Baseball Caps in Dining Room

[pris993]

ON a 10 day cruise, sat facing a table with baseball caps every night. Folks were asian, looked like they were having a great time, so don't know if this is a culture issue or not, but it was annoying. Waiter, Matre'd did not seem to mind one bit. I never said anything probably should have - maybe nice time I will.

 

Have seen a honeymoon couple once as well, with the young man in a baseball cap and tank top in the MDR. The young woman was dressed appropriately, I felt sorry for her - looking at her husband.

 

How about flip flops in the MDR. Saw this a few times too, unbelievable.

[Valentino]

Our previous American Ambassador to Bermuda - Gregory Slayton was rarely seen without a baseball cap - interviews on TV, out and about at formal presentations - he always wore one. It was his trade mark.

 

Now, I personally don't have a problem per se with BC's I don't particularly like seeing them worn in restaurants, but I would never be so rude as to insist that anyone who did had them removed.

 

This IS a democratic society - where we should embrace everyone regardless of who they are, where they came from and how they appear - I would be more interested in getting to know the person underneath the cap/bathrobe than judging that person on their dress.

 

I would consider someone who casts aspersions on others presentation as someone not really worth getting to know. I believe that to knock someone for their appearance is shallow and obviously that person has little else to entertain themselves with and the need to knock someone for their appearance is obviously the only satisfaction they can gain in life. Life should be embraced and who are "we" "you" to dictate what others can and can't do with their life?

 

I have brought my children up with good manners and the knowledge that people should never be judged by their appearance. Those born/brought up with this are usually the nicest and most roundest people I know and worthy of knowing. The rest of them can sit in their huddles and watch us laughing and enjoying life as we get on with it.

[WhansaMi]

Our previous American Ambassador to Bermuda - Gregory Slayton was rarely seen without a baseball cap - interviews on TV, out and about at formal presentations - he always wore one. It was his trade mark.

 

Now, I personally don't have a problem per se with BC's I don't particularly like seeing them worn in restaurants, but I would never be so rude as to insist that anyone who did had them removed.

 

This IS a democratic society - where we should embrace everyone regardless of who they are, where they came from and how they appear - I would be more interested in getting to know the person underneath the cap/bathrobe than judging that person on their dress.

 

I would consider someone who casts aspersions on others presentation as someone not really worth getting to know. I believe that to knock someone for their appearance is shallow and obviously that person has little else to entertain themselves with and the need to knock someone for their appearance is obviously the only satisfaction they can gain in life. Life should be embraced and who are "we" "you" to dictate what others can and can't do with their life?

 

I have brought my children up with good manners and the knowledge that people should never be judged by their appearance. Those born/brought up with this are usually the nicest and most roundest people I know and worthy of knowing. The rest of them can sit in their huddles and watch us laughing and enjoying life as we get on with it.

 

Very nicely said. :-)

[bulgargirl]

Your chances of someone actually summoning the waiter and "having the hat removed or them removed" is pretty slim.

 

What is said here and what actually goes down on a real cruise can be two different things entirely.

 

Which is good to know; I've never been on HAL. I have been on other boards and other cruises though. And I have noticed that while people might feel safe to be a little more outspoken on the boards, some trends are reflected in reality too.

 

That's what makes me nervous. Like the complainers on NCL's board. There really are over-the-top complainers on the cruises too.

[babyher]

Which is good to know; I've never been on HAL. I have been on other boards and other cruises though. And I have noticed that while people might feel safe to be a little more outspoken on the boards, some trends are reflected in reality too.

 

That's what makes me nervous. Like the complainers on NCL's board. There really are over-the-top complainers on the cruises too.

 

 

Go and enjoy you cruise. You will have a great time .

 

Remember this is the internet.

 

61 yr old guys named Mel pretend they are 16 yr old girls named Tiffany.

 

Pimplely faced geeks who still live with their mothers pretend they are studs.

 

And people who have the correct outfit for every occasion pretend they have class and are better than everyone.

[serendipity1499]

Our previous American Ambassador to Bermuda - Gregory Slayton was rarely seen without a baseball cap - interviews on TV, out and about at formal presentations - he always wore one. It was his trade mark.

 

Now, I personally don't have a problem per se with BC's I don't particularly like seeing them worn in restaurants, but I would never be so rude as to insist that anyone who did had them removed.

 

This IS a democratic society - where we should embrace everyone regardless of who they are, where they came from and how they appear - I would be more interested in getting to know the person underneath the cap/bathrobe than judging that person on their dress.

 

I would consider someone who casts aspersions on others presentation as someone not really worth getting to know. I believe that to knock someone for their appearance is shallow and obviously that person has little else to entertain themselves with and the need to knock someone for their appearance is obviously the only satisfaction they can gain in life. Life should be embraced and who are "we" "you" to dictate what others can and can't do with their life?

 

I have brought my children up with good manners and the knowledge that people should never be judged by their appearance. Those born/brought up with this are usually the nicest and most roundest people I know and worthy of knowing. The rest of them can sit in their huddles and watch us laughing and enjoying life as we get on with it.

 

What a lovely post! Thank you...:):)

Even though I would never permit our Son or our Granddaughters Spouses to wear their hats in my home or at my dinner table, I would not be so presumptuous as to ask another passenger to remove his hat in the MDR..

Mr. Slayton is also well liked & respected by both parties in the United States..

Quote from Wikapedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_W._Slayton

Slayton is widely credited with turning around US/Bermuda relations during his tenure. The Premier of Bermuda, the Honorable Dr. Ewart Brown, stated publicly that "Bermuda has not had a senior US diplomat with Slayton's skill, energy, vision and ability in many years...he has succeeded in re-energizing US/Bermuda relations in a very positive way." Prior to his diplomatic tenure, Slayton was the Managing Director of Slayton Capital where he invested and served on the Board of Advisors of some of the most successful start-ups, including Google and Salesforce.com. Prior to that, Slayton was the CEO of a number of successful Silicon Valley turnarounds, some of which are covered in Harvard Business School case studies.

Slayton, an honors graduate of Dartmouth College and the Harvard Business School, has been married to his wife Marina for over 20 years. They have four children.

Members of the Congressional Black Caucus - Congresswoman Diane Watson and Congressman G. K. Butterfield - will be presenting the Distinguished Foreign Service Award to Mr. Slayton in a Capitol Hill Ceremony on February 10, 2010. Mr. Slayton will be the first Republican ambassadorial appointee in history to receive this award from CBC members.

A native of Ohio, Gregory W. Slayton graduated magna cum laude with a degree in economics from Dartmouth College. A Fulbright Scholar, he earned a Masters in Asian Studies and then, at Harvard Business School, a Master of Business Administration degree in 1990. Both Masters degrees were conferred with honors

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Cheers...:)Betty

[Northshorecruisers]

You're scaring me, people.

I'm going on my first cruise next week, and after reading the posts here for the past couple of weeks I'm convinced I'm going to find a ship full of people wearing bathrobes over their muumuus, with their baseball caps on - cigarettes in one hand, weng weng in the other. And they've spent so much effort giving extra tips to everybody all day, and fretting about open seating, that they're all in bed by 10pm.

I sure hope it's not really like that. . .

 

No - it's not like that at all. You never wear your bathrobe over your muumuu - the muumuu is for formal evenings only:eek:

 

I really think Tony Soprano should be put in charge of the MDR. Everyone would follow the rules!!

[foureyedbuzzard]

This "medical reasons" portion of the discussion is merely a red herring. The etiquette rule has always been that except for medical or religious reasons, gentlemen do not wear a hat while indoors.

Just FWIW, you can add to that list of exceptions military when "under arms", and law enforcement officers when on duty.

[RuthC]

Just FWIW, you can add to that list of exceptions military when "under arms", and law enforcement officers when on duty.

True. I left it out of my reply so as not to get in to the whole "cover", and "uniforms" thing.

[NMLady]

What a lovely post! Thank you...:):)

 

Even though I would never permit our Son or our Granddaughters Spouses to wear their hats in my home or at my dinner table, I would not be so presumptuous as to ask another passenger to remove his hat in the MDR..

 

 

That's my philosophy too.

However, if a hatted person joins us at our table, my husband will probably ask why they're wearing a hat at the table and is liable to make a comment about it and maybe ask the person to remove it while at table.

However, if we are the ones joining a table he might not say anything since the hatted person was there first.

[DizzyDallasDi]

That's my philosophy too.

However, if a hatted person joins us at our table, my husband will probably ask why they're wearing a hat at the table and is liable to make a comment about it and maybe ask the person to remove it while at table.

However, if we are the ones joining a table he might not say anything since the hatted person was there first.

 

Uh, okay?

 

Notice to all hat wearers in the MDR: Run, shove, trample...do whatever is necessary in order to get to your table first, lest you be asked to remove your hat. :D

[HWY 101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STSdtr5fqKg:p

 

forgot to add, some of this may be adult.

[DizzyDallasDi]

Very nicely said Di.

 

Having a 21 yr old and 2 teens myself , I can't even keep up with what is cool or hot or in or out or whatever terms they use these days.

 

An article or clothing that they MUST have for their birthdays in April are something the wouldn't be caught dead in by Christmas *LOL*

 

And you are right the kids aren't wearing the hat or the underwear sticking out of their pants or whatever to be disrespectful . They are doing it to fit in with their crowd. And that is important at that age.

 

As long as it isn't something way over the line, I let a lot go when it comes to their dress and such and as you said chalk it up to "The younger generation".

 

I agree that they don't see anything wrong with what they are doing or wearing because it is "the norm' for them.

 

True they don't know until they are told otherwise. And usually when they are told it is accompanied by some rant about their generation which is sure to turn them off.

 

We were all the same way once.

 

Perhaps the HalCats could spontaneously belt out this new classic when a disrespecting youngun saunters into a staunch old crowd of grumpies. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkeAzqhlkNk

[HWY 101]

Perhaps the HalCats could spontaneously belt out this new classic when a disrespecting youngun saunters into a staunch old crowd of grumpies. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkeAzqhlkNk

 

http://jezebel.com/tag/lady-gaga/:p

 

http://jezebel.com/5481620/jim-carrey-is-a-grandfather-sparkly-vampire-set-to-film-orgy-scene

 

oops, PG parental guidance again.. sorry...

[G&G]

Now as I understand this thread I can wear a cap indoors on a cruise ship for either medical reasons, religious beliefs, if I am a law enforcement officer on duty and in the military when "under arms".

 

I am still a little confused.

 

Can I wear my cap in my cabin since I am not offending any of the passengers ?

 

Do I wear my cap at the Lido Pool only when the roof is open and limited to wearing the cap only if I am under the open part of the retractable roof ?

 

If I am eating lunch at the Lido Pool and under the open part of the retractable roof can I wear my cap ? or not wear the cap while eating if the roof is closed ? or not wear the cap at all while not eating ?

 

Can I wear by cap on my balcony of my cabin if I am eating breakfast or lunch ?

 

If I decide to walk around the outside lower Promenade Deck and part of deck is blocked do I have to remove my cap if I go inside for 25 feet to get around the obstacle ?

 

I just want to make sure I do not offend anyone on my Rotterdam cruise on 03/08/2010

[WhansaMi]

Now as I understand this thread I can wear a cap indoors on a cruise ship for either medical reasons, religious beliefs, if I am a law enforcement officer on duty and in the military when "under arms".

 

I am still a little confused.

 

Can I wear my cap in my cabin since I am not offending any of the passengers ?

 

Do I wear my cap at the Lido Pool only when the roof is open and limited to wearing the cap only if I am under the open part of the retractable roof ?

 

If I am eating lunch at the Lido Pool and under the open part of the retractable roof can I wear my cap ? or not wear the cap while eating if the roof is closed ? or not wear the cap at all while not eating ?

 

Can I wear by cap on my balcony of my cabin if I am eating breakfast or lunch ?

 

If I decide to walk around the outside lower Promenade Deck and part of deck is blocked do I have to remove my cap if I go inside for 25 feet to get around the obstacle ?

 

I just want to make sure I do not offend anyone on my Rotterdam cruise on 03/08/2010

 

I suppose you could work through all that....

 

or, you could decide that anyone who is offended by your cap will have to find a way to deal with it, and enjoy yourself.

 

That would be my suggestion. ;-)

[G&G]

I suppose you could work through all that....

 

or, you could decide that anyone who is offended by your cap will have to find a way to deal with it, and enjoy yourself.

 

That would be my suggestion. ;-)

 

GREAT ADVISE !

 

"Hoo Rah" for "unofficial unapologetic cruise cheerleader"

[Taxguy77]

G & G

Cut your cap to two from front to back.

Keep sun on side with cap.

Keep "respectable" people on other side.

This can be acomplished by walking around the Rotterdam in one direction, don't worry if everyone else is walking the other way. :rolleyes:

 

Enjoy your cruise, I enjoyed mine, even though I left my cap in the room when going to the MDR.

[foureyedbuzzard]

Now as I understand this thread I can wear a cap indoors on a cruise ship for either medical reasons, religious beliefs, if I am a law enforcement officer on duty and in the military when "under arms".

 

I am still a little confused.

Just to play - cause I'm bored and I still have half a bowl of popcorn here;)

Can I wear my cap in my cabin since I am not offending any of the passengers ?

I'm guessing the Master at Arms wouldn't find out unless your wife/so complained.

Do I wear my cap at the Lido Pool only when the roof is open and limited to wearing the cap only if I am under the open part of the retractable roof ?

Open to outside, cover okay.

If I am eating lunch at the Lido Pool and under the open part of the retractable roof can I wear my cap ? or not wear the cap while eating if the roof is closed ? or not wear the cap at all while not eating ?

Ask the Officer of the Day

Can I wear by cap on my balcony of my cabin if I am eating breakfast or lunch ?

Why soint-ly. Nuk-nuk-nuk-nuk-nuk.

If I decide to walk around the outside lower Promenade Deck and part of deck is blocked do I have to remove my cap if I go inside for 25 feet to get around the obstacle ?

Okay - NOW you're trolling;) (joking) If your hands are full or you are opening doors and the like (especially for a lady) you may leave your cap on.

I just want to make sure I do not offend anyone on my Rotterdam cruise on 03/08/2010

Too late - they're already calling the purser.:D

Hey all, I find it fascinating that people would obsess over this. Who cares if someone is wearing their cap going down a hall or at the casino? That said, it is customary and polite at least in western society that gentlemen remove their caps when eating indoors. I think if we do this it might end a lot of the hat etiquette policing.

[Petronillus]

I'm usually more of a lurker, but I am shocked by the insensitivity of this post.

 

My dear sweet nephew has severe epilepsy, and has been on and off several medications for the past three years. Some of the medicines have caused him to lose his hair in tufts, and it is a big embarrassment to him. Therefore, if you were on the Zuiderdam in late November, you may have seen my 15-year nephew in the MDR on formal nights wearing a suit - and a baseball cap.

 

My nephew was raised to be a well-mannered, kind person who respects others. He has dealt admiriably with medical issues that have caused him to be ridiculed at an age when he should be gaining his independance and sense of self. I believe any accomodations that can be made to make him more comfortable and confident are well worth it, and he deserves it.

 

I do hope, dear sir, that YOU would be very embarrassed to draw attention to such a situation and cause any person such discomfort without knowing the facts, medical condition or not.

 

Whenever I'm tempted to disapprove of any person for not meeting my definition of proper social mores, I try to remember that each of us has only the benefit of our own experiences, and many others are not nearly as blessed as I.

 

I sympathize with you and with your nephew. I must, however regretfully and respectfully, differ with you. Baseball caps are not the all-purpose headgear. When I see a baseball cap worn in circumstances where (male) heads are conventionally uncovered, it is not a great leap of logic to infer that the wearer is flouting the convention, because a ballcap is the very antithesis of dressy. I am much more inclined to think there is a medical or religious reason if the man has donned a fedora (or a bowler or a top hat or a fez or a homberg). And there is always the alternative of a hairpiece.

 

Post-script: As for the U.S. ambassador to Bermuda, his "trademark" baseball cap does not set a new standard of fashion or etiquette. It merely plays to the image of the ugly American.

[TMWeddle]

>>>>>I sympathize with you and with your nephew. I must, however regretfully and respectfully, differ with you. Baseball caps are not the all-purpose headgear. When I see a baseball cap worn in circumstances where (male) heads are conventionally uncovered, it is not a great leap of logic to infer that the wearer is flouting the convention, because a ballcap is the very antithesis of dressy. I am much more inclined to think there is a medical or religious reason if the man has donned a fedora (or a bowler or a top hat or a fez or a homberg). And there is always the alternative of a hairpiece.

 

Post-script: As for the U.S. ambassador to Bermuda, his "trademark" baseball cap does not set a new standard of fashion or etiquette. It merely plays to the image of the ugly American.<<<<<<<<<

 

Agree completely on all points!! And I wore my ballcap - but not in the dining room!

 

[yotefan37]

I sympathize with you and with your nephew. I must, however regretfully and respectfully, differ with you. Baseball caps are not the all-purpose headgear. When I see a baseball cap worn in circumstances where (male) heads are conventionally uncovered, it is not a great leap of logic to infer that the wearer is flouting the convention, because a ballcap is the very antithesis of dressy. I am much more inclined to think there is a medical or religious reason if the man has donned a fedora (or a bowler or a top hat or a fez or a homberg). And there is always the alternative of a hairpiece.

 

Post-script: As for the U.S. ambassador to Bermuda, his "trademark" baseball cap does not set a new standard of fashion or etiquette. It merely plays to the image of the ugly American.

 

I understand your point, and agree to a certain extent. However, I'm not sure a fedora, fez, top hat, or homberg are very practical choices for a 15 year old. I'm sure there are many who may disagree. This may be a case where the wearers comfort trumps social mores, a least in my humble opinion. Quite frankly, I prefer my nephew be happy and comfortable, and kindly ask anyone offended by his headwear to simply avert their eyes. And yes, he is a frequent HAL cruiser.

[jmk22574]

I wasn't offended by anything in this thread until I saw that Ohio State baseball cap appear. :D:p:)!!!!

 

Jill

[bulgargirl]

A hairpiece? For a 15 year old boy?

 

I don't think it would be fair or right to tell a 15 yo boy to wear a combover, a toupee, hair piece, or old person's hat for respectibility and propriety's sake when he's dealing with losing his hair due to an illness.

[2buggers]

Look familiar? ;)