Ncl pearl

[GEMarshall]

17 hours ago, sullyd said:

Saw a YouTube video they hit a fishing boat around 330 am his morning?
 

 

 

The fishing boat did the equivalent of running a red light and hit the Pearl who was in the intersection with a green light because the Pearl was hit in the left rear. Here are the rules of the road for motor boats: 1. If another vessel is approaching you from the port — or left — side of your boat, you have the right of way and should maintain your speed and direction. 2. If a vessel is aiming to cross your path and they're on your starboard — or right — side, they have the right of way.

[fox02554]

19 hours ago, sullyd said:

Saw a YouTube video they hit a fishing boat around 330 am his morning?
 

 

anybody interested in the local take https://www.nantucketcurrent.com/fishing-vessel-collides-with-cruise-ship-off-nantucket?fbclid=IwAR2CTPCyhK-0cNZiNR7qQFAd0QQx4EfUCexXsnqpoXf2QqE7filbmvr3coU

[roger001]

Hard to figure how  the Pearl's radar and the radar's collision alarm system didn't see the fishing boat.  It is pretty good size.  You  know that was a major surprise to the fishing boat crew.  

Edited July 31, 2022 by roger001

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1 minute ago, roger001 said:

Hard to figure how  the Pearl's radar and the radar's collision alarm system didn't see the fishing boat.  It is pretty good size.  You  know that was a major surprise to the fishing boat crew.  

That depends on the speed at which that fishing boat was traveling.  It's also possible the fishing boat had NOT been on a collision course with the Pearl and then experienced a mechanical malfunction that caused the collision.  Also, considering where the fishing vessel struck the Pearl (based on reports) it's possible the radar didn't pick it up, and it was not the responsibility of the Pearl to take evasive action.

 

It's not like the fishing boat couldn't see the cruise ship, there would have had to be significant fog in the area for THAT to happen.

[ChiefMateJRK]

17 hours ago, HBCcruiser said:

My exact question. 🧐

How did the Exxon Valdez happen with all the modern equipment? 🐀

[HBCcruiser]

13 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said:

How did the Exxon Valdez happen with all the modern equipment? 🐀

True that! 👍🐀

[jimsig]

I know this is a "my friend saw some who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night" thing but...  My dad talked to someone he knows in Menemsha on Martha's Vineyard who knows someone at the CG their.  He was told the Pearl did everything they could to avoid a collision.  They tried radioing the FV but they would not answer.  The Pearl could not turn to the port as there was a near by shoal and they would have run the risk of running aground and of course turning to Starboard they would have hit the FV.  

 

Maybe whoever was at the helm of the FV fell asleep??

[CWMixer]

1 hour ago, jimsig said:

I know this is a "my friend saw some who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night" thing but...  My dad talked to someone he knows in Menemsha on Martha's Vineyard who knows someone at the CG their.  He was told the Pearl did everything they could to avoid a collision.  They tried radioing the FV but they would not answer.  The Pearl could not turn to the port as there was a near by shoal and they would have run the risk of running aground and of course turning to Starboard they would have hit the FV.  

 

Maybe whoever was at the helm of the FV fell asleep??

Someone falling asleep while on watch was my first thought when I read this, and seems more plausible based on your comments (seems to happen on Deadliest Catch a lot, especially to greenhorns).  It’ll be interesting to see what the investigation shows as the cause.

[jcann4444]

Boston Globe article

 

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2022/07/31/fishing-boat-hits-cruise-ship-nantucket-norwegian-pearl-gabby-g/?p1=hp_secondary

[chengkp75]

Okay, just saw this thread.  The Pearl likely did see the fishing boat, but regardless of which vessel "was on the right" (as another poster said), the Pearl is a "vessel constrained by its draft" with a shoal nearby, and the fishing boat was not engaged in fishing, so it did not have the right of way.  The Pearl's ECDIS showed a collision course, and they tried to contact the fishing boat.  Likely the Pearl turned away at the last moment (this is what caused the heel, not the impact, as the damage to the fishing boat was minor and a boat that size would hardly be felt even if the Pearl did "run over it".  As the damage to the boat was above the waterline (tip of its bow), the damage to the Pearl would also be above the waterline, and visible, to give an indication whether it was safe to sail or not.  The incident was reported to the USCG, the visible damage reported, a survey for flooding also reported (I'm sure), and the USCG allowed the ship to proceed.  There is also a radar "blind spot" on all ships at the bow, where the bow of the ship interferes with both the radar waves and the visibility from the bridge, and small boats will "disappear" into this zone (on the Pearl, probably 200-300 feet forward of the bow), and the bridge team will hold their breath hoping to see the boat come out the other side of the bow.

 

Ships hid small boats, or capsize them with the bow wave, all the time.  It comes about when the boat operators have no clue about the "rules of the road", and how difficult it is to stop or change course for a large ship compared to a small boat.  Probably the worst are sailboaters (and I sail) who think they know the rules, and that sail "always" has right of way over power, but don't know about the inability of ships to alter course (channels, etc), and force their right of way, resulting in many crossing the bow of a freighter in the "blind zone" (which on large freighters can be up to a half mile).

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5 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

There is also a radar "blind spot" on all ships at the bow, where the bow of the ship interferes with both the radar waves and the visibility from the bridge, and small boats will "disappear" into this zone (on the Pearl, probably 200-300 feet forward of the bow),

I had a feeling there was a "blind spot", and had a comment about that in my first reply but I think I removed it as I wasn't sure of the accuracy of such a comment. Thanks for verifying my thoughts.

[bluesea777]

This appeared in our local newspaper today ....

 

Fishing boat collides with Bermuda-bound cruise ship - The Royal Gazette | Bermuda News, Business, Sports, Events, & Community |

 

And Pearl is sitting looking pretty at Kings Wharf across the water from me.

 

 

[sullyd]

I’ve been on Bermuda cruises several times and every time it has been foggy fog horn blows every 60 seconds (at least) that fishing boat is not little 40’ never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that could happen with  both having radar . Some body screwed up . It’s very scary to think another boat could get that close especially in this crazy world we live in. 

[YVRteacher]

[chengkp75]

4 hours ago, sullyd said:

It’s very scary to think another boat could get that close especially in this crazy world we live in.

Why do you think the USCG randomly escorts cruise ships out to the sea buoy using a Zodiac with a machine gun on it?

[chengkp75]

4 hours ago, sullyd said:

I’ve been on Bermuda cruises several times and every time it has been foggy fog horn blows every 60 seconds (at least) that fishing boat is not little 40’

Trust me, the fog horn was going.  And, to a 900' cruise ship, a 40' fishing boat is a speed bump.  Typically, the Captain sets his night orders, listing an "allowable CPA" (closest point of approach), but this is typically 1/2 mile if the ship is free to maneuver, a mile if constrained.  And a boat doing even 10 knots will close that CPA of one mile in just 6 minutes.

[Sea Dog]

@chengkp75 Thanks it is so valuable having you here and your expertise.

[BirdTravels]

On 7/31/2022 at 1:22 PM, ChiefMateJRK said:

How did the Exxon Valdez happen with all the modern equipment? 🐀

It hit a reef, under the water, a well known hazard in the area

 

Oh yeah,,, something about yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

Edited August 1, 2022 by BirdTravels

[chengkp75]

On 7/31/2022 at 1:22 PM, ChiefMateJRK said:

How did the Exxon Valdez happen with all the modern equipment? 🐀

 

5 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

It hit a reef, under the water, a well known hazard in the area

An inexperienced helmsman and an inexperienced and inattentive 3rd Mate, who was the real culprit, but who turned state's witness and got away.

[GEMarshall]

On 7/31/2022 at 1:00 PM, roger001 said:

Hard to figure how  the Pearl's radar and the radar's collision alarm system didn't see the fishing boat.  It is pretty good size.  You  know that was a major surprise to the fishing boat crew.  

 

I looked at all of the articles on this topic and they said that the fishing boat was returning to port after fishing.  It is likely they were tired and all and mistakes happen....  The only way that the Pearl should have tried to avoid this 69' fishing boat was if the boat was fishing.  The fact that the Pearl was hit on her port side, she had the responsibility to maintain her course so that the boat on her left would have been able to keep clear.  

 

The captain I knew from the Pearl when I was on her off and on between August 2018 and October 2019, got offended if he got black tire marks on his white hull from the Panama Canal so he would have been very upset with his ship being scratched or dented.  He retired shortly after we completed the October 2019 transAtlantic and then the Captain who had been working on the opposite 'shift' from the Captain I knew moved to the Scarlet Lady in 2021 so I've never met the current Pearl captain, but I'm still certain that Pearl was doing the right thing but could easily understand how the fishing boat could have messed up if they were preoccupied with securing their catch or just plain tired from being out working too long.