papcx Posted February 27, 2015 #376 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I'd also say (tongue in cheek) you cant get more 'traditional' than Southampton, UK ;) I agree totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted February 27, 2015 #377 Share Posted February 27, 2015 It's more of a pragmatic issue really, since 99% of them are built in Europe it makes sense to do some form of debut. What I've noticed from recent ships they're doing specific debut's for Europe and then another in the USA. I don't see why this is an issue, they need to market them across the markets as much as possible afterall I'd also say (tongue in cheek) you cant get more 'traditional' than Southampton, UK ;) Traditional for an ocean crossing maybe, but not a "pleasure" cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd555 Posted March 1, 2015 Author #378 Share Posted March 1, 2015 March 1 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drb116 Posted March 1, 2015 #379 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Same here! I confess I will be slightly disappointed if Royal decides to start her in the Med... Seems as though they have started shying away from debuting new ships in "traditional" spots like Port Everglades or Miami... They barely even have a presence in Miami anymore! The difference with Harmony is Central Park. For both Oasis and Allure, CP was installed in Florida and if it is going to be the same thing for Harmony, then the ship,will probably start in Florida. I suspect that will be the case because European nights will be too cold for the plants in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkx Posted March 1, 2015 #380 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The difference with Harmony is Central Park. For both Oasis and Allure, CP was installed in Florida and if it is going to be the same thing for Harmony, then the ship,will probably start in Florida. I suspect that will be the case because European nights will be too cold for the plants in April. April isn't that cold in the Med, I would assume they'll install from Day 1, esp is she's based from Barcelona for the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEFAN0001 Posted March 1, 2015 #381 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) The difference with Harmony is Central Park. For both Oasis and Allure, CP was installed in Florida and if it is going to be the same thing for Harmony, then the ship,will probably start in Florida. I suspect that will be the case because European nights will be too cold for the plants in April. Not necessarily. It depends where Harmony is based in Europe...which is rumored to be Barcelona for the European season (aka the Caribbean hurricane season). The weather there mid-April would not be a problem for all the trees/plants in the Central Park area. Thereafter in fall, it would be moved to one of the Florida ports (likely Ft. Lauderdale, as Oasis has been rumored to be moved from that location sometime next year). Edited March 1, 2015 by CRUISEFAN0001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jndsilver31 Posted March 1, 2015 #382 Share Posted March 1, 2015 If Harmony is to sail from Spain, then all the live plants would have to be removed prior to coming to USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingSiggy Posted March 1, 2015 #383 Share Posted March 1, 2015 If Harmony is to sail from Spain, then all the live plants would have to be removed prior to coming to USA. Did they remove all of the plants from Oasis when it was there last summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted March 1, 2015 #384 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Did they remove all of the plants from Oasis when it was there last summer? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jndsilver31 Posted March 1, 2015 #385 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Cant transport live plants into the USA from other countries. If the plants are planted in the USA and then sails to other ports and back to USA, that's ok with the USDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfTheSeasCruiser Posted March 1, 2015 #386 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Cant transport live plants into the USA from other countries. If the plants are planted in the USA and then sails to other ports and back to USA, that's ok with the USDA. So Harmony sailing in Barcelona is a bit of problem then. I don't think they'd debut Harmony without Central Park...Unless there is no Central Park :eek: Something else to replace that? Or maybe Royal's Norway FB was actually wrong and she won't be sailing from Barcelona... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted March 1, 2015 #387 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I am not so sure about the regulations for plants as some things are unclear. It seems that plants for import and plants for transit do need to be certified and remote certification and inspection is allowed. I had heard this 'fact' about plants on Oasis class previously and it seemed odd that there was not a method for permits and control of imported horticultural items as exist in almost every region of the world and not just the USA. It would seem that the shipboard horticulturalist would have responsibility for this certification and control. I was on both the Oasis and the Quantum TA sailings in October and November. Oasis sailed with all plants in order for the crossing from Rotterdam. I am not sure how the fact that the Netherlands alone stand for 24%of the world horticulture market and Europe has 42 % of the world market. A great deal are for export, while the domestic markets are well established as well. While they had not completed all planting in the Solarium on Quantum, they were bringing plants over from Europe that were planted already or that they brought up the night prior to arrival at Bayonne and were hard at work directly upon the ships arrival in the USA with planting activity that early AM prior to any disembarkation or taking provisions onboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drb116 Posted March 2, 2015 #388 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Did they remove all of the plants from Oasis when it was there last summer? While they still had plants in the park, they swapped out about a third of the plants for more cool weather plants. The process takes several months and they were still replacing the cool weather plants with the warmer weather plants when I was on Oasis over New Years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted March 2, 2015 #389 Share Posted March 2, 2015 This whole conversation about weather seems odd when I have just been walking in Madrid in shirt sleeves with no jacket and the big story on the news last night was the record warmth and showed scenes of the Mediterranean coast full with beach-goers. Well, I am still looking forward to todays flight to Miami, even though the weather has been so terrific here the past couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEFAN0001 Posted March 2, 2015 #390 Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) So Harmony sailing in Barcelona is a bit of problem then. I don't think they'd debut Harmony without Central Park...Unless there is no Central Park :eek: Something else to replace that? Or maybe Royal's Norway FB was actually wrong and she won't be sailing from Barcelona... This whole conversation about weather seems odd when I have just been walking in Madrid in shirt sleeves with no jacket and the big story on the news last night was the record warmth and showed scenes of the Mediterranean coast full with beach-goers. Well, I am still looking forward to todays flight to Miami, even though the weather has been so terrific here the past couple of weeks. Agree...I don't get it about any hoopla around the supposed "problems" either. The weather in April and beyond should be a non-issue. Also, as for the migration of the plants to the U.S....since the ship is never on land...there is likely an exemption as a sea vessel to any issues regarding that as well. After all, there already are plants on the other 2 Oasis class ships from "foreign" locations...and that's never been a problem before. Much to do about nothing. It's no secret that Barcelona is the port RCI is planning to use as a main European base going forward. No surprise they'd have Harmony there during the summer season while returning to the U.S. over the late fall and winter season. They already have been running that strategy with numerous other ships. Edited March 2, 2015 by CRUISEFAN0001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd555 Posted March 2, 2015 Author #391 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Speaking of Harmony of the Seas' Central Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkx Posted March 3, 2015 #392 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Speaking of Harmony of the Seas' Central Park Beautiful! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd555 Posted March 3, 2015 Author #393 Share Posted March 3, 2015 More of Central park on Harmony of the Seas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikgreg Posted March 3, 2015 #394 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Nice :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted March 3, 2015 #395 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I can't wait to sail on her. Now when will they would open her for bookings???:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizanessie Posted March 3, 2015 #396 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I can't wait to sail on her. Now when will they would open her for bookings???:) Wait for me...I wanna sail on her too :D Sigh.....are we there yet :D Thanks Lloyd for posting all the latest pics...she is looking realllllllly good :D Hopefully very soon we will hear when and where she will sail...and of course the Booking Details !! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted March 3, 2015 #397 Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) Wait for me...I wanna sail on her too :D Sigh.....are we there yet :D Thanks Lloyd for posting all the latest pics...she is looking realllllllly good :D Hopefully very soon we will hear when and where she will sail...and of course the Booking Details !! :D We board Allure from for a B2B on Saturday. It can't get here soon enough. Our son is excited about the slides on Harmony. Edited March 3, 2015 by A&L_Ont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizanessie Posted March 3, 2015 #398 Share Posted March 3, 2015 We board Allure from for a B2B on Saturday. It can't get here soon enough. Our son is excited about the slides on Harmony. OMG I am so jealous, the Allure is my favourite ship, I am sooo looking forward to getting back on her in October for 12 nights....sigh....:D Hope you have a fantastic time on her. Oh I am up for the blue water slide...not the bowl one though...nope nah no thanks. Oooh I wonder if any of the staff on Allure will go to Harmony, I know some went to Quantum but the GS manager Adrian stayed on Allure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted March 3, 2015 #399 Share Posted March 3, 2015 OMG I am so jealous, the Allure is my favourite ship, I am sooo looking forward to getting back on her in October for 12 nights....sigh....:DHope you have a fantastic time on her. Oh I am up for the blue water slide...not the bowl one though...nope nah no thanks. Oooh I wonder if any of the staff on Allure will go to Harmony, I know some went to Quantum but the GS manager Adrian stayed on Allure. Yep, the yellow one is described as a champagne glass, but it works more like a toilet bowl I'll bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEFAN0001 Posted March 8, 2015 #400 Share Posted March 8, 2015 The Allure of this new Oasis will be to experience perfect Harmony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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