Holland America Line pop quiz

[Copper10-8]

So, what was the current Pinnacle Grill on HAL known as when the restaurant first came out on the "R"-class of ships? 

[KAKcruiser]

Odyssea.

[1ANGELCAT]

23 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

So, what was the current Pinnacle Grill on HAL known as when the restaurant first came out on the "R"-class of ships? 

Originally was Marco Polo, then the Odyssey at the Pinnacle.

[Himself]

On 3/18/2022 at 9:19 AM, Copper10-8 said:

 

Good eyes Meneer uit Den Haag! Great captain, one of the best, loved by his crew! Retired March 2018, four years already, Almost forgot, a huuuuuge Formula One racing fan, no doubt ecstatic about the current world champion 😉 

 

cayain Bos was the best, I was sorry to see him retire. 

[Copper10-8]

1 hour ago, 1ANGELCAT said:

Originally was Marco Polo, then the Odyssey at the Pinnacle.

 

Winner once again! Nice job! 🙂 When the first of the "R-class, Rotterdam VI, joined the HAL fleet on November 6, 1997, with her came the "Odyssey," HAL's alternative 88-seat restaurant named after the former first-class dining room on Rotterdam V, and sporting a Venetian look.

 

HAL architect Frans Dingemans strove to create an opulent room reminiscent of a 17^th Century baroque villa in Venice, Italy with black as the basic color and gold-framed mirrors in the ceiling, black and gold columns along the walls, and glass Venetian candelabras in the alcoves. The Odyssey was divided into three intimate areas. An innovative table design with a movable top allowed guests sitting in the banquettes to get in and out of their seats easily and still sit at a comfortable distance when eating. Open for lunch and dinner by reservation at no additional charge at that time 😉, the Odyssey featured “California-style” Italian cuisine such as Scaloppine Di Vitello, Costoletta di Vitello Al Carbone, Petto Di Pollo Rustico, Agnello Aromatico, Filetto Al Barolo, Grigliata Di Mare, Pesce Del Giorno, Pizza Marco and Osso Buco Alla Milanese.

 

The second "R"-class ship, Volendam, debuted on October 15, 1999 and her alternative restaurant was called "Marco Polo", sporting the contemporary pan-European warmth of light beech wood. On her, Frans Dingemans created an artists’ bistro with works by masters Rubens, Rembrandt, Henry Moore, Picasso, Matisse plus a host of unknown talents, each framed in the style of its period. The result was a restaurant that looked as if it evolved over the centuries. Open for lunch and dinner by reservation at no additional charge! 😉, the Marco Polo featured “California-style” Italian cuisine such as Costoletta di Vitello al Carbone; sage and rosemary broiled veal chop, served on sautéed eggplant and peppers with roasted red potatoes; Petto de Pollo Rustico; grilled chicken breast with mushroom, tomato concasee and gorgonzola, served on penne pasta and Osso Buco ala Milanese; braised veal shank in rich red wine sauce with saffron risotto and asparagus. 

 

#3 Zaandam, joined om April 6, 2000 and, like her sister Volendam, her alternative restaurant was called Marco Polo.

 

Lastly, the No. 4 "R"-class ship, Amsterdam, joined HAL on September 28, 2000 and like her older co-flagship Rotterdam, her 88-seat restaurant was initially known as Odyssey

 

For the older "S"-class ships (Statendam, Maasdam, Ryndam and Veendam), the 66-seat Pinnacle Grill restaurant (first time use of that name) was installed during the regularly scheduled dry-docks of the Statendam in Seattle from Sept. 23-Oct. 2, 2002 and on the Ryndam in Seattle from Sept. 27-Oct. 5, 2002. The new 1,800-square-foot restaurant was constructed on the "S"-class ships in space formerly occupied by a portion of the Explorers Lounge, the Kings Room private dining area adjacent to the Rotterdam Dining Room, the Maitre d's office, as well as the small video arcade on Upper Promenade Deck. At that time, there was a charge of $15 per person for dinner at the PG.

 

When HAL acquired Prinsendam II from Seabourn, they sent her to a dry-dock in Charleston, SC on April 29, 2003 where, among others, she gained a new alternative restaurant named "Odyssey," on Lower Promenade Deck, mid-ships, port side, featuring "California-style Italian cuisine" in a Mediterranean décor.  

 

After debuting the new Pinnacle Grill alternative restaurant concept on sister ships ms Statendam and ms Ryndam in October 2002, HAL expanded that restaurant concept to nine additional vessels. The 2003 rollout schedule began with the Volendam in February (renamed from Marco Polo) and continued on the Rotterdam (renamed from Odyssey), Zaandam (renamed from Marco Polo) and the Amsterdam (renamed from Marco Polo) in April; the Prinsendam (renamed from Odyssey) in May and the Maasdam in October. The PG was installed during construction of the Zuiderdam in 2002, and was added to the Oosterdam during that ship's final phase of construction in summer 2003. Lastly, it was added to the Veendam in the spring of 2004.

 

All ships post-Oosterdam came out with the Pinnacle Grill, as we know it currently. 

 

 

 

[Copper10-8]

When the "S" (Statendam, Maasdam, Ryndam and Veendam) and "R" (Rotterdam, Volendam, Zaandam and Amsterdam) ships came out, they each had a dedicated coffee bar. What was the name of it?

[ShipsAreTheBest]

8 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

When the "S" (Statendam, Maasdam, Ryndam and Veendam) and "R" (Rotterdam, Volendam, Zaandam and Amsterdam) ships came out, they each had a dedicated coffee bar. What was the name of it?

Java Cafe

Edited April 2, 2022 by ShipsAreTheBest

[Copper10-8]

6 minutes ago, ShipsAreTheBest said:

Java Cafe

 

Winner! Nice job! The Java Café on the "S" and "R" ships was located right smack across from the entrance to the Wajang Theater when they first appeared on scene. Coffees and snacks were complimentary. Prinsendam II, after coming over from Seabourn, also gained a Java Café, known as the Java Bar and Café on Promenade Deck, mid-ship (see pic).

 

As part of HAL's 'Signature of Excellence program' announced in November 2003, the Java Cafés would disappear and their place across the Wajang was taken by a wine tasting bar and gourmet shop where pax were able to purchase culinary items including china and silverware from the Pinnacle Grill as well as HAL Master Chef’s Rudi Sodamin’s cook books. 

 

The coffee bar concept itself was replaced by the Explorations Café, “powered by the New York Times” and located one deck up

 

Today, on the remaining two "R" ships, Zaandam and Volendam, those wine tasting bars and gourmet shops outside the Wajang - never really successful, were taken over by shore excursions

[rkacruiser]

3 hours ago, Copper10-8 said:

Today, on the remaining two "R" ships, Zaandam and Volendam, those wine tasting bars and gourmet shops outside the Wajang - never really successful, were taken over by shore excursions

 

I do not recognize the photo that you posted.  I never saw anything that looked like that.  I'd appreciate information about the picture, please.  

 

The wine bar area was never used as such on any ship that I sailed that had that concept.  It seemed to me to be more of display area for what wines that were available for the specialty restaurant aft of that area.  

[RuthC]

1 hour ago, rkacruiser said:

I do not recognize the photo that you posted.  I never saw anything that looked like that.  I'd appreciate information about the picture, please.  

That's the Java Café on the Prinsendam. The main entrance from the passageway is to the right. To the left, behind the plants, you may be able to discern the doorway to the Oak Room. It was an annex to the library, and was next to the casino. Very lovely room in which to sit and read, and get a coffee and treat easily. 

[rkacruiser]

51 minutes ago, RuthC said:

That's the Java Café on the Prinsendam. The main entrance from the passageway is to the right. To the left, behind the plants, you may be able to discern the doorway to the Oak Room. It was an annex to the library, and was next to the casino. Very lovely room in which to sit and read, and get a coffee and treat easily. 

 

Thanks, Ruth.  I had not sailed on the Prinsendam when that was in place.  

[Copper10-8]

3 hours ago, rkacruiser said:

 

I do not recognize the photo that you posted.  I never saw anything that looked like that.  I'd appreciate information about the picture, please.  

 

The wine bar area was never used as such on any ship that I sailed that had that concept.  It seemed to me to be more of display area for what wines that were available for the specialty restaurant aft of that area.  

 

Prinsendam's former Java Bar and Café - See bottom of 1st paragraph response / acknowledgment to "ShipsAreTheBest" 

[Copper10-8]

On the average, how often do dam ships go into dry-dock? Not counting emergency repair, what are the two main reasons a dam ship goes "out of the water?"  

[rotjeknor]

39 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

On the average, how often do dam ships go into dry-dock? Not counting emergency repair, what are the two main reasons a dam ship goes "out of the water?"  

Every two years ? Main reasons are cleaning the hull from accumulated growth from shells etc and maintenance to the rudder, screws or azipods.

[chengkp75]

22 minutes ago, rotjeknor said:

Every two years ? Main reasons are cleaning the hull from accumulated growth from shells etc and maintenance to the rudder, screws or azipods.

The exact requirement is "twice in  5 years", with a 6 month window, so 21-28 months.  The second drydock in the 5 year interval cannot exceed 5 years from the drydock 5 years previous.

[Copper10-8]

35 minutes ago, rotjeknor said:

Every two years ? Main reasons are cleaning the hull from accumulated growth from shells etc and maintenance to the rudder, screws or azipods.

 

10 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

The exact requirement is "twice in  5 years", with a 6 month window, so 21-28 months.  The second drydock in the 5 year interval cannot exceed 5 years from the drydock 5 years previous.

 

Thanx for the regs, Cheng! HAL ships usually go into dry dock every 2 ½ to 3 yrs / 30-36 months for inspection and service below the waist, I mean waterline. Prior to Covid, on the average, HAL was dry-docking five to six ships a year. The ships go for:

 

#1 Standard maintenance & upkeep, or

#2 Upgrades, enhancements & new features

[chengkp75]

10 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

Thanx for the regs, Cheng! HAL ships usually go into dry dock every 2 ½ to 3 yrs / 30-36 months for inspection and service below the waist, I mean waterline. Prior to Covid, on the average, HAL was dry-docking five to six ships a year.

Sorry, John, math not my strong point today.  My statement should have been 27-33 months.

[rafinmd]

I assume that's the Grand Dame in one of the photos.

 

Roy

[rkacruiser]

2 hours ago, rafinmd said:

I assume that's the Grand Dame in one of the photos.

 

Roy

 

Yes! 

[Copper10-8]

12 hours ago, rafinmd said:

I assume that's the Grand Dame in one of the photos.

 

Roy

 

 

Yep, #7 and #8 - She's a classy lady! 

[rotjeknor]

Question:

When en where ( nope , not the daily program..) was the last time the Nieuw Amsterdam II and the Rotterdam V were docked at the same quay?  

[rkacruiser]

2 hours ago, rotjeknor said:

Question:

When en where ( nope , not the daily program..) was the last time the Nieuw Amsterdam II and the Rotterdam V were docked at the same quay?  

 

 I know this happened August, 1971 at Pier 40 in New York because I was on Rotterdam V when Nieuw Amsterdam II had arrived before us from a trans-Atlantic crossing.  I suspect it has happened at the quay in Rotterdam, but don't have any idea when.  

[rotjeknor]

12 hours ago, rkacruiser said:

 

 I know this happened August, 1971 at Pier 40 in New York because I was on Rotterdam V when Nieuw Amsterdam II had arrived before us from a trans-Atlantic crossing.  I suspect it has happened at the quay in Rotterdam, but don't have any idea when.  

It happened in the fall of 1973 when both the Rotterdam and the Nieuw Amsterdam were

 at the Lisnave shipyard in Lissabon. The Rotterdam lost her grey hull there and was repainted dark blue. 
I read this in a recently acquired book “ Non Illegitimus Carborundum “ , memories of an engineer who worked for the HAL for 23 years.

The last time that the Rotterdam left Rotterdam for a classic TA was October 71 , the Nieuw Amsterdam followed in nov 1971 . Being the last HAL ship to do so. I was on the pier, my father was Chief Engineer onboard.

[rkacruiser]

15 hours ago, rotjeknor said:

The last time that the Rotterdam left Rotterdam for a classic TA was October 71 , the Nieuw Amsterdam followed in nov 1971

 

Thanks.  I was not aware of the date of the Rotterdam's final classic TA.  The date for Nieuw Amsterdam's final classic TA does ring a bell in my memory.  While I never sailed on Nieuw Amsterdam, I was able to visit her prior to her sailing after I disembarked Rotterdam V.  A classic beauty; the beautiful dining room; the Jungle Bar (which I remember was significant because it seemed rather dark).  

[rotjeknor]

There's a beautiful book called the Photographic History of the SS Nieuw Amsterdam by Nico Guns.

It's 750 pages of just pictures of the inside and outside and explanatory text. You can order it at www.gbooksinternational.nl  . I have no association with the publisher , but they have a great collection of maritime books and publications!