61st overall. To me the key is they provide overall product we as customers want to spend money on. While I agree with your general idea, lines do compete. They include something they may or even certainly lose money on. It’s just like our neighborhood store selling rotisserie chicken cheaper than most surrounding stores sell raw chicken. 

[Toddcan]

9 hours ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

Cruises are nothing but a highly sophisticated calculation of how to extract the most money out of the most people. The cruise lines have made billions of dollars by perfecting this calculus.  If there was a profitable reason for it, the Windjammer would be open every night from 2am to 3am with midget strippers serving haggis and baby reindeer skewers.  

 

If it doesn't generate a further profit, they're not going to do it.  And it takes a lot of hubris to believe you're just going to "think" of something their entire department of money extractors working full time year round haven't already thoroughly vetted.

Well, isn't this grand!!  We are witnessing the pinnacle of cruise profit calculations and evaluations. What we have in front of us now is the best of the best of the best since everything else has been thoroughly vetted. No more changes coming - ever - we have arrived!   Whew... thank goodness they snuck in the changes to the muster drill -I'd hate to be stuck with the old way.  

 

I feel like I should make mention of this in my journal tonight. 

[#55worktoplay]

On 1/8/2024 at 10:26 AM, RFerrington said:

One comment re: Room Service.  I have been on over 70 Royal Caribbean cruises over the past 18 years and never ONCE have I been able to get through to Room Service on the phone.  The line is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS busy.  The only times we have ever successfully gotten room service was when we asked the Suites Concierge to order it for us.  Granted, I have never tried to get room service in the late evening so maybe things slow down later on, but during normal daily hours, F'AGET ABOUT IT !

Same thing late at night in my experience.  

[Ocean Boy]

2 minutes ago, #55worktoplay said:

Same thing late at night in my experience.  

Must not be a profit center so they take the phone off the hook.😊

[#55worktoplay]

7 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

Must not be a profit center so they take the phone off the hook.😊

When they run out of those little sandwiches on croissants at 2:00 AM after plenty of beverages it has pi**ed me off because I need food then no matter the cost  😀.  They just don’t answer the phone. 

[#55worktoplay]

23 hours ago, HBE4 said:

I think so, maybe. 

 

I'm a night owl & will be one of those shutting down the casino. So late night dining options appeal to me. I could see the WJ staying open to at least to midnight offering a limited menu of fast food, snackey type options.  Maybe on a made-to-order basis to limit waste. Burgers, sandwiches, salads, etc.  And if not the WJ, maybe Park Cafe or the English Pub on ships that have them?

 

The reason I say maybe is because I've never gone hungry late at night. Late dinner + Sorrentos + Cafe Promenade gets the job done.

You sound just like me but I don’t do Sorrentos and they run out of food at Cafe Promenade so room service is my next effort but never have luck with that.  

[leisuretraveler223]

11 hours ago, Toddcan said:

Well, isn't this grand!!  We are witnessing the pinnacle of cruise profit calculations and evaluations. What we have in front of us now is the best of the best of the best since everything else has been thoroughly vetted. No more changes coming - ever - we have arrived!   Whew... thank goodness they snuck in the changes to the muster drill -I'd hate to be stuck with the old way.  

 

I feel like I should make mention of this in my journal tonight. 

 

Yeah, that's not what I said.  I simply stated that when people wonder why cruise lines do or do not do certain things (i.e. keep the Windjammer open late at night), it is the end result of a carefully calculated plan built around maximizing profits.

 

To think that that means "no more changes comin - ever" is pure ignorance.  Things change- people change.  What people want, and what they are therefore willing to spend money on, changes constantly.  That is why cruising changes.  Largely gone are the days of everyone eating en masse at large tables with strangers.  It just means the change will be handled in such a way that it is at a minimum revenue neutral, and ideally revenue generating for the cruise.

 

Why isn't the Windjammer opened at night? The OP answered the question in the first post!

"I would have enjoyed heading to the WJ late at night (10-11pm) to enjoy even a limited food selection, or perhaps just some light snacks and a glass of ice water - and sit and relax - it's quite a nice area on most ships, and late at night it would likely be much less crowded.  "

You think Royal is motivated to keep it open for someone to do drink water, nibble on limited food and hang out in a mostly empty venue? Thereby requiring staffing and resources, while generating zero revenue?

 

 

[Toddcan]

2 hours ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

 

Yeah, that's not what I said.  I simply stated that when people wonder why cruise lines do or do not do certain things (i.e. keep the Windjammer open late at night), it is the end result of a carefully calculated plan built around maximizing profits.

 

To think that that means "no more changes comin - ever" is pure ignorance.  Things change- people change.  What people want, and what they are therefore willing to spend money on, changes constantly.  That is why cruising changes.  Largely gone are the days of everyone eating en masse at large tables with strangers.  It just means the change will be handled in such a way that it is at a minimum revenue neutral, and ideally revenue generating for the cruise.

 

Why isn't the Windjammer opened at night? The OP answered the question in the first post!

"I would have enjoyed heading to the WJ late at night (10-11pm) to enjoy even a limited food selection, or perhaps just some light snacks and a glass of ice water - and sit and relax - it's quite a nice area on most ships, and late at night it would likely be much less crowded.  "

You think Royal is motivated to keep it open for someone to do drink water, nibble on limited food and hang out in a mostly empty venue? Thereby requiring staffing and resources, while generating zero revenue?

 

 

 

Love the tone of your posts... 😉 Sounds like you might be a right-fighter, so we'll let sleeping dogs lay, other than to point out one comments in your original post...   

 

"If it doesn't generate a further profit, they're not going to do it.  And it takes a lot of hubris to believe you're just going to "think" of something their entire department of money extractors working full time year round haven't already thoroughly vetted".   (Btw... "hubris, and "pure ignorance" comments are what make your posts golden).   I'll offer an alternative viewpoint on this... not every change is directly attributed to profit.  And yes, I would propose that there are a LOT of ideas that will be on future ships that have not yet been vetted.  Anyways... A lot of changes speak to the user experience, which may encourage the customer to sail again (which is an indirect link to profit).   This was my original point/ question (I am the OP)... would/could a late hour WJ be a draw for you (and result in a heightened cruising experience)?

 

 

[HBE4]

1 hour ago, Toddcan said:

not every change is directly attributed to profit.  And yes, I would propose that there are a LOT of ideas that will be on future ships that have not yet been vetted.  Anyways... A lot of changes speak to the user experience, which may encourage the customer to sail again (which is an indirect link to profit).   This was my original point/ question (I am the OP)... would/could a late hour WJ be a draw for you (and result in a heightened cruising experience)?

 

I think this is a point that can not be emphasized enough.  First, disclaimer: Yes, I know Royal is a billion dollar corporation who is in the business to make as much money as possible. But not every little item is a profit center. How much money is made on a 70's dance party?  Think of the man-hours spent on rehearsing, lighting, sound, costumes, etc, in addition to the actual singing & dancing.  Who is paying to maintain/operate/staff the rock walls & flow riders?  All of us, via higher cruise fares, whether we use them or not.  But, as highlighted above, if it encourages someone to come back, there is a link to profit.

 

Sure, Royal maybe has already decided that keeping the WJ open late gives them no competitive edge.  But that doesn't mean the idea can't be suggested from time to time, especially as the demographics of cruising continue to evolve.

Edited January 10 by HBE4

[leisuretraveler223]

1 hour ago, Toddcan said:

 

Love the tone of your posts...

 

"Tone" is a quality of the spoken word. There is no tone to the written word. "Tone" appreciated in the written word is entirely a creation of the reader.  So this begs the question: why do you impart a particular "tone" to the words you read?🤔

 

And I guess I can apologize (?) for my vocabulary.  "Hubris" is a perfectly reasonable way to describe people who are confident that they have just kind of come up with an idea "de novo" that an entire department of professionals dedicated to working on such matters haven't considered.  And I'm sorry if "pure ignorance" offends you, but if you believe that what I said means "no changes ever", then I don't really know how else to describe that thought process.

[lenquixote66]

On 1/8/2024 at 6:52 PM, cruiseguy1016 said:

 

I'm from upstate NY where they know how to make a pizza. Sorrento's is cardboard with ketchup on it so I won't eat that. I eat the cookies from Cafe Promenade but only because the other choices are quite often slim or sold out.

 

 

Late night buffet? Where? Sometimes they offer it once during a 7-night sailing. Maybe they have it more frequently on the bigger ships? I've never been on a ship bigger than Freedom class, so I've never seen Central Park either. As I mentioned above, I usually find Cafe Promenade very disappointing.

I am from downstate NY and I love Sorrento’s on and off ships

[Toddcan]

3 minutes ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

 

"Tone" is a quality of the spoken word. There is no tone to the written word.

Oh boy. 

[lenquixote66]

We were on a Celebrity ship that offered midnight chocolate buffets.

[goldfish65]

No. 

[SUgwoz]

3 hours ago, lenquixote66 said:

We were on a Celebrity ship that offered midnight chocolate buffets.

I recalled that on Royal Cruises as well around 2015.  You can tell how much of a waste it was when the servers essentially forced us to take a giant decorative chocolate tree, which we had a few bites of and discarded.

[lenquixote66]

1 hour ago, SUgwoz said:

I recalled that on Royal Cruises as well around 2015.  You can tell how much of a waste it was when the servers essentially forced us to take a giant decorative chocolate tree, which we had a few bites of and discarded.

Total waste because the majority of the people that I saw took as many pieces as they could presumably carry ,took a few bites and dumped what they took.

[navybankerteacher]

5 hours ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

 

"Tone" is a quality of the spoken word. There is no tone to the written word. "Tone" appreciated in the written word is entirely a creation of the reader.  So this begs the question: why do you impart a particular "tone" to the words you read?🤔

 

And I guess I can apologize (?) for my vocabulary.  "Hubris" is a perfectly reasonable way to describe people who are confident that they have just kind of come up with an idea "de novo" that an entire department of professionals dedicated to working on such matters haven't considered.  And I'm sorry if "pure ignorance" offends you, but if you believe that what I said means "no changes ever", then I don't really know how else to describe that thought process.

Sorry - but you are showing hubris (and a hint - a tone if you will - of ignorance).  One widely accepted and applied definition of “tone” is the author’s attitude as expressed in his writing.   

[leisuretraveler223]

1 hour ago, navybankerteacher said:

Sorry - but you are showing hubris (and a hint - a tone if you will - of ignorance).  One widely accepted and applied definition of “tone” is the author’s attitude as expressed in his writing.   

 

Fair enough. But most people are predisposed to reading things in a certain tone (especially on social media, message boards, etc.). I am inclined to think this is what was done here.