Holland America Line pop quiz

[Alphen]

2 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

The HAL godmothers, and one godfather, as it appears 😉 

 

Current ships:

 

ms Volendam - Chris Everett, tennis star
ms Zaandam - Ashley & Mary Kate Olsen, actresses

ms Zuiderdam - Joan Lunden, broadcaster/TV anchor
ms Oosterdam – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands
ms Westerdam - Renee Soutendijk, Dutch actress
ms Noordam - Marlee Matlin, actress
ms Eurodam – HRH Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands

ms Nieuw Amsterdam – HRH Queen Maxima of the Netherlands

ms Koningsdam – HRH Queen Maxima of the Netherlands

ms Nieuw Statendam – Oprah Winfrey, media mogul, producer, actress and philanthropist

ms Rotterdam VII – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands

 

Former ships:

 

ss Rotterdam I – the spouse of her first master, Captain Hus

ss Maasdam I – the spouse of her first master, Captain Heddes

ss Statendam III – HRH Prince Hendrik of the Netherlands

ms Nieuw Amsterdam II – HRH Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands

ms Statendam IV – HRH Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands

ms Rotterdam V – HRH Queen Juliana of the Netherlands

ss Prinses Margriet -  HRH Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands

ms Prinsendam I – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands

ms Westerdam II – Clara van der Vorm, wife of former HAL Chairman Nico van der Vorm

ms Nieuw Amsterdam III – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands

ms Noordam III – Beatrijs van der Vorm-van den Wall Bake, daughter of former HAL Chairman Nico van der Vorm

ms Statendam V - Lin Arison, wife of Ted Arison, founder of Carnival

ms Ryndam III - Madeleine Arison, wife of Micky Arison, CEO of Carnival

ms Maasdam V - June Allyson, actress
ms Veendam IV - Debbie Reynolds, actress
ms Rotterdam VI – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands

ms Amsterdam III - Janet Lanterman, wife of former HAL CEO
ms Prinsendam II - All employees of HAL represented by Rose Abello, vice president - public relations, Eva Andresen, vice president - information technologies, and Linda Ehlenberger, vice president - sales

 

2 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

To be absolutely correct, Queen Maxima was still Princess, when she became godmother to the Nieuw Amsterdam 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Copper10-8]

40 minutes ago, Alphen said:

The Dutch flag with an anchor centred, meaning that the commanding officer is a Dutch Navy Reserve Officer, commanding a non navy vessel.

 

Down here a picture from the actual flag from Captain P.J. on Zaandam, on our Antarctica cruise in 2015.

 

 

Winner! But somehow I knew you would come up with that one! 😄

 

Both captains Pieter Jan "P.J." van Maurik and Pieter Visser served in the Koninklijke Marine (as did Alphen 😉), the Royal Netherlands Navy and remained in the Royal Netherlands Navy Reserve while serving as HAL captains. 

 

This gave them the right, with permission / a warrant from the Dutch monarch, which has to be requested through official channels, to fly the Royal Netherlands Navy Reserve colors at the stern of the ship they are in command of. That flag is the Dutch tricolor, in the center having a white disk (2/3th of the flag height) with in it a black foul anchor under the royal crown (the emblem of the Royal Netherlands Navy). The flag was adopted by Order in Council on February 28, 1894, lastly confirmed by Order in Council on November 16, 1957. The flag can be flown as national flag on Dutch-registered seagoing merchant ships over 300 gross tons. A copy of the royal decree must be carried on board of the ship the flag is flown on, and may be verified by any Dutch naval vessel (added a couple of pics of Dutch naval vessels with HAL ships) or by a naval port harbor master. There are currently no active RNethNavy reserve officers serving as HAL captains so, as of right now, you will not see those colors being flown  

 

[Copper10-8]

28 minutes ago, Alphen said:

 

 

 

True that! Minor detail 😉 

[Sir PMP]

33 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

The HAL godmothers, and one godfather, as it appears 😉 

 

Current ships:

 

ms Volendam - Chris Everett, tennis star
ms Zaandam - Ashley & Mary Kate Olsen, actresses

ms Zuiderdam - Joan Lunden, broadcaster/TV anchor
ms Oosterdam – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands
ms Westerdam - Renee Soutendijk, Dutch actress
ms Noordam - Marlee Matlin, actress
ms Eurodam – HRH Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands

ms Nieuw Amsterdam – HRH Queen Maxima of the Netherlands

ms Koningsdam – HRH Queen Maxima of the Netherlands

ms Nieuw Statendam – Oprah Winfrey, media mogul, producer, actress and philanthropist

ms Rotterdam VII – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands

 

Former ships:

 

ss Rotterdam I – the spouse of her first master, Captain Hus

ss Maasdam I – the spouse of her first master, Captain Heddes

ss Statendam III – HRH Prince Hendrik of the Netherlands

ms Nieuw Amsterdam II – HRH Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands

ms Statendam IV – HRH Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands

ms Rotterdam V – HRH Queen Juliana of the Netherlands

ss Prinses Margriet -  HRH Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands

ms Prinsendam I – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands

ms Westerdam II – Clara van der Vorm, wife of former HAL Chairman Nico van der Vorm

ms Nieuw Amsterdam III – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands

ms Noordam III – Beatrijs van der Vorm-van den Wall Bake, daughter of former HAL Chairman Nico van der Vorm

ms Statendam V - Lin Arison, wife of Ted Arison, founder of Carnival

ms Ryndam III - Madeleine Arison, wife of Micky Arison, CEO of Carnival

ms Maasdam V - June Allyson, actress
ms Veendam IV - Debbie Reynolds, actress
ms Rotterdam VI – HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands

ms Amsterdam III - Janet Lanterman, wife of former HAL CEO
ms Prinsendam II - All employees of HAL represented by Rose Abello, vice president - public relations, Eva Andresen, vice president - information technologies, and Linda Ehlenberger, vice president - sales

 

Sorry, the ones of Debbie Reynolds and Janet Lanterman were not cooperating 

On the Zuiderdam picture with Lunden, I see Lanterman and Captain Jack van Coevorden.

[Copper10-8]

1 minute ago, Sir PMP said:

On the Zuiderdam picture with Lunden, I see Lanterman and Captain Jack van Coevorden.

 

Smilin ' Captain Jack!  Kirk L., RIP, can also be found in the two with Margriet. Great CEO! 

[Sir PMP]

16 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

Smilin ' Captain Jack!  Kirk L., RIP, can also be found in the two with Margriet. Great CEO! 

Yes, a great CEO and a great captain..

[rkacruiser]

What a walk down memory lane with those photos!  Thanks John!  

[Copper10-8]

So, which individuals onboard constitute the senior management of a HAL ship? 

[chengkp75]

19 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

So, which individuals onboard constitute the senior management of a HAL ship? 

I'll say for NCL it is the Captain, Staff Captain, Chief Engineer, Staff Chief Engineer, and Hotel Director.  Daily meetings at 0800.

[Copper10-8]

13 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

I'll say for NCL it is the Captain, Staff Captain, Chief Engineer, Staff Chief Engineer, and Hotel Director.  Daily meetings at 0800.

Pretty close to HAL with one exception  😉

 

[rafinmd]

31 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

Pretty close to HAL with one exception  😉

 

Plus security officer?

 

Roy

[Copper10-8]

14 minutes ago, rafinmd said:

Plus security officer?

 

Roy

 

Nice, but no, Roy 😉  

 

A hint; with HAL, the staff chief engineer is not part of the ship's senior management. The fifth person's title does end in officer, but not security officer  

[1ANGELCAT]

4 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

Nice, but no, Roy 😉  

 

A hint; with HAL, the staff chief engineer is not part of the ship's senior management. The fifth person's title does end in officer, but not security officer  

Environment and Health Officer. 

[Copper10-8]

42 minutes ago, 1ANGELCAT said:

Environment and Health Officer. 

 

Bang! Winner! Nice job Cat!

 

On HAL, the ship's senior management consists of the captain, staff captain, chief engineer, hotel director and environmental officer (the latter was at one time called the SEH - Safety Environmental Health Officer, but this has since been switched back to E/O)

 

One itinerary where you can see all five together is during the "crossing the equator / King Neptune" ceremony where all five will sit at one end of the pool in judgement (thumbs up, or thumbs down) of crew members who are pollywogs (never crossed the equator before) and are brought before the illustrious quintet  

 

 

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

Nice, but no, Roy 😉  

 

A hint; with HAL, the staff chief engineer is not part of the ship's senior management. The fifth person's title does end in officer, but not security officer  

Interesting.  On NCL, since the Staff Chief is responsible for all equipment maintenance outside the engineering spaces (as well as the day to day supervision of the engine room crew), he and the Hotel Director have the most interaction with issues affecting passenger services.  At the morning meeting, the HD can tell the Staff Chief what complaints have come in overnight, and the Staff Chief can tell the HD whether they have been taken care of, or what the status is.

 

Environmental Officer is a 3-stripe under the Staff Captain.

[Copper10-8]

7 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Interesting.  On NCL, since the Staff Chief is responsible for all equipment maintenance outside the engineering spaces (as well as the day to day supervision of the engine room crew), he and the Hotel Director have the most interaction with issues affecting passenger services.  At the morning meeting, the HD can tell the Staff Chief what complaints have come in overnight, and the Staff Chief can tell the HD whether they have been taken care of, or what the status is.

 

Environmental Officer is a 3-stripe under the Staff Captain.

 

On HAL, the chief engineer has the most input into the functions you mention. The environmental officer is a one-person department who responds directly to the captain and/or his/her superiors in Seattle. It is a 3 1/2-stripe position (3 1/2 gold bars with blue filling)

[Copper10-8]

HAL's four “S” class ships (Statendam, Maasdam, Ryndam and Veendam, all gone now) were all designed with somewhat of a novelty at sea on Main deck and Lower Promenade deck. What could that have been? 😉 

[rafinmd]

A passenger escalator. 

 

Gone before I boarded but I've heard of it.

 

Roy

Edited March 31, 2022 by rafinmd

[Copper10-8]

1 hour ago, rafinmd said:

A passenger escalator. 

 

Gone before I boarded but I've heard of it.

 

Roy

 

 

Awesome Roy! Winner! Yes, all four "S"-class ships came out with a true escalator that ran between Main Deck and LP Deck. The idea behind those "moving staircases" was to offer embarking passengers on Main deck a different option (besides a stairwell and an elevator) to reach their cabins on Lower Promenade deck while getting a glimpse of the ship’s atrium.

 

The escalators were prone to mechanical issues and all four were taken out during dry-dock periods at Freeport, the Bahamas, starting in 2010 with the ships gaining two interior staterooms in their place. Definitely unusual to see a working escalator on a cruise ship though!  

[rafinmd]

I think I've seen a number on ships, maybe even some preceding R-class, but never in passenger areas.  The ones I've seen connect the dining room to the galley and I only see them on galley tours.  The only ones I've seen in passenger areas are on the Oasis class, going up from the gangway used in some ports to the first regular passenger deck.

 

Roy

[Copper10-8]

44 minutes ago, rafinmd said:

I think I've seen a number on ships, maybe even some preceding R-class, but never in passenger areas.  The ones I've seen connect the dining room to the galley and I only see them on galley tours.  The only ones I've seen in passenger areas are on the Oasis class, going up from the gangway used in some ports to the first regular passenger deck.

 

Roy

 

 

Yep, there are most definitely escalators inside the HAL galleys as we speak 😉 

[rkacruiser]

2 hours ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

The escalators were prone to mechanical issues

 

Somewhere, I remember reading that the motion of the ship were a cause--or maybe a part of the cause--for the mechanical issues.  Any knowledge about the truth to that?  

[john2003]

I would assume that on a ship they would have to contend with lateral and upward forces which would not be true on land.

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, rkacruiser said:

 

Somewhere, I remember reading that the motion of the ship were a cause--or maybe a part of the cause--for the mechanical issues.  Any knowledge about the truth to that?  

 

38 minutes ago, john2003 said:

I would assume that on a ship they would have to contend with lateral and upward forces which would not be true on land.

It is more the flexing of the hull structure that affects the mechanism.

[john2003]

Thanks, that makes sense as they span two decks.