Vista Passenger reporting + covid cases/immediate masking

[bucfan2]

14 minutes ago, Honolulu Blue said:

Back on topic, I heard about some details in a YouTube video about this outbreak from a cruising vlogger named Island Time.  He apparently has friends/connections on the ship.  They are:

• Five people on the Vista initially tested positive - four passengers and one crew
• No new cases as of Friday morning
• Masking rule.s are enforced by security(!)

Wow....so if there are 2500 people on board (crew + pax), a whopping .2%

[tsj]

I am currently on the Vista and if the report of five /confirmed cases proves to be true  I

would be quite surprised if no one else is infected.  The virus is very contagious and masks for passengers were minimal prior to the announcement of active COVID. So the .2% stat IMO maybe premature.

Case in point I believe someone on my deck was reporting symptoms and being evaluated just this morning.  Clearly I don’t know if this person will test positive.   iIt would be very surprising indeed if no other cases arise from our sailing .  

[rs45thompson]

On 8/4/2021 at 10:51 PM, cybercfp said:

I have to argue that.  I was on the Breeze and rarely did I see a child inside that was not masked.  I did see a few, admittedly, but for the most part the kids (and their parents) were compliant.

 

 

Two different ships, two different experiences.  You both saw what you saw.  She was right with what she saw on the Vista and you are correct with what you saw on the Breeze. 

[SheSailsFL]

28 minutes ago, Stick93 said:

You didn’t answer the question - why test if you have no symptoms? 
I realize many things but I like to hear logic to testing if you have no symptoms.  

If someone has symptoms and reports to the ship’s clinic for treatment, & then tests positive, they test the entire party and any pax who were in the same area as the positive.  They isolate any positives until they can be removed from the ship or the end of the cruise, if symptoms are not worsening.  
By testing the small circle, they can confirm there are no additional positives continuing to circulate and potentially causing an outbreak. 
 I have read of unvaxed children testing positive also prior to disembarking as part of their required testing, which triggers testing of their family. 
 

[scendro]

14 hours ago, Stick93 said:

I assume you would not go on a cruise if you are fearful of giving covid to your family?? 
I think people who don’t get vaccinated understand their risks and choose one way over the other.  I am vaccinated - I don’t care if you don’t get vaccinated, but I am not changing my life for those people.

Nope I still plan to cruise but will be responsible and test/isolate for 10 days after disembarking.  I am able to do this.  My kids are away at college.  I telework so it’s a non issue. 

[firefly333]

Maybe no one else cares about the subject of the thread but me. People keep hijacking this left and right.

 

Personally my roll call wants to know what they are doing with the positive pax they take off vista today. 

[j1d1]

Also interested in what Carnival is doing for pax with positive tests.  Just read a Royal Caribbean blog post about what RCI is doing for pax with positive tests and it's impressive.  Quarantine in an ocean view room with free wifi, movies, and room service.  Comfortable transport to airport at the next port where they pay for private plane to fly the passenger/family home.  A limo ride from the home airport to their home.

[firefly333]

6 minutes ago, j1d1 said:

Also interested in what Carnival is doing for pax with positive tests.  Just read a Royal Caribbean blog post about what RCI is doing for pax with positive tests and it's impressive.  Quarantine in an ocean view room with free wifi, movies, and room service.  Comfortable transport to airport at the next port where they pay for private plane to fly the passenger/family home.  A limo ride from the home airport to their home.

Rcl is only doing this thru oct, and my rcl cruises start in dec so no way to know what rcl will do unfortunately. 

 

Dewey on the  breeze did quarantine in a cove balcony on deck 2. And was transported to a quarantine hotel. True as we know getting home is on your own with carnival. I'm guessing rcl will follow suit.

 

I'd like to know what's happening with the vista today with the positive pax. Vista is my next cruise so I'd really like to know all the details. ..for carnival. Are they boarding on time, how much extra cleaning, what did they do with positive pax.  .. or will we never know. 

[Babr]

Royal and Celebrity are operating on a very different model from Carnival for now. We’ve already seen what Carnival will do for passengers who test positive. Since it is in line with their stated, written policy, I don’t expect much deviation from that.

[Babr]

1 minute ago, firefly333 said:

Rcl is only doing this thru oct, and my rcl cruises start in dec so no way to know what rcl will do unfortunately. 

 

Dewey on the  breeze did quarantine in a cove balcony on deck 2. And was transported to a quarantine hotel. True as we know getting home is on your own with carnival. I'm guessing rcl will follow suit.

 

I'd like to know what's happening with the vista today with the positive pax. Vista is my next cruise so I'd really like to know all the details. ..for carnival. Are they boarding on time, how much extra cleaning, what did they do with positive pax.  .. or will we never know. 

The other part of the story is that all expenses were on the passenger except possibly the transportation to the hotel. Her insurance had a $2,000 limit for trip interruption so I don’t know if it covered everything for the length of her stay and return home. At any rate, she had to pay and file for reimbursement, as is the case with any travel insurance.

[firefly333]

1 minute ago, Babr said:

The other part of the story is that all expenses were on the passenger except possibly the transportation to the hotel. Her insurance had a $2,000 limit for trip interruption so I don’t know if it covered everything for the length of her stay and return home. At any rate, she had to pay and file for reimbursement, as is the case with any travel insurance.

I read her posts, but assume this wasnt posted to me? 

 

I still want to know about vista today. Since the news is involved, what happened with them. 

[firefly333]

5 minutes ago, Babr said:

Correct. Not directed at you, just following the story line for the other poster who was impressed with Royal so folks know not to expect that from Carnival.

 

I know you were following the posts from dewey and are familiar with the details, but I have not seen any follow up.

 

There is a thread from someone who disembarked today - no mention of Covid cases yet. Perhaps someone will start a new thread so additional information does not get lost.

I havent yet seen a new vista thread but will look. I only saw horizon. 

 

I'd still like it confirmed if I'm positive I can drive myself home so really interested how carnival handled these cases. 

[Babr]

27 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I havent yet seen a new vista thread but will look. I only saw horizon. 

 

I'd still like it confirmed if I'm positive I can drive myself home so really interested how carnival handled these cases. 

It was Horizon, not Vista. Sorry. Got mixed up.

I think the ability to drive yourself home would be the same with any Carnival ship since the guidelines for that a set by CDC.

 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Babr

[sailingships]

55 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I'd like to know what's happening with the vista today with the positive pax. Vista is my next cruise so I'd really like to know all the details. ..for carnival. Are they boarding on time, how much extra cleaning, what did they do with positive pax.  .. or will we never know. 

Im wondering what Carnival will do about the cabins they were in. Will new passengers be put in that same cabin for the following cruise or will they be moved so that the cabin can be thoroughly sanitized? 

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, sailingships said:

Im wondering what Carnival will do about the cabins they were in. Will new passengers be put in that same cabin for the following cruise or will they be moved so that the cabin can be thoroughly sanitized? 

The virus is airborne, not cabin borne. The ship is not sick. Every cabin is thoroughly cleaned.

[sailingships]

9 minutes ago, Babr said:

I think the ability to drive yourself home would be the same with any Carnival ship since the guidelines for that a set by CDC.

Does Carnival escort the sick passengers to their car or what? If you have so far to go that you'll have to stop at least once for gas do they just let you go? 600 mile drive passenger wants to know.

[Babr]

Just now, sailingships said:

Does Carnival escort the sick passengers to their car or what? If you have so far to go that you'll have to stop at least once for gas do they just let you go? 600 mile drive passenger wants to know.

I don’t know if it is allowed at all. I was just thinking that the rule would be uniform and not apply to just one ship because the poster was asking about the Vista.

 

It seems that quarantine would be involved for the very reason you mention. Even if a single person were driving himself home a distance away, there would be stops for gas, food, potty breaks - all of which would expose other people. If a family were  driving home together, then everyone in the car is at risk.

 

It remains to be seen how that is handled.

[BlerkOne]

21 minutes ago, sailingships said:

Would you want to be in one of those cabins?

Not a problem.

[Brew12]

24 minutes ago, sailingships said:

Would you want to be in one of those cabins?

My only concern would be if they went overboard (no pun intended) with the sanitizer. The CDC's official stance is that fewer than 1 in 10,000 cases is potentially from a contaminated surface. The EU released a study that reviewed almost 1.5 million cases and found no likely cases of transmission from surfaces. 

Would I want it cleaned? Absolutely. Would I want the air exchanged and disinfected? You bet. Good enough for me. 

There are plenty of good reasons for thorough cleaning, washing hands, using hand sanitizer, and not licking your fingers after using the handrail of a staircase. Preventing the spread of Covid isn't one of them. 

[Babr]

27 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

For those who flew, quarantining at a hotel for 10 days for a disease that makes most vaccinated people feel like they have nothing or symptoms less than the flu is a bit tough.  It's definitely less risky to drive to the port now more than ever.

We have not seen an example yet where someone has been allowed to drive home.  Maybe it has happened, but reports are not common knowledge.

 

The family from the Carnival ship had to quarantine because they had flown to the port. The family from Royal Caribbean was flown directly home from the Bahamas which left their car in a parking garage in Florida. They still don’t have it, and their insurance won’t pay tp retrieve it.

 

So the question about driving yourself to the port and home for itineraries that start and stop in the US is unanswered. 
 

 

[BoozinCroozin]

4 hours ago, firefly333 said:

Maybe no one else cares about the subject of the thread but me. People keep hijacking this left and right.

 

Personally my roll call wants to know what they are doing with the positive pax they take off vista today. 

Its pretty straight forward. They quarantine for 10-days minimum at their own expense. Insurance does not cover it until you file the claim. At that point, the denials start and the finger pointing. The insurance company will tell you alternatives instead of quarantining and will say they won't cover. People are facing very large fees and expenses and in all likelihood will not be reimbursed. Carnival will evac them from a private part of the ship where media, news, and everyone else cannot be in contact with them. Carnival wants none of them able to talk to the media. 

[quickrate]

On 8/4/2021 at 8:09 PM, CruisinMama2003 said:

I was on the Vista on the same dates as you were on the Horizon, and exactly everything you said happened on our cruise as well! Our FB grp is also reporting 9+ positives since returning.

I'm sure we all encounter positive people every day in our daily lives. Positive doesn't always mean sick as  many are asymtomatic.

[firefly333]

13 minutes ago, BoozinCroozin said:

Its pretty straight forward. They quarantine for 10-days minimum at their own expense. Insurance does not cover it until you file the claim. At that point, the denials start and the finger pointing. The insurance company will tell you alternatives instead of quarantining and will say they won't cover. People are facing very large fees and expenses and in all likelihood will not be reimbursed. Carnival will evac them from a private part of the ship where media, news, and everyone else cannot be in contact with them. Carnival wants none of them able to talk to the media. 

I dont think its straight forward at all. Can you say for sure I cant get into my car and drive home?

 

I'm waiting for a real live example of yes or no. This is just your opinion based on what you believe.

 

Im parking close to the port so I can walk to my car and live alone. Im hoping for more than opinions. Guesses. Nothing says we cant drive home that I have read. This is vista out of Galveston a drive to mostly port, not miami.

[Babr]

57 minutes ago, BoozinCroozin said:

Its pretty straight forward. They quarantine for 10-days minimum at their own expense. Insurance does not cover it until you file the claim. At that point, the denials start and the finger pointing. The insurance company will tell you alternatives instead of quarantining and will say they won't cover. People are facing very large fees and expenses and in all likelihood will not be reimbursed. Carnival will evac them from a private part of the ship where media, news, and everyone else cannot be in contact with them. Carnival wants none of them able to talk to the media. 

Assuming that insurance will deny the claim is conjecture on your part. If someone tests positive and is ordered to quarantine, with or without symptoms, that is enough to qualify for benefits. The insurance company can’t tell them they should have done something else at that point.

 

Now, I’m not saying that dealing with insurance is easy. There are lots of forms to fill out and documentation to provide, but that is just part of the process. There are also limits on what the policy will pay in some instances and lists of exclusions. Read and understand the policy before you buy so your expectations are realistic. 
 

I think they disembark people who test positive in a different manner to avoid exposing others in the crowd trying to get off and find their luggage. Of course, they don’t want bad publicity, but I think they are trying to protect the privacy of the patients while limiting exposure of others. The whole idea is to limit spread. There may be unvaccinated children in the crowd or even vaccinated people who could pick it up. The woman who was flown home from the Bahamas reported today that her husband, who was vaccinated, developed pneumonia and had to go to the ER.

 

 

 

[bluesea321]

50 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Do you know what they did with the 4 positive pax and if they drove home or in hotels? 

 

FWIW I offer the following.  Channel 2 Houston, had a TV crew at the Galveston dock when the Vista arrived and interviewed various pax.  No one knew what was done with the COVID positive so they were likely taken off the ship behind the scenes.  However per the TV report some pax were shaken up by the news and decided to get off the ship in Cozumel flying home from there instead of continuing on the ship.